Ok, I got jiggy with it now that the weather is playing nice. I had fixed the rotted wood last week, and added a cant or bevel board to help keep ice from pushing out the crown moulding IF there is a stop up and freeze up. I am enlarging the 2 @ 2″x3″ downspout drops to 4″ round, that will flush leaves more better and hopefully not clog as easily. Have to use a guide for the holesaw being as there is nothing to pilot off of over the old drop hole.
Then its fit the miter with enough extra to fold, AND still be able to go up the house wall on the other end. That takes a little xray vision and care to not cut it bad.
After I like the fit and all is still sitting good in the trough, I add a few “Tabs” on the roof side and keep it clamped to the drip edge while I pre tin the soon to be folded and flattened flaps.
After it’s tinned and still hot, I can re-flux and fold the long flap over the short one, and squish them with the tongs, then I fold that over and pound it flat..not so easy over the drop hole, but that will be cut out later anyway, for the 4″ stub that the elbows below will connect to..so it don’thave to be pretty, but still has to be fully sweated.
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The next shot is ( I think) a mid joint before the next pan is laid and fit, just the relief cuts and ears stood up for tinning.
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And here is the house wall meeting area, it is Board and batten and I will cap this end with a verticle cap, then cut all the battens about 3" up and simultaneously groove the boards to accept a counter flashing , later when I lay the flat seam pans. I hope to be starting pans Wed, and will have more of that as it proceeds.
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Oh and the other end being bored.
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I hope to be done with the gutter tomorrow and some pans will be going on soon. Stay tuned.
Oh hey Grant..it all fit perfectly!
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Great! just so ya can see the big picture, I make huge pile of mess..not all neat and tidy like most posters..LOL
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Nice guide for the hole saw. I use the same technique when drilling granite , marble and porcelain tile.
I'll stay tuned. Thanx for sharing.
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This is cool. Wish I could see this sort of thing live some time. We have no houses with details like that in my area.
Where's the brake you're forming those profiles with? Are they 10' pieces and how are they joined? Do you lap and tin them flat? What gauge is the copper? Is it coil? What's that cost a foot and where do you get it?
What's it look like from below?
What's your favorite color?
What's the capitol of Estonia?
What? What! What?
LOL..yer nuts.
Ok, I'll try to answer what I can..
Capital: Tallinn
16oz copper, bent by our very own Grant Logan ( SeeYou) on his SHOP brake. 10' long. I do the carpentry, I measure the folds and give him a drawing. I pick up the pans and field join them with a double lock and solder.
$ is about 600.00 for 50' x 18" wide+Labor=approx 1600.00. (Gutter only).
You can't see anything from the ground except the drip edge, but this porch roof has a door upstairs and can be used as sun deck from a bedroom, if you like sunning on a main street in Versailles, KY with lots of traffic noise.
My favorite color is blue/grey ( both sides of the recent unpleasantness).
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verrrry interestink....
Blue grey. Check.
>>>>>>>>>What gauge is the copper? Is it coil? It's 16 oz which is close to 24 ga. and I seldom use coil copper. This was made from sheet cu. It's harder and doesn't ding up as easily.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Keeping an eye on you too.
I told ya I'd get to it! First decent working day in a long while, and Grant just got me the remainder of my mat. the day after Xmas.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Our weather's been wacky too lately.
Helped my mason buddies on the weekend on a fireplace build -- well above the roof. I'll be copper flashing it into the roof later in the week - but I was the third man using the bull wheel on sat. and Sun.
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Actually our temps are above normal for the last 5 or 6 days. Highs up to or into the 40's.
You've got a nice reflector oven coming soon , once you start with the panels.
Don't forget the Coppertone oil !!!
Hey Sphere,That board and batten seem like a 1 to 1 ratio, never saw that before. Is that common by you?KevinNice work BTW.
I haven't run across that before, and hardly ever do work on B&B around here. I do know, that it is actually a Board on Board wall, where the wider board IS the wall. The lath is nailed on the otherside and plaster over that. The house is circa 1830's and the porch was added in the 1940's.
The HO had most of the other walls built in and insulated, this wall for some reason is still only one board thick. He was real concerned of me kerfing in the counter flashing..afraid I'll saw through the wall..LOL Well, that is a valid concern if someone didn't KNOW it was a thin wall and had a saw set too deep.
One can find pretty much all types of old construction around here, and Yes, it's all poplar with very little degradation.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Same as my place, the exterior wall is actually structural. Piffin posted and than reposted that I should be carefull removing bottom of exterior, might lead to things falling down. This is awhile back, at that phase of my project.
I had a cabin in NC that was B-on-B and I FROZE in winter..my god, it was 200 a mo. rent and worth less than that..LOL.
Funky walls to have ele. mounted on, and no plumbing on ext. walls for sure. No window sills to speak of either.
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Our place is really a three season house, but I'm thinking of spray foam again. Heard, or read, it stiffens the structure as well as insulates. That would be a plus.
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Nice work. Anybody seen SeeYou?
He's at Disney as we speak.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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>>>>>>>>>>>>Oh hey Grant..it all fit perfectly!If it's measured right, my chances of bending it right go up proportionately.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Hey! Did ya have a good time? Dale said he missed ya down there.
Yup, the measuring always was Dale's job..I just got lucky.
Nailed it. Joe is pleased as punch, as am I. This is one of the best flat seams I've seen..I fought with a few nasty ideas, due to the odd ball decking and pitch. And the WTF with the 12 buck a pound solder.
I need the counter as you get to it, and the alum DS and els..and one sheet of CU 2x10 and I'll field bend the rest.
You done good on the pans. Next time tho' , I buy pretinned, I was getting loopy on that step.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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>>>>>>>>>Did ya have a good time? Dale said he missed ya down there.We didn't get in 'til late. I-75 was bumper to bumper from Atlanta to Orlando. Dead stop to 80mph to dead stop every 5 mins. Dale left at the right time. They started closing the parks to people not staying there at 9:30-10AM due to capacity problems. By about the same time all the ride reservations for the day were gone. We got on some ride that wasn't getting much play to kill some time and a Disney guy walked up to us and said "Right place, right time. How many are in your party?" and handed us some plastic "Fast Passes". From then on, we just walked past everyone else and hopped on rides. People were trying to spit on us, but we were passing by them too quickly. It's good to be the king.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Yeah. Dale said about that pass thingy, he was leaving Sarasota when I spoke w/him..I've never been, so I have no Idea first hand, but all the DW's fambly is down there..
Fla. is like my garlic to a vampire..I just can't stand the place and the transplants..we had all the "half backs" in NC...halfway back to where the f ever they started out from, NYC, Detroit, Boston.. They'd sop in NC and kill the buzz by buyng a MTN. and clearing it..build a dome or an octo. or a sprawling rancid..and then sell the next hillside to a kinfolk, and for a "view"..that house.
4,000 ft Joni Mitchel songs, with pools, on a mountain.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Hey Grant,Do you have a list of measurements needed you can fax me? Some sort of form you use to make sure nothing is missed?Kevin
No - no form.If you can give me the footprint of the house, I can get the roof slope off the photos. I'm having a hard time reconciling some things that I can't see in the photos - valleys and how that one wing ties in, mainly.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
you want the footprint with out the porch I assume ? And the wing you are referring to, you mean the back of the house, the kitchen/bath lean to addition?
>>>>>>>>>>And the wing you are referring to, you mean the back of the house, the kitchen/bath lean to addition?I guess - I don't know the floor plan.>>>>>>>>>>you want the footprint with out the porch I assume ?Yes, but I'll also need the porch footprint if it gets a new roof as well.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
I'll fax it to the # on your website, Fax: (+888) 583.7961, unless you have another # you'd prefer. Email it if you don't want it here.
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Nice job Duane. Hope someday I'll get the oppurtunity to learn how to work with copper some.
Hope yer not coming this way until Feb.
The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
There's a divorce happening over by you..I'll be down and help with the move I guess.
I can give ya a crash course in a day, and with a few tools, you too can be a tin-knocker Or CU as the case may be. Actually, tho, there are a few tricks that I still have yet to master, and it's REAL easy to make a pan inside out or backwards ( don't ask).
It ain't like soldering pipe..I can tell ya that.
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Me and backwards-bent alum. trim go way back, so I can relate. Cu much more expensive error than Al however.
Too bad about Dean and ???. Does she need comforting? You know me, always thinking of others <G>.The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
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That don't scare me NEARLY as much as her falling in luv w/me and ending up with you as a FIL.
Hey Dad!!!The best reward for a job well done is the opportunity to do another.
Nice pics. Thanks for posting them. I was recently watching a copper/slate job on a church nearby and was wondering about the bituthane under the copper. Why doesn't it get fried when the Cu is soldered, or does it?
Duane,
Are those pictures captured with your phone again or is it a camera ??
They are quite clear , so I wondered if phones had that good a resolution.
Walter
That is the real camera, my Kodak. The Sony blurs from a slow shutter time. And it's a PITA to get the phone pics out. I'm shooting at 3.1 and resizing with Irfanview for here. The full size pics are really good.
As you know, it's hard to get good pics of copper. And kinda time consuming to post in-line , and a real pain when your hands are SHOT from working..I'd not done much CU work for a long spell..it's like riding a bike remembering, but oh god, the muscles are sore.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I thought those photos were too good for a phone image.
More tonight I hope ??
I got more coming, just got home..gonna hit the feed trough and get the pics resized. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Ok, I can eat and post..LOL.
I solder the 4" downspout stock ( through the gutter and soffit) so that it can't leak at the seam , that would be INSIDE the porch roof..the factory seam could burst or seep if there was a back up.
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My hammer is keeping it from rolling as I solder it.
Then it gets flowered or what I call blunderbussed ( Like Elmer Fudd's Shotgun) so that it can be sweated to the liner..sometimes these actually climb up the bevel and can be a trick to solder ( and fit). I lay it on heavy, so any weight or anything yanking on the downspout won't make a busted joint. Dale and I used to pride ourselves on making 4" downspout anchored well enough with straps and solder, that in an emergency it could be shinnied down while the house burnt. Crack and Meth heads still manage to yank some off, and destroy the gutter..if they worked that hard a real job, they'd not have to steal.
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My torch was giving me fits and my flux was old..so it spattered a lot..plus it was really windy.
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I'll add the laces with the other irons tomorrow, I was getting PO'ed at my torch not lighting and flaming out.
Oh, that middle expansion joint I showed yesterday with the flaps up? Here it is tinned and flattened ready to sweat in.
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After the drops were in, I began tacking down the lock strip for the flat seam where it dumps into the gutter. It would warp if I solder it all in at once, so a few tacks or stitches keeps it in line. It hangs over the gutter one half inch and then is sweated fully, so again, if the gutter backs up, it can't go up the roof under the lock.
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Here it is looking towards town..about 50' of soldering and I wore out. Too late in the day to start setting pans, and I'll switch to an oven and loose irons for that, my torch would cool off too much doing all that flatseam, and it too slow waiting on heat..two irons in the fire will keep me rockin and rolling.
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Tomorrow the temp dry in goes away, as does the remaining roof as far as I can lay flat seam in a day, I figure why tear it all off at once, this way I can tuck the temp dry in ( UDL or Perma) under the existing and over the new work.
More tomorrow, same time, same station..Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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looking good.... thanks for the pics and storyMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Duane,
I'm not sure I follow your inboard lock strip. You already had a half inch lock turned on your gutter blanks that I assumed you'd hook your flat seam panels to.
What am I not seeing here ??
Walter
Well, the gutter pans are fabbed from rips Grant shears off sheets. And the roof cleat edge isn't always the same be/c the depth of the gutter varies due to slope. So the lock strip gives me a square starting edge and gets the water right over the gutter.
That, and thats the way I was taught , from Grant. I'm a woodworker at heart, and he/Dale tuaght me thier way. When I was subbing to Grant, it was his way, or we pick up the warranty. In this case, I followed his advice, be/c he has the exp. that I lack, as far as yrs and yrs of trouble free installs.
I believe I saw that detail on the copper gutter link that was posted in the other box gutter thread going on..as well. A little more work but if it keeps it from leaking and a call back..I'm all over it.
Looks like I have another porch roof roof just like this one to bid on..a local guy stopped by and wants me to check it out, activly leaking currently. Historic district, must be copper or tern, no rubber. I can keep my price low on these, no scaffold set up, no helper, and close to the ground..hour and a half travel or so each way is a bummer, but thats where the $$ is, not here in the woods.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Now I follow you . I thought you had a hemmed edge that was straight down the front of the porch.
Most of the ones I do are a true fir wooden gutter that has a constant pattern - so a sheet can have a straight edge.
Heres one in galv. that shows what ours are like
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I like. Your pans look to be larger than what I'll be installing, I think mine are 18x30 or there abouts.
Gotta get my butt in gear..we got cold headed back our way..two real nice days in row was good.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Yes my pans are a lot larger than typical. North side and tree shaded just about half way between the Equator and the North Pole - heat isn't such a problem for expansion and contraction on this job.
The roof I took of was 3' x 8' sheets rivetted together and soldered tight - and those joints didn't fail it rusted thru around the "seats" for the posts.
No luck with todays pics. The camera died after one picture and I can't email my self the pics from my fone till I get out where there is signal..bummer. I wasn't taking any after I tinned the first pan, and after I got ready to leave..trying to make speed before any snow hits.
I was jammin, I got half done, about 1.5 sq. from 10 till 330...man am I sore. (G)
If by a miracle the pics show up in my email, I'll post em , but I think they are lost in the etheres right now.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Duane,
It's much more important to get the work done when weathers approaching than snapping pictures.
Good luck getting rested up.
Happy New Years.
Walter
Yeah, Buddy.
HNY to you and the wife as well. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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very cool Duane.No Tag
Thanks , been enjoying your thread as well! Glad we HAVE work to be honest..my phone is ringing off the hook, but it's guys LOOKING for work, not offering.
Have a Happy and be nice to your liver (G).Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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will do.
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no, it's not !get back out there , duane.... set up the lights !we want the last pics of 2008you know the drill ...keep your powder dry and your camera batteries chargedMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I got the fone pics here finally, went out to look at my next possible long term remodel job ..yippee!
Anyway. here are the pans as I finished yesterday.
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As I turned the corner I kept the long edge of the pans running along the gutter.
And a far away shot..can't get the whole roof in view with out a hover craft(G)
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Happy New Years , and I'll be back at it in the morning, I hope to get it done except final counterflashing, but a sq and half is about all I can get down in day ( 6 hours) then I'm pooped and sore from leaning over the irons..Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I've been following this with interest, never heard of this sort of roof wihtout the standing seam. Judging by the pics, you don't see the roof from the street, am I correct? Very little pitch?
Right. I could have used standing seam as long as the pans had no transverse seams, but flat seam is traditional, and more walkable, this roof has a door leading on to it.
Very flat, slight pitch in 3 directions, 2 sides and the front..cannot be seen from the street at all.
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given the pitch, did you have a choice? In other words, could it have been a standing seam, less soldering? Do the homeowners actually walk on it much?
I could have, due to no transverse seams, and no, the current HO's won't be going on it ..esp with no railing. Future HO's may tho. It IS a 75 yr roof ( I hope).
I decided that the flat seam was the best choice, given that it was what was original and we are in a Historic District. That also precluded any type of membrane roofing.
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is all that solder prone to leak from an air pocket like a bad weld would?
It can, that is why a thorough sweat is very important. As you sweat it, it will bubble out trapped air in the lock seam ( pre tinned) and then the solder just soaks in and disappers. I keep at it till it wont take any more, then add laces or sideways ties to add some clout.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Looking good Duane,
Good luck with finishing up today.
Didn't get as far as I had hoped today, I began the removal of the old terne from behind the battens..1x6and a 2x6 stacked plus the base offset of the circsaw got me 3 1/2" up the wall.
Lopped off the battens and kerfed the boards about 1/2 deep to accept the counter. The numbnuts that did the last roof, nailed the terne that was turned up 3" about every inch, and caulked the top edge puckers with sillycone. Then the battens were put up over that fold. Took me forever to get all that old junk outta the way and back to the real wood.
My pans crawl up 2" and the counter is 3", with just a white geocel in the kerf and a small bead atop. Much cleaner and better sealed.
I eventually got about another sq. on, so I have about 1/2 sq to go tomorrow..rain coming tomorrow night, and If I play it right I should be all covered but not counterflashed..before it gets wet. Most of the wall counter is under the main roof eaves, so it won't get to leaking or anything.
I got phone pics again, I forgot the dang camera..so I won't have the pics of todays work till tomorrow..I didn't email them from the job, man I was flying!
My jaw dropped at the $$$ of solder now..last I bought was maybe a buck a stick? Now it's 3 bucks..a 1/4 pound stick!
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I think the last I bought was around 9 / lb. 50/50 in half pound bars.
Don't you hate it when the previous installer does something funky that costs much time to demo !!
Good luck on Sat.
Walter
Thanks for well wishes..we had a good day, I borrowed my DW to help..rain was coming and she came along to beat seams and tote tools! She also remembered the camera..LOL
All done except some lil fiddly bits around the door..I ran out of copper and was so close..any way..I need to remake this threashold I think while I am up there..it's gonna get wrapped, but its punky. I'll need two more days to wrap up the other detail work of the small pent roof wings and some downspouts.
This HO is a great guy and practically makes me take a payment even before my contractural detail dictates..and he loves it when I bring the "boss"..she's worked with me on many jobs, and 2 for him as of now.
So..details for those following along. And a BIG THANK YOU to David Doud..those big tongs came from him awhile back..
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I lov them for the wall upturn..lverage is my friend..I see that is before I greased my thumb..left a pile of knuckle somewhere..and a pint of red.
Here's Rosie doing the seam bashing..she's a trooper on a cloudy day.
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Here I am feeding the lead to the seams..and the oven I was telling Tkiser about..you have one too eh Walter?
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As we wrapped up the day, it drizzed a bit..I got the final space dried in w/perma felt and took a few measures for Grant to supply my finisher stuff..bought the wife a six pack for me..LOL.
I'll hit it again ( the roof) and finish next clear day, we have spotty weather for a spell it looks like..
Now that Gman is back from basking in the sun and fun, I can get the counterflashing in that kerf ya see in the house wall..I laid up some thickness and gave room for a turn up..turnip? and will make that look so much better than a big gob of caulk.
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Been a good roof..everything, EVERYTHING went flawlessly..as planned..and I think I actually made a profit..LOL
Thanks for watching along..and Walter, my wife loves you, she now knows why i post here and brag on guys like you and Grant..I'm catching up with you both! But don't worry, I don't want too many more roofs..my knees are going away fast.
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glad to see them in use - D"there's enough for everyone"
I hadda cut the ears off, way back when on another job, but in CU work, we (I) work with the buildin of the tools..I.E. my hand tongs are bottomed out at 1.5", and a Prep tool for locks is .5'' bend..those old style tongs have a nice deep ability and are as wide as one wants.
I thank you as I bend...seemingly seamlessly as I seem to be seamimg.
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Looks good.
Looks good, Duane. If you need something else bent, email it to me. I'll be in the shop again tomorrow, but out of the shop most of the morning Mon. Looks like Mon is the best day we'll have next week.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Sh*t I need a cool down day..I THUMPED that bad boy down, and left a bit of red juice out my thumb. Ugly bash when I was hitting the tongs with the hammer and got it in the way on a glancing blow, saw the joint in my knuckle..no glove.
I should be dry and can get the finisher in soon as I get a sheet, and counter. Found white geocel at ABC..Duh. I's whooped..we had good days here while y'all was gone.
No change on counter size, 3" will do me.
My DW has a much greater appreaciation for what I do, when she gets out to play along..not bad for a 64 year old woman.
She hates standing up the 32' ladder, but I let her sling that 24' all day, just for kicks..(G) "hey, hon?..can ya move it over there?"
Seriously, I thank you and Dale for the lessons and guidance, to make a good job, better and best for the customer..I had carte-blanche for price, I chose fairness, and relied on my teachings from you both, and I also winged a little..of my own..but, I could not have produced a quality job with out the meeting and teachings of you both.
I din't know a soul when my axe was plopped here 5 yrs ago, but I admired what I saw across the street..the DW said " You can do that"..and now, look at us.
Thank you..and we'll forget about the Crazy MF and carry on..LOL
I got 4 new hits just being there at Joes..one is all yours..rubber, and another is that stuff you were showing me in the shop..I won't mess w/painted... not my forte'.
Funny, copper IS the job sign, no need for advertising..a few pans leaning on the boxwood..and the BRIGHT shine on the soffit...man, people slam the brakes on to look..and walkers of dogs, in town, have similar issues. I TRIED to quit this work, got hungry and went back..and POOF! I guess I can't quit it till it quits me trying to quit it.
That 1.5 yr. at the Crazy Farm took away my hands tho', man that copper work is a whole set of muscles and brains that I had on hold..I am tore up again..my music is gonna have to wait till the parts realighn..and I am thinking, I might need a gym membership or something, cuz laying out for a spell is a lot more hard on ya, then daily workouts.
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Duane,
Thats a really sweet looking product you've put out there !!
You had good teachers in Grant and Dale -- and you're a quick study.
Thanks for all the pictures -- I'm sure lots of folks enjoyed the show.
My hand irons are heated in a plumbers furnace - head that sits on a 20 lb. tank , not the oven hooked to the hose like you've shown. My constantly heated iron runs off an acetylene B tank instead of propane.
Best regards, Walter
Thanks Walter, I hope someone can learn a thing or two. It's just about a wrap up and on to the next adventure. LOL.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Duane,
I'll put up some pics in the next day or two of flashing that chimney I showed last week. It abuts the wall so I'll have a half cricket at the top.
Walter
Duane,
Heres my plumbers furnace for heating my hand irons.
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Thats handy. I kinda like the oven on the hose, I can drag it along as I solder and leave the tank where it's outta the way.
Not that I expect to be doing a lot of flatseam either.
Looks like I won't get back up there till Fri. we have weather moving in.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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comon that freezing rain won't make that roof to slippery :)
I've had my share of iced up ladders and scaffold, I quit that while i was ahead. (G)Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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how does that thing attach to the tank valve sitting on top the way it does?
Mike,
It's a special valve specifically for this type of plumbers furnace.
The torch head screws directly onto the top of the opening. It's the new type tank which can't be overfilled.
I like this type when I'm soldering gutters while standing on staging - just reach over at waist height and pick up the irons. Just another method - Duane's works great if your kneeling on the roof doing flat seam work.
Walter
.......You already had a half inch lock turned on your gutter blanks that I assumed you'd hook your flat seam panels to.We can conceivably get a 130d F temperature differential here between the hottest day in the summer and the coldest in the winter. That roof's gonna want to walk a little on a hot summer day. The gutter may not want to travel in the same direction of at the same rate. That lock lets them move independently of each other.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image