here’s a multi-faceted job… srtip & reroof the garage apartment in the rear…
fix a leak in the cast iron vent pipe …
fix a major leak in the primary shed dormer on the front..
replace a single glazed french door onto the screened porch…
and remodel the front to give it more curb appeal
some of the existing…
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first we reshingled the garage...
meanwhile ... with the leaky cast iron vent pipe... we opened the ceiling..
i expected to see a cracked joint or something.. instead i was looking at an open pipe with fiberglass insulation stuffed in it...
wha t i think is ... 3 years ago.. when i t was reroofed ( we bid , but didn't get it ).. someone removed a cap from the vent pipe and placed a vent boot on it...
fine... except the pipe had been abandoned 20 years ago when the rear addition was put on and it went no place.... in addition.... when i climbed up on the roof to check the chimney flashing... bad.. the squirrels had eaten the corners...
but so what ... big deal... THERE WAS NO TOP on the the CHIMNEY... how could the roofer reflash the chimney and never say a word about the fact that there was NO CAP... and
another cast iron vent had been let into the chimney .. apparently a common thing at some time..avoided the problem of a vent flash
got my plumber out and we snapped the old pipe and pulled it out.. also snapped the vent pipe into the chimney and rerouted it to plastic thru the roof
here's Brad explaining what 150 of cast iron pipe will do if it lets go
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Edited 7/7/2005 11:00 pm ET by Mike Smith
anyways ... on to the main shed dormer....
i suspected most of the problem was on the cheeks... here's what the southeast corner looked like
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and of course .. when we stripped it... someone had very carefully installed the housewrap... and then PUT THE STEP FLASH on top ..
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same thing with the break flash on the front... did you say flashing ? i thought you said funnels !
the north cheek was fine.... mainly because they didn't change the tar paper or the old red painted tin flashings ....
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 7/7/2005 11:19 pm ET by Mike Smith
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the french doors were odd sized a pair of 2' 3" ...
here's the existing.....
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naturally .. nobody makes those.. so i ordered a pair of Morgans in 2/0 x 6/8 ( $800 each for $1600 the pair )
then Scott biscuited and glued 3/4 to each edge... then ripped the bevels with our EZ Guide and hung them
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we thought we would have to router the jambs to make room for the 1 3/4" doors ( the existing were 1 3/8" )
but it seems that some one had installed interior doors in an exterior jamb and nailed a 3/8 x 3/8 filler that you couldn't see... we pulled the filler out and the new doors went in perfectly
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Edited 7/7/2005 11:33 pm ET by Mike Smith
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Edited 7/8/2005 6:14 am ET by Mike Smith
That's a cute house - very typical of that area. We were in Newport a few weekends ago for a wedding. I hadn't been there in a long time. I had forgotten how nice it is.
I'm looking forward to your pics once again. One question on the flasing on the dormer - If the shingles were doing their job and the flashing was installed correctly would it really matter if the vapor barrier overlaped the flashing or not? I understand it is best as the last line of defense but it seems the water shouldn't be getting behind the shingles in the first place.
well... in a perfect world.. you're right..
but i've never relied on my siding to be the only wall of protection...or to put it another way... if they had installed the flashing and tyvek correctly, there wouldn't have been a leak...
you could leave the shingles off and no water would come inMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
My dim-witted brain usually holds one thought in mind if I have to do or help with exterior crap: "work from the bottom up, crap on top should be on top of the crap on the bottom".
They obviously didn't use this principal on the dormer "repair" ; )
On that CI soil pipe that was leaking, I'm not 100% on why it was leaking. You said it was open with insulation stuffed in the opening... Was it a flashing issue (rain running down the outside of the pipe)? Or did they just teminate it into the attic..
CI is a heavy bitch. Get me a Fernco and some PVC.jt8
In an underdeveloped country don't drink the water. In a developed country don't breathe the air --Jonathan Raban
john.... when i opened the ceiling and pulled the fiberglass insulation out of the pipe , i could see SKY...
so every time it rained, the water would run down the pipe and onto the ceilingMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Sounds like the low bidder got that one.
Keep the pics coming. Nice to see stuff as the work progresses.
jt8
In an underdeveloped country don't drink the water. In a developed country don't breathe the air --Jonathan Raban
Edited 7/8/2005 1:40 pm ET by JohnT8
here's the outside view of that abandoned CI vent pipe...just ot the lower right of center
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also , notice the RC shingles over the hip roofs ? see how they've been wicking water? this siding is only about 3 years old.. they brought the shingles right down to the roofing
also... in the corners.. they ran the steps behind the shingle course.. so it actually leaks into the walls and then runs back out.. some of it anyway
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Edited 7/8/2005 7:49 pm ET by Mike Smith
face lift for the front.. here's the existing..
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we're moving the entry towards the middle.. and extending a porte cochere with a gable, stepping down one riser to a platform.. then two steps to a bluestone landing
here's the framing
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and some demo of the old concrete stoop with our feathers and wedges to split it up into manageable pieces
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Edited 7/8/2005 8:07 pm ET by Mike Smith
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here's another picture of my feathers & wedges.. bought these about 20 years ago from Barre Granite Quarry
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Scott started laying out the Sunburst for the gable end of the porte cochere
made all the taper cuts with our EZ Guide
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Edited 7/8/2005 8:15 pm ET by Mike Smith
rainy day today.. so Scott & Roy worked in the garage.. scott continued with the Sunburst
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Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 7/8/2005 8:27 pm ET by Mike Smith
Hey Mike ...
up there near granite-land ...
can U still get them fancy feather and wedges?
Corey always thot they were cool. Couldn't locate any on my last quick local try.
what's a set(?) of something like that run?
The kid could really use a set ... can ya price it out for me ... if U find any?
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
here's a site....
http://www.miconproducts.com/wedges.html
i have two sizes... one size i drill 3/4 holes
the larger one i drill 1" holes.. the ones in the pic are 3/4 " holesMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Jon and Mike ...
got those sites saved.
Thanks.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Check out your stone yards and mason supply places.know of at least one, retail type location, that carries them in about 5 or 6 sizes.
bobl Volo, non valeo
Baloney detecter
Mike convinced me to buy 8 sets last night. Here is the retailer I ordered from:
http://www.milessupply.com/drilling.htmAnother one that looked interesting:
http://www.sculpt.com/catalog_98/Stonetools/feather.htm
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Sounds like the HOs have been pouring lots of $$ into that house for a while now.
Can you duplicate the angle on this shot? (with an "in progress" shot)
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In an underdeveloped country don't drink the water. In a developed country don't breathe the air --Jonathan Raban
i'll see if i can get a panorama tomorrow.. meanwhile... back at the digs
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Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 7/11/2005 10:03 pm ET by Mike Smith
Yeah, try to stand in the same spot the 'before' pic was taken. I want to merge them.
jt8
In an underdeveloped country don't drink the water. In a developed country don't breathe the air --Jonathan Raban
john.. here's my poor attempt.... i think i must have used a special wide angle lens for the first one...
anyways.. the difference between winter & summer is sure extreme
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Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 7/12/2005 8:27 pm ET by Mike Smith
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anyways.. the difference between winter & summer is sure extreme
kinda like those weight loss ads where the 'after' pic has the person in makeup and smiling and the 'before' pic has them slouching, scowling, and without makeup.
Attached is how I like to visualize projects. We have the 'before' and a 'during', but we still need an 'after'. Tell your crew to hurry their butts up because I need an after shot :)
jt8
In an underdeveloped country don't drink the water. In a developed country don't breathe the air --Jonathan Raban
john... that is sooooooo cool...
how'd ya dodat ?
what program do you use for that ?
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
what program do you use for that ?
Macromedia Flash. Give me the 'after' shot when its ready and I'll add it on. jt8
In an underdeveloped country don't drink the water. In a developed country don't breathe the air --Jonathan Raban
are those wood gutters like over on nantucket ?
carpenter in transition
tim... no , those are aluminum gutters...we've got to replace them as part of the scope
here's some shots from yesterday... there are 8 stringers.. so i made a short plywood pattern / jig
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and the resulting stringers
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 7/15/2005 10:24 pm ET by Mike Smith
started laying the Ipe' 5/4 x 4 ...
and boxing the last two posts before we wrap them with Azek
here's the bluestone landing
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 7/15/2005 10:31 pm ET by Mike Smith
john.... here's your progress pic...Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
here's the job sign from next door... nice huh ?
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what does "fully insured" mean to you ?
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 7/15/2005 10:35 pm ET by Mike Smith
that he has an agent...
carpenter in transition
i looked them up on the Contractor's Registration Board...... no employees.... no comp.... what a jokeMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
before, during, during... I can still see Tyvek, so presumably it isn't the 'after' pic (plus there's still crap in the yard).
Do you have a pic of your logo? Preferably just logo, but logo on vehicle/sign if that is all that's available.
jt8
The reason so many people never get anywhere in life is because when opportunity knocks, they are out in the backyard looking for four-leaf clovers.-- Walter Percy Chrysler
and some more during.....
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starting to wrap the columns with Azek.......
ouch... is that stuff expensive !
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Edited 7/18/2005 8:09 pm ET by Mike Smith
Looking nice mike.
And johns thing there is very cool.Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
Excellent Mike, how are you working the Azek to do the column wraps. I'm considering same for my porch project and am curious. Thanks
well... we discussed it at length and decided we had zero confidence in gluing up a 9' miter... so we glued up a U-box, with the front face overlapping the sides... then we are nailing on back face...
we use all SS finish nails for the Azek.... also.. this is our first Azek... we've used a lot of Koma before... but prefer the Azek as being denser on the edges.. and cleaner when routing it..
we are concerned about expansion / contraction.. so we're leaving the bottoms and tops short and we'll close the gaps with the pediestals & capitals...
on the risers... we used a butt joint to overlap the skirtsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, have never used Koma but I've hung Azek with vinyl and hardi. I've also had concerns with relative expansion. Did you free float the Azek around the column, or nail and glue all the way up? How did you profile the front piece ends (leave them square with reveal or router edges)? I've got a porch column job coming up on my current project and would be interested in a close up shot of the detail. btw work looks great as always.
Kevin
they are hollow boxes.... with about 1/16 - 1/8 clearance of the packout ... we are nailing them to the packout only at the top & bottom where the nails will be covered by the pediment & capital trimMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
here's a top view of the lower posts.. this shows the typical blocking around the 4x4Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
thanks for the picture Mike, looking good.
Kevin
the 5" gutter truck showed up this morning... i met the 6" truck over the bridge on Wednesday.. so today was gutter day..
5" on the upper roof... 6" on the lower roof
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we extended the rakes on the portecochere to hide the gutter.. here's some pics of the details
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 7/22/2005 7:38 pm ET by Mike Smith
and some of the detail work on the post trims and the sunburstMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
john... here's our Friday progress shot
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Edited 7/22/2005 7:45 pm ET by Mike Smith
great pics/project. Looks like you utilize the same portable garage that I do. I just wish the would make them lawn pattern camo, instead of blue.
i was tempted to bring our 7x14 trailer on the job.... but i would have had to park it on the lawn... anyways , we'll soon be outta hereMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
That is a real good lookin porch, I'm sure the owners areproud of it. That photo where before and after are combined(I assume)I was unable to open can you post that in here likeyou do with your pictures?
butch... johnt8 is posting those..
i'm just posting progress pics....thanks for the commentsMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
yeah, I was trying to kill two birds w/one stoneJohnt8, you listening, can you post those pics. sothey show here?
Butch,To view John T8's pics you need to be able to read "flash".http://tinyurl.com/3tuy
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
butch, I could convert that flash file into a animated GIF, however it would probably get large in file size and visually fuzzy. Flash and Java are the two primary web-animation viewers. Their basic viewers are worth having loaded on your PC.
for Flash, you might try going to :
http://www.macromedia.com/
It has a Flash animation right there on the home page, so it might prompt you to download it right there.
If that doesn't work, here is a page from CNET with the viewer. I thought there was a 50k viewer somewhere, but this 500k one is the only one I'm finding at the moment (take about 2 mins via dialup to download).
http://www.download.com/Flash-Player-Internet-Explorer-/3000-2378_4-10261021.html?tag=lst-0-6
That will enable you to see Flash animations on all websites.jt8
The reason so many people never get anywhere in life is because when opportunity knocks, they are out in the backyard looking for four-leaf clovers.-- Walter Percy Chrysler
all of the column moldings are Azek.... routed on a Benchdog with 1/2" shank bits
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the plinth is mitered 3/4...
set on a PT base...
the torus is glued up from 1" stock ...
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idon't think this Azek is especially good for stand-alone molding... the routed edges are not fine enough.. and i still don't trust the expansion /contraction..
i would think it's great stuff if we were painting it.. but then i might as well make it out of GP PrimeTrim.. sure would cost a lot less..
we pay about $50 for a 5/4 x 6 x 20'
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 7/26/2005 9:04 pm ET by Mike Smith
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remember the flashing problem that was causing the leaks ?
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well , that's basically why we got this job....he's been living with that leak for 3 years..
anyways.. here's how it looks now.. after we stripped all of the RC shingles from the shed dormer & redid all of the flashings
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we also removed the corner boards and put Grace behind them
the other 2 pics show the same dumb flashing on the front face, with the rainscreen (Tyvek ) BEHIND the break flash...
this is a shot of our typical break flash made from 8" coil stock with a hem and a double break to keep it compressed against the asphalt shingles
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Edited 7/30/2005 9:25 am ET by Mike Smith
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bend that the other way and it'll sit down even tighter ...
a big "brown out" ... then a shallow "white out" ...
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Mike, do you have your logo in jpg or bmp form?
Did you finish this project? I don't have a finished photo if so. And if not, what is the crew going to do for a week while you're away? While the cat is away... ;)
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jt8
The reason so many people never get anywhere in life is because when opportunity knocks, they are out in the backyard looking for four-leaf clovers.-- Walter Percy Chrysler
the replacement window guys are finishing today.. and the owner is hanging the lamps...
i should have a "finished" pic tomorrow... of course .. the landscapre is still going to move the front walkMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Logo? If you don't have a pure logo jpg, then just take some pics of the lawn signs and/or truck logos. Between them we should be able to come up with a usable one.
jt8
The reason so many people never get anywhere in life is because when opportunity knocks, they are out in the backyard looking for four-leaf clovers.-- Walter Percy Chrysler
john .. here's our logo..
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
john... that is still so cool.... next week ( after Cal's ) i'll get you the latestMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
See you and DW Saturday if you're still there.
jt8
"Even if I knew that tomorrow the world would go to pieces, I would still plant my apple tree." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
i've got to go over and take some more shots... they had their landscaper do some real nice stuff to show off the portecoMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Nice stuff Mike. Were going to have to meet in the Tav, & discuss Sun. Oct 16th.
lemme guess.... something about mile high broncos ?
how much Outbacks bucks ya got ?Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
tate... here's your finished shot.. complete with landscaping
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Edited 10/18/2005 10:09 pm ET by MikeSmith
Beautiful!
Fine work as always.Troy Sprout
Square, Level & Plumb Renovations
awesome!!
that is a lovely home!
thank you.... of course... if the Owners didn't spring for it.. none of it would happen
so .. god bless homeowners who want us to do nice workMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
B & A w/ Logo.
jt8
"Real difficulties can be overcome; it is only the imaginary ones that are unconquerable. " --Theodore N. Vail
John,How long did it take you to learn that?I would love to have some of that kind of thing on our web site (and I bet Mike is thinking the same thing).
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
you bet your bippy..
tate.... that's way beyond cleverMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike, feel free to use those Flash files however you'd like.
It's like burgoo. Everyone throws a little something into the pot and the result is that everyone gets fed. The time it takes me to throw one of those Flash files together is insignificant to the time I save when I get a good piece of advice hereabouts. And considering I've got some pretty good sized projects coming up (good sized for me), I figure I'm taking more out of the pot than I'm throwing in.
jt8
"Real difficulties can be overcome; it is only the imaginary ones that are unconquerable. " --Theodore N. Vail
Most of the SWF's I'm posting here don't even touch the tip of the iceburg. You get a good graphic artist who knows Flash and they can do some amazing stuff. And from a computer geek point of view, its just amazing how small the file size is.
But to answer your question, you can probably pick up any basic Flash book and learn how to make a clip like the ones I did for Mike. Its just a matter of applying different chapter lessons into a single file.
I try to stay on Mike's good side, cuz he's one of those crusty old-timers who seem to have a vast storehouse of construction knowledge. :)
What are you trying to make a flash out of? What kind of site?
jt8
"Real difficulties can be overcome; it is only the imaginary ones that are unconquerable. " --Theodore N. Vail
I'm thinking about sopme flash our website and possible a powerpoint presentation that I would use when meeting with clients.Flash can be impressive but often it seems they want sizzle without adding any real content. The before/after stuff is great for the visually-oriented people.Would you be interested in converting some before/after shots for a fee?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
I'm thinking about sopme flash our website and possible a powerpoint presentation that I would use when meeting with clients.
Flash can be impressive but often it seems they want sizzle without adding any real content. The before/after stuff is great for the visually-oriented people.
Would you be interested in converting some before/after shots for a fee?
I agree, there is a lot of garbage flash out there. Typically advertising something or other.
How many Flash clips were you thinking of, Jon? Like I said to Mike, BT is like a big pot of burgoo where people throw in whatever they have to contribute. If you just need a couple or so, I can just throw them together for free. Just part of my contribution to the pot.
If you need a bunch of them... well, we can probably come up with some arrangement. Just keep in mind, that 1 out of 10 people (or so) might not have the flash plug-in loaded on their PC, so if its on a website you probably want to support it with JPG's.
Here's my Yahoo address if you want to email me: [email protected]
jt8
"Real difficulties can be overcome; it is only the imaginary ones that are unconquerable. " --Theodore N. Vail
this house sold for $1.2 mill early this year... the Owner gave us a lot of credit for the selling priceMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
That's almost as impressive as the house work.
Hard Eight Bar B Que, Brady, Texas
"Always bet the Hard Eight!"
Mike,
I understand and agree. It just seems that if water is getting behind the shingles there are other problems as well...