FHB Logo Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter X Instagram Tiktok YouTube Plus Icon Close Icon Navigation Search Icon Navigation Search Icon Arrow Down Icon Video Guide Icon Article Guide Icon Modal Close Icon Guide Search Icon Skip to content
Subscribe
Log In
  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Restoration
  • Videos
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House
  • Podcast
Log In

Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

9/0 ceilings and header heights

| Posted in General Discussion on November 9, 2002 06:03am

I have something on my drawing board, and I am wondering how it might play out in reality.  9/0 ceilings on the second floor, all bedrooms and baths.  Window headers have windows up with their tops in the 8/0 range, and the windows, all double hungs, come down to about 36″ off the floor.  Using “standard” 80″ doors, door heads will be nominally 28″ down from ceilings versus windows at about 12″.  How will this look and feel?  If you have been doing a lot with 9-foot ceilings lately, please comment.

Reply
  • X
  • facebook
  • linkedin
  • pinterest
  • email
  • add to favorites Log in or Sign up to save your favorite articles

Replies

  1. FrankB89 | Nov 09, 2002 06:12am | #1

    There's been a thread here lately about door and window heights you might look for...last week or so.

    Transom windows over the doors are an option or a decorative detail.

     

  2. Catskinner | Nov 09, 2002 06:41pm | #2

    It works well as long as all the proportions in the room are appropriate. We just did some 12' and 10' ceilings, some windows with transoms, some not, and it looks great.

    DRC

  3. Brudoggie | Nov 09, 2002 08:03pm | #3

    I like to use transoms, so the horizontal mullion is at the same level as the top of the doors. Gives some continuity, but it depends on the style of house.

     Brudoggie

    1. Boxduh | Nov 10, 2002 03:59am | #4

      Here is an overhead view of my second floor.  The MBR suite is two 6" steps up from the hallway area adjacent, and has 8/0 ceilings with a tray vault up to 9/0 in the MBR.  You can see the BR1, BR2, and BR3 rooms, and bath, all with the high windows and shorter doors, ceilings being at 9/0 in those spaces.  I don't plan horizontal trim lines at window or door heads, and this pic makes me think I'm OK with the concept.  Comments?

      1. Piffin | Nov 10, 2002 09:01am | #6

        Are you sure you can get the sheqar bracing you need with so many windows tucked tight to the corners?.

        Excellence is its own reward!

        "The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are." --Marcus Aurelius

        1. Boxduh | Nov 10, 2002 03:03pm | #7

          Who knows, Piffin?  These architects all must think that the wind never blows, that the life of the house will be lived in conditions that look like the photos in the magazines.  I have done two before like this from architect's plans, both having banks of windows coming tight to corners.  Their drawings in both cases showed stud corners at stud widths, allowing for no jacks.  We built them, and they are still standing, and the first has experienced some microburst storms with quite heavy winds.  I poked around looking for cracks in the drywall that might have indicated racking, but haven't seen any so far.  I am a structural engineer, and of course have concerns.  But everyone likes that Frank Lloyd Wright look, lotsa glass, minimal posts.  This current project in planning is a house by a Newport, RI, architect, and was originally framed up with 2x4s.  It has been standing for a few years now.  We have to frame with 2x6s here.  They get any storms down Newport way?

          1. Piffin | Nov 10, 2002 08:18pm | #8

            I'm up the coast in Maine a few hundred miles from there and we get 80 - 90 MPH winds once or twice a year so it wouldn't suprise me..

            Excellence is its own reward!

            "The first rule is to keep an untroubled spirit. The second is to look things in the face and know them for what they are." --Marcus Aurelius

        2. Bruce | Nov 12, 2002 12:10am | #13

          Our area sees winds of 70 or so occasionally, and the local officials have no problem w/ corner windows, using a 4x4 as the corner post.  I trimmed out one such (an architect's own house) last year, and liked the look enough to do it in my own new house.  Shear loading doesn't appear to be an issue, though in the case of my house, it may help that I have a steel substructure to support four Fallingwater-like cantilevers.  Code-wise, we're still under UBC 97, if that makes a difference. 

  4. kennedy136 | Nov 10, 2002 06:55am | #5

    Gene,

               You have some good advice in the preceding posts, however let me make a suggestion providing your budget can handle it.  Use 8' doors.  I did a high-end home that way and it really looks sharp.  It is definitely more expensive for the doors though as they usually need to be upgraded from 1 3/8" to 1 3/4" , an extra hinge is required, they are not run of the mill production items etc.  If  you can afford it though it is the way to go.

                                                                             Mark

                                                                            

  5. archyII | Nov 11, 2002 02:38am | #9

    My first house, a 1929 bunglow, had 8' window heads and 7' door heads.  It looked fine.  A more traditional craftsman style bunglow would have aligned door and window heads and used a moulding running around the room that connected all of the heads. 

    1. JohnSprung | Nov 11, 2002 11:37pm | #12

      My 1926 house has 9' ceilings, and a big decorative cornice and picture rail all around.  Windows and doors are at the usual 7' level, and the cornice keeps it from looking like there's too much wall above them.  It also makes a nice big space to run conduit without hacking up the top plates.

      -- J.S.

  6. caldwellbob | Nov 11, 2002 08:00am | #10

    I frame for a couple high end contractors here in Idaho who use 9 ft. ceilings quite a bit. The popular window of the moment seems to be a 3x5 or 3x6. These contractors usually have me place the window top closer to 7 ft. It makes it easier to run 24 inch eaves without crowding the window to the soffit. The roof pitches are generally 6/12 to 8/12. We are not exactly in a banana belt, but the climate is moderate. The contractors in this area use 7/16 OSB for sub-siding all over the house, so putting large amounts of windows doesn't seem to affect the shear value of the wall.

    1. Boxduh | Nov 11, 2002 04:11pm | #11

      Thanks to all who responded.  What I think I'll do is shop-build two-lite transoms to go atop each of the bedroom, bath, and hallway doors, and in the bedrooms, for the closets, install two-door cubbie cabinets above each closet, matching width of the doors below.  All of my top casings will be at the same elevation, and things will look proportional.  I decided this after going to my supplier and getting a very pricey story about 8/0 doors.

Log in or create an account to post a comment.

Sign up Log in

Become a member and get full access to FineHomebuilding.com

Video Shorts

Categories

  • Business
  • Code Questions
  • Construction Techniques
  • Energy, Heating & Insulation
  • General Discussion
  • Help/Work Wanted
  • Photo Gallery
  • Reader Classified
  • Tools for Home Building

Discussion Forum

Recent Posts and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
View More Create Post

Up Next

Video Shorts

Featured Story

Podcast Episode 686: Brick Steps, Ground-Source Heat Pumps, and Greenhouses in Nova Scotia

Listeners write in about fireplaces affecting family harmony and bionic suits, before asking questions about brick steps, ground-source heat pumps, and building a dome greenhouse in Maritime Canada.

Featured Video

Video: Build a Fireplace, Brick by Brick

Watch mason Mike Mehaffey construct a traditional-style fireplace that burns well and meets current building codes.

Related Stories

  • Podcast Episode 686: Brick Steps, Ground-Source Heat Pumps, and Greenhouses in Nova Scotia
  • FHB Podcast Segment: Efficient HVAC for a New Build
  • Affordable Scans, Accurate Plans
  • FHB Summit 2025 — Design, Build, Business

Highlights

Fine Homebuilding All Access
Fine Homebuilding Podcast
Tool Tech
Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20

"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Fine Homebuilding Magazine

  • Issue 331 - June 2025
    • A More Resilient Roof
    • Tool Test: You Need a Drywall Sander
    • Ducted vs. Ductless Heat Pumps
  • Issue 330 - April/May 2025
    • Deck Details for Durability
    • FAQs on HPWHs
    • 10 Tips for a Long-Lasting Paint Job
  • Issue 329 - Feb/Mar 2025
    • Smart Foundation for a Small Addition
    • A Kominka Comes West
    • Making Small Kitchens Work
  • Issue 328 - Dec/Jan 2024
    • How a Pro Replaces Columns
    • Passive House 3.0
    • Tool Test: Compact Line Lasers
  • Issue 327 - November 2024
    • Repairing Damaged Walls and Ceilings
    • Plumbing Protection
    • Talking Shop

Fine Home Building

Newsletter Sign-up

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox.

  • Green Building Advisor

    Building science and energy efficiency advice, plus special offers, in your inbox.

  • Old House Journal

    Repair, renovation, and restoration tips, plus special offers, in your inbox.

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters

Follow

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X

Membership & Magazine

  • Online Archive
  • Start Free Trial
  • Magazine Subscription
  • Magazine Renewal
  • Gift a Subscription
  • Customer Support
  • Privacy Preferences
  • About
  • Contact
  • Advertise
  • Careers
  • Terms of Use
  • Site Map
  • Do not sell or share my information
  • Privacy Policy
  • Accessibility
  • California Privacy Rights

© 2025 Active Interest Media. All rights reserved.

Fine Homebuilding receives a commission for items purchased through links on this site, including Amazon Associates and other affiliate advertising programs.

  • Home Group
  • Antique Trader
  • Arts & Crafts Homes
  • Bank Note Reporter
  • Cabin Life
  • Cuisine at Home
  • Fine Gardening
  • Fine Woodworking
  • Green Building Advisor
  • Garden Gate
  • Horticulture
  • Keep Craft Alive
  • Log Home Living
  • Military Trader/Vehicles
  • Numismatic News
  • Numismaster
  • Old Cars Weekly
  • Old House Journal
  • Period Homes
  • Popular Woodworking
  • Script
  • ShopNotes
  • Sports Collectors Digest
  • Threads
  • Timber Home Living
  • Traditional Building
  • Woodsmith
  • World Coin News
  • Writer's Digest
Active Interest Media logo
X
X
This is a dialog window which overlays the main content of the page. The modal window is a 'site map' of the most critical areas of the site. Pressing the Escape (ESC) button will close the modal and bring you back to where you were on the page.

Main Menu

  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Video
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Popular Topics

  • Kitchens
  • Business
  • Bedrooms
  • Roofs
  • Architecture and Design
  • Green Building
  • Decks
  • Framing
  • Safety
  • Remodeling
  • Bathrooms
  • Windows
  • Tilework
  • Ceilings
  • HVAC

Magazine

  • Current Issue
  • Past Issues
  • Magazine Index
  • Subscribe
  • Online Archive
  • Author Guidelines

All Access

  • Member Home
  • Start Free Trial
  • Gift Membership

Online Learning

  • Courses
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Podcast

More

  • FHB Ambassadors
  • FHB House
  • Customer Support

Account

  • Log In
  • Join

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Follow

  • X
  • YouTube
  • instagram
  • facebook
  • pinterest
  • Tiktok

Join All Access

Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features.

Start Your Free Trial

Subscribe

FHB Magazine

Start your subscription today and save up to 70%

Subscribe

Enjoy unlimited access to Fine Homebuilding. Join Now

Already a member? Log in

We hope you’ve enjoyed your free articles. To keep reading, become a member today.

Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine.

Start your FREE trial

Already a member? Log in

Privacy Policy Update

We use cookies, pixels, script and other tracking technologies to analyze and improve our service, to improve and personalize content, and for advertising to you. We also share information about your use of our site with third-party social media, advertising and analytics partners. You can view our Privacy Policy here and our Terms of Use here.

Cookies

Analytics

These cookies help us track site metrics to improve our sites and provide a better user experience.

Advertising/Social Media

These cookies are used to serve advertisements aligned with your interests.

Essential

These cookies are required to provide basic functions like page navigation and access to secure areas of the website.

Delete My Data

Delete all cookies and associated data