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08 NEC

DaveRicheson | Posted in General Discussion on October 9, 2007 04:49am

Lots of changes coming in 08 that are going to add significant cost for electrical contractors and builders in new residential construction.

In addition to the total AFCI requirements, there is lurker in article 406.11. This one requires that all 125v, 15a and 20a circuits covered under article 210.52 be tamper proof.

Not a break the bank type item, but if not installed, could get a red tag, resulting in time delays and additional material/labor cost while everything is reworked.

We covered a whole lot of changes in class last night. So many that it is hard to remember them all. It is going to take a few months to get up to speed.

Here in KY the 2008 NEC will most likely be adopted in mid January. Any permits pulled after the adoption date will need to be in compliance. Quoting a job that is to start  next year is going to be difficult  because material cost will change as the compliance date approaches.

 

I would like to see FHB do a heads up article on the changes that will have the most impact on residential building.

Meanwhile, even though I’m not a residential electrician, I’m going to purchase the handbook. Might help be better understand the changes.

 

Dave

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    BillHartmann | Oct 09, 2007 05:18pm | #1

    "In addition to the total AFCI requirements, there is lurker in article 406.11. This one requires that all 125v, 15a and 20a circuits covered under article 210.52 be tamper proof."

    Circuit?

    Maybe Receptacles?

    As I first read that I was wonder what in the h*ll is a tamper proof circuit.

    Then I remember that 210.52 covers the nubmer and placement of Required Receptacles.

    And I remember reading that there was discussion of requiring child resistant receptacles.

    BTW, I wonder exactly how it is worded.

    as 210.52 covers required receptacles you could, for example, put them every 6 ft in bedroom and only 1/2 of then would need to be child resistant.

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    A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
    1. DaveRicheson | Oct 10, 2007 01:23pm | #5

      BTW, I wonder exactly how it is worded

       

      406.11 Tamper-Resistant Recptacles in Dwelling Units. In all areas specified in 210.52, all 125-volt, 15-and 20-amp receptacles shall be tamper-resistant recptacles.

      Short and sweet

      The way it reads , that is every recptacle in the house, including the appliance circuite recepacles in the kitchen.

      Now how jurisdictions or inspectors choose to include and inforce that article is a crapshoot. It sure had a lot of heads shaking the other night.

      The new code book has changes high lighted so they kind of catch your eye as you look through  the book. The lions share of them seem to be in the areas that cover new residential construction.

       

      Dave

      1. edlee | Oct 12, 2007 01:29am | #6

        The older I get the more I resist all these changes.  It's always in the direction of more restrictions and tighter requirements. 

        How did we survive all this time without a separate netrual and ground at our dryers?  Or with 6'  cords on our kitchen appliances? 

        Those were crazy days.

        Tamper-proof receptacles everywhere?  They've got to be kidding.

        Ed

         

      2. MSA1 | Oct 12, 2007 01:54am | #7

        When are they going to start enforcing minimum requirements for feathers on the subfloors and rounded cornerbead?

        I almost forgot the new requirement for all non-bearing bricks to be made of sponge.

  2. DanH | Oct 09, 2007 11:12pm | #2

    What, pray tell, is article 210.52? And what does "tamper proof" mean?

    If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader
    1. DaveRicheson | Oct 10, 2007 01:09pm | #3

      Bill got the article 210.52 right. It covers dwelling unit receptacles.

      Tamper proof recptacles have those quarter turn covers  over the slots. You see them on those cheepo extension cords at wally wolrd, but they are also available on standard 15 and 20 amp duplex recptacles.

       

      Dave

      1. DanH | Oct 10, 2007 01:16pm | #4

        OK, that only a minor PITA. Worst part is trying to find them in a quality device, vs the 17-cent units (only marked up to $3.00 due to the new feechur).
        If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader

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        Matt | Oct 12, 2007 04:22am | #8

        >> Tamper-Resistant Receptacles <<  Look at all that money we are spending doing our best to raise a new generation of DAes.  When I was about 5yo for the cost of a simple paper clip I learned the hard way not to tamper with outlets.  :-)  What is this world coming to? :-)

        1. DanH | Oct 12, 2007 04:47am | #9

          If some manufacturer today invented the current parallel-prong outlet it would be considered criminally unsafe.
          If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader

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    Gunner | Oct 12, 2007 06:14am | #10

       Groan. I love code change years.  If it's mostly residential then I don't really care.   I mean I do, but I don't. You know what I'm saying. A buddy of mine that does mainly residential is doing the 8 hour class Saturday. He'll be in a great mood when he gets out. LOL

      I had good intentions of getting in on that class with you but both times so far I've been out of town. I'm going to be traveling more the rest of this year too so doubt I'll make any. I probably can't start in the middle anyway. I'll just wait until Febuary and do the whole day at IEC.

     

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    "I tell you, We are here on earth to fart around, and don't let anybody tell you any different."  Kurt Vonnegut jr.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5MG1ZfFiZ8&mode=related&search=  Mercy now

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