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Podcast 583: Dehumidification vs. Ventilation, Downsides of Advanced Framing, and Ducting Heat-Pump Water Heaters

Gas stoves, tool batteries, material prices, controlling humidity in efficient homes, advanced framing, and ducted heat-pump water heaters.

By Patrick McCombe, Mark Petersen, Samantha Maver
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      Brian has more data on gas stove pollutants. Francis doesn’t believe tool batteries talk to tools and chargers. Doug liked hearing about Mark’s new house. Evan needs a better HVAC tech. Mark wonders about downsides to advanced framing. Ed wants to duct his heat-pump water heater.


       

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      Listener Feedback 1:

       

      BT writes: Hi FHB crew. I just finished episode #575 and wanted to chime in on the last segment about venting stoves. Ian didn’t like the NYT article, and I understood his point that we should compare against the pollution emitted by non-combusting appliances. Lucky for us that research is emerging. Here’s an NPR story summarizing a recent study that sought to measure whether benzene emissions came from the combustion heat source or from the food being cooked.

      Researchers also tested whether cooking food—pan-frying salmon or bacon—emits benzene, but they found all the pollution came from the gas and not the food. That’s important because the gas industry often deflects concern about pollution from its fuel to breathing problems that can be triggered by cooking fumes.

      So basically, they made dinner on combustion stoves and induction stoves, and only the combustion stoves emitted benzene. The researchers also looked into whether hood fans meaningfully vent the benzene. My takeaway is that ventilation reduced the benzene some, but ventilation wasn’t a true difference-maker.

      Love the show! Hope this info is helpful.

      Related Links:

      • Breathe Easy With the Right Range Hood
      • GBA.com: The Two Main Flaws With Kitchen Ventilation
      • GBA.com: Are Gas Stoves Bad for Your Health?

       

       


       

      Listener Feedback 2:

       

      YouTube Francis writes: There are only two pins on every battery tool that I have seen. These two pins are DC and have no communication. Only the charger has more than two pins.

      Patrick's battery pack
      Patrick's battery pack
      Patrick's battery pack

       

       

       


       

      Listener Feedback 3:

       

      Doug from CO writes: Hi all,

      I enjoyed Mark’s tale of building his new house (571 Aftershow). Anyone who has gone through the process of doing your own building can relate. I was dismayed at the materials cost he experienced. In the summer of 2010 when I was ready to sheath my roof, I was upset because 5/8 OSB had jumped to $13 a sheet. That seems like quite a bargain now. Having moved in long before the house was finished, I would say to Mark…It will all be done someday.

      Doug

       

       

       


       

      Question 1: What is the best ventilation system for high-humidity zones?

       

      Evan Bache-Wiig writes: Hello FHB team,

      I really enjoyed your discussion about ventilation. It’s a huge topic that’s largely misunderstood by homeowners and professionals alike, and I’m struggling to find professionals in the HVAC industry that are knowledgeable, capable, and willing to help consumers.

      They’re so swamped with regular business that they often don’t have the time to dedicate to educating and helping consumers over the long term when they are trying to retrofit ventilation and solve IAQ problems.

      I was talking to a custom home builder friend this week who pulled out his ERVs because of humidity issues in his new tightly built house and replaced them with ventilating dehumidifiers to manage the climate zone 3A humidity.

      We were wondering if our local industry is a bit misguided in promoting ERVs given how much humidity our houses have to deal with here in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area. It seems to me that ventilating dehumidifiers are the best/only way to go. What are the problems with using a ventilating dehumidifier, which is putting the house under positive pressure rather than the balanced ventilation of an ERV?

      I would love to hear y’all thoughts on balanced ventilation with an ERV versus a ventilating dehumidifier for my climate zone and those similar.

      As an aside, I often talk about the importance of ventilation with my clients, but it’s hard to sell the idea to them of a system that is going to cost multiple thousands of dollars when they have no obvious health effects. How should we as industry professionals talk about ventilation with consumers?

      Keep up the great show!

      Evan Bache-Wiig
      All Mold Pro
      Dallas, Texas

      Related Links:

      • Dedicated Dehumidification
      • Indoor-Air Quality and Ventilation in Hot-Humid Climates
      • Breathe Easy with Balanced Ventilation

       

       


       

      Question 2: Are there disadvantages to advanced framing?

       

      Marc writes: Hi Podcast Team,

      Over the years, I’ve seen numerous articles and references on the show to the advantages of using advanced framing techniques. I wonder if there are hidden problems or risks of potential problems or risks as a homeowner starts modifying the building later on. For example, putting in a larger window on the second floor changes the load path down to the first floor. My guess is that there are many out there who would make a change like that without consulting an engineer or investigating how the floor below has been framed.

      Also, with less framing in the walls and around openings, how are people installing trim, hanging curtain rods for drapes, and anchoring things securely to walls when studs are more scarce? Even 16-in. spacing makes that a challenge at times. Where you might catch one stud for a TV wall bracket with a conventionally framed house, you may only have Sheetrock in the advanced-framed house.

      Maybe I’m overthinking it and it is not a problem. I’m sure it’s not a problem for me because I’m in an old house with its own bundle of eccentricities!

      Related Links:

      • Expert Session: All About Advanced Framing
      • Advanced Wall Framing
      • GBA.com: The Pros and Cons of Advanced Framing

       

       


       

      Question 3: Can I add ducting to the heat-pump water heater for heating and cooling my house?

       

      Ed writes: Hi FHB podcast crew,

      I look forward to your weekly podcasts, special podcasts, and aftershow podcasts.  Thanks for all the invaluable information on residential construction and enhancements!  As a retired engineer—and now part-time handyman—I enjoy the discussions on a wide variety of topics in your shows.

      I installed a heat-pump water heater last summer, when my 35-year-old, oil-fired boiler “bit the dust,” and I decided to no longer heat my domestic hot water with the coil in my boiler. Thus far, the experience with the water heater has been very positive, especially with the $1,000 instant rebate that defrayed the initial costs.

      Thanks to the heat-pump water heater, my basement remains quite cool and dry due to the cooling and dehumidification, and I no longer run a dehumidifier—at least to this point in the year (the last week of June in Dutchess County, NY).

      Do you have any recommendations regarding the ducting of intake and exhaust from the water heater to cool the upstairs of my home in summer? Also, for the winter months, any thoughts and recommendations regarding ducting schemes?

      I should mention that for AC I just use window units. I am thinking about installing a heat pump or two, but want to learn more about HVAC and make my log home (Patrick’s favorite) more energy efficient, in order to properly size a heating and cooling solution for my house in the not-too-distant future.

      Regards…Ed

      Related Links:

      • Planning a Furnace-to-Ducted Heat Pump Retrofit
      • Top 10 Water-Heater Code Violations
      • A Geothermal Heat Pump Takes Care of Heating and Cooling

       

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