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The Fine Homebuilding Podcast

Podcast 609: Flashing a Metal Building, Energy Retrofits, and Siting a House

The crew hears from listeners about major additions, common house problems by vintage, and network cables for LED lighting.

By Patrick McCombe, Ian Schwandt, Matthew O’Malia
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Podcast 609: Flashing a Metal Building, Energy Retrofits, and Siting a House (site)
The crew hears from listeners about major additions, common house problems by vintage, and network cables for LED lighting.
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      Peter’s DIY addition appears on Google Street View. Ed shares a chart of common house problems. A listener says ethernet cables are not for lighting. Evan asks for help flashing the bottom of a metal building.  Listeners email about energy retrofits and siting new houses.

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      Listener Feedback 1:

      Peter's addition on Google Maps.
      Peter’s addition on Google Maps.

      Peter writes: Hello FHB Podcast!

      I just pulled into the driveway here at my house after checking out some rigid insulation options on a rainy day while listening to the FHB podcast, and the maps app showed me that I have a new street view image of our Boston-area 1951 cape-style house when I pulled in! I thought you all would find it amusing. It captured the mono-poured ICF foundation (which is insanely DIY friendly IMO, if you have well-fed, experienced help for the pour) and concrete-free slab base material before framing started a month ago. I’m a video editor by profession, but I do a DIY building project every so often…. this one is the nuttiest one yet. Massachusetts has a new stretch energy code adopted by some towns for certain-sized projects that our original 2100-sq.-ft. plan triggered (additions larger than 1000 sq. ft. in this case). The stretch code requires a HERS 52 combining the new AND existing structures (imagine solving that if you weren’t planning to touch the existing structure of our old housing stock). So, we scaled the project back to 985 sq. ft. to not trigger the code, but we’d still retrofit and electrify the house, shoot for the HERS 52, keep all the aspects of a Pretty Good House, try to get my ACH 10.75 down to something more like a 1 (HERS needs a 4 but why stop there right??), repent for my previous building sins, and—most important—try to build a healthier and more comfortable house for my family. Thanks for everything you put out there and for all the building details I’m using. I couldn’t do it without you all!

      I suppose since I’m already sending this email, I might as well include the design/plans I made and some progress pics, too. Maybe this is interesting to someone else out there… or maybe not!

      Peter's addition
      Peter's addition
      Peter's addition
      Peter's addition
      Peter's addition
      Peter's addition
      Peter's addition
      Peter's addition
      Peter's addition

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      Listener Feedback 2:

      summary chart in the October/November issue of Family Handyman.
      Summary chart in the October/November issue of Family Handyman.

      Ed writes: Dear Patrick and Fine Homebuilding podcast crew,

      As you discussed problems with homes or rental properties and the importance of having knowledgeable home inspections, I thought of this summary chart and the companion article in the October/November issue of Family Handyman.

      FYI…Ed (A loyal podcast listener and All Access member)

      Related Links:

      • Ten Tips From a Home Inspector
      • Inspecting Old Houses: An Overview
      • PRO TALK With Home Inspector Paul Barraza

       

       

       


      Listener Feedback 3:

      A listener writes:

      23-gauge Ethernet cables and connectors are not sufficient for the amps needed for most LED light fixtures. We should always follow manufacturers’ instructions, which is the default NEC requirement.


      Question 1: Do metal buildings require traditional flashing?

      Evan Bache-Wiig writes: Hello Fine Homebuilding team!

      A client of mine has a 2020 slab-on-grade metal shop building that has moisture coming in around the perimeter. It looks like the slab flashing (is that what it is called?) is sloped toward the building and directing water inside as it flows down the outside wall.

      Evan metal shop building
      Evan metal shop building
      Evan metal shop building
      Evan metal shop building
      Evan metal shop building

      I think the walls are sheet metal, with metal framing and fiberglass batts, which are not conducive to mold growth (the client’s concern), but her air samples did come back elevated.

      To rectify the source moisture issue, I thought about sealing around the outside perimeter of the exterior wall, but that seems like a bad idea since water would have nowhere to go but into the building. Am I thinking about this the wrong way? Do metal buildings require a drainage plane/weep area at the bottom of the wall, or can I simply caulk the exterior?

      Thanks for the help!

      Related Links:

      • Choosing Standing-Seam Metal for Roof and Wall Cladding
      • Video: What You Need to Know About Installing Steel Siding

      Question 2: Are deep energy retrofits worth it?

      A listener writes about deep energy retrofits: Hi Podcast team,

      I’ve heard some controversy amongst the energy wonks recently on the subject of deep energy retrofits. Some say they have long paybacks and question if the embodied carbon makes them worth the effort and environmental impact. Others say that climate change from greenhouse gases means that we must do whatever possible to improve the performance of our housing stock as soon as we can. What do you all think?

      Related Links:

      • What is a Deep Energy Retrofit?
      • The End of Deep Energy Retrofits?
      • Deep Energy Retrofit Dropout

      Question 3: What are the considerations when siting a house?

      A listener writes about siting a house: 

      I have never heard anyone on the podcast talk about siting a home. Most designers say to try for south-facing roofs for solar panels, but are there reasons to site in another direction? Are there other considerations? What if you have a great view another way?

      Ian's sunrise siting house
      Ian's sunrise siting house
      Ian's sunrise siting house

      Related Links:

      • GBA.com: Siting with the Sun, Passive Heating and Daylighting
      • 7 Ways to Tie Home to Land
      • There’s No Such Thing as a Perfect Building Site

      Podcast 609: Members-only Aftershow — Building Business With Timber HP President Matt O’Malia

      The crew talks to Matt about his entrepreneurial nature and what it’s like starting a wood-fiber insulation company in the wilds of Maine.

      Podcast 609: Members-only Aftershow — Building Business With Timber HP President Matt O’Malia


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