I know it’s at HD, but…….
They have money off power tools. I am probably going to buy a new miter saw. Looking at either the DeWalt dw716, or the Milwaukee 6955.
The DeWalt-12″, dual bevel, non slide, 44 lbs. $399-$75.
The Milwaukee-12″, dual bevel, slide, 77lbs. $650-$150.
I also will have a 10% off coupon, so I am anticipating a purchase soon.
What are your opinions?
Glenn
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Milwaukee...
'nuff said....
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
C'mon, man. You gotta give me some reasons.I've had the DeWalt DW 715 for 13 years and it's a work horse and I've been happy with that. So I'm not a DeWalt basher.Glenn
Do a search at JLC.
They've had several threads on both the Milwaukee and the new Makita.
Lots of raves for the Milwaukee, except that it's heavy.
Edited 9/11/2009 6:24 pm ET by FatRoman
I've read everything there about the Milwaukee. Some about the Makita.Like the 10" size as far as portability.Like the 12" for capacity.Oh, misery, thy name is INDECISION!Glenn
I did....
great capacity...
better support...
better machine....
more degrees...
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"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
The way I work, portability is a huge factor for me so I would definitely go with the Dewalt given those 2 choices.
But, the miter saw I really want is the new Makita LS1016L dual bevel 4-rail sliding 10" miter saw. Check it out, I really think it's "da bomb" (does anyone say that anymore?).
I LOVE portability, Don. Unfortunately, I like to cut taller base and crown standing or nested, and I don't think the 10" can do that.Apparently you still say it. Good enough for me.Glenn
I like to cut taller base and crown standing or nested, and I don't think the 10" can do that.
Same here, but my current saw is not very good and doesn't cut good bevels which is why I try to avoid cutting on the flat. I was hoping that the Makita would cut tall baseboard on the flat as good as my current 12" saw cuts it standing.
The Makita is supposed to make cross-cuts up to 12" at 90° so even with a 45° bevel it should be able to cut pretty tall baseboard.
About a month ago I picked up the 28# 7 1/2 Makita slider.....it cuts as Very good on the flat. And its dust collection is better than even the Kapex. now if I made a living doing alot of large nested crown......I still would have this saw as it is So Stinking Handy.http://www.amazon.com/Makita-LS0714-2-Inch-Sliding-Compound/dp/B000AU1VJE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1253415509&sr=8-1Craig
Given your two choices, I would go with the slider. You aren't going to cut hip rafters, rake facia or mitered stair skirts with a chop saw.
Beat it to fit / Paint it to match
Get the Milwaukee. It has WAY better dust collection.
There is a person on E-Bay selling them new for $545 delivered. Her handle is CarolinaGurl84. They might be hot,but dont ask any questions.
BTW...
the lights they put in it work...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
what, you cant get a hitachi? I have 3 of them, an 8, 10 and 12 inch. all sliders. great machines.
regardless, go for the laser option. I thought it was a lot of window dressing until I got one. it is very useful
was at Costco the other day and they have the Hitachi 12" for $400. What would you do?
My CF-8 is getting old but still in great shape but it's a bit limited being only an 8".
I paid close to 6. I'd snap it up if its the slider with digi read out and laser.
I saw the Hitachi when it first came out. Never used one.But have heard some negative things about it, so it scared me off, I guess.Glenn
Definitely, The Hitachi. I also had all three. I have used pretty much every saw on the market working with different carpenters, They all have their on they are use to. But the 12" Dewalt will leave saw Blade marks on your cut. My Hitachi will leave only a satin finish. For a water tight perfect professional Job. No Questions. Hitachi Invented the Slide Compound.
can you set the Hitachie for a 60 degree cut???
I think it's only 57 or 58 degrees...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I never needed it to cut that before, But Even if I needed to go 70 I would cut a Wedge to angle my Piece on the table first. With that it is basically unlimited with the proper Jig. Need 10 more degrees add a 10 degree wedge.There Has never been a Job I could not complete since I had the Hitachi.........
Edited 9/11/2009 11:48 pm ET by MyCousinVinny
do a floor in a 30/60 lay and see how valuable the 60 degree setting becomes not to mention maintaining accuracy along with the serious amount in time saved with setting changes...
remove one more item that could lead to mistakes and wastefulnes...
makes the KISS system is a wunnerful thing...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
If I was to set up the Jig on the saw to 60, And have my second saw set up also. No need for reset. If you need to be that accurate you should run 2 saws. 90% of your mistakes are from resetting the saw. Plus the job will take less time without resetting. Plus How many times this year did you do that floor. Why sacrifice Quality.
I do run more than 2 saws at times...
but then not many have 2 saws let alone 4...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I agree, But they are not the ones doing a 30/60 floor. A real fisherman has more than one fishing pole.......I Just want to say, I do see your point, It would be easier to go 60 without a jig, But not impossible if the saw don't......Plus , I,m the Type of guy, If I needed to have a saw to cut 60 I would buy one for that cut, and probably only use it for that cut...
Edited 9/12/2009 1:53 am ET by MyCousinVinny
we differ a bit...
I buy a tool and I expect it to do more and not have me rig anything to get where I need to be.......
I used a Hitachie earlier this year... after a day or so I went bought a 4410L Bosch... it wasn't worth the effort to fiddle around.. time to get down to business.. BTW the cuts went out to 62*... and there were a bazillion cuts because of the many offsets in one room.. nothing square.. nothing parrell... nothing perpindicular... 24 turns in one room... finished with everthing copistetic,...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Just curious, How would you of done that floor 10 years ago before that saw existed. or 25 years ago when all we had was that heavy a.. Makita.
or even 40 years ago....
table saw with an adjustable angle sliding table...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
That reminds me, I have an old saw buck in my storage. I wonder what the max angle is on that...One thing I know, McGuiver could do it with a piano wire, Spatula and so chewing gum, and it would be perfect.
65 or 70 degrees...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
See that, I knew I had the capability......
don't quote me on that...
that saw isn't really noted for it's accuracy either...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I know, That's why its in storage or as my wife calls it "my tool Museum".
I am still using one of those old boat anchors.=0)...You are always welcome at Quittintime
"12" Dewalt will leave saw Blade marks on your cut."I have two 12" DeWalts, the 705 and the 718. The 705 is maybe 15 years old. They never left any saw marks. I only use Forrest blades and maybe that's the difference.
Forget how far the turret spins -- you can always jig that.The trueness of the fence is my big concern. My 12" DW compound slider's fence leans back 1/16". Useless for trim work.So I went to the store to compare, and found out that the Bosch, while better, leaned back 1/32". Still useless for trim work.Now I'm looking (shudder!) at the Kapex. Even though it's twice the price, it might well be worth ten times more, if it's actually accurate.But in this economy, who stocks it so you can look at it? I've been in a couple of times just a couple of days after a special order has been picked up. So I've almost seen one. But not quite.One of these days...AitchKay
"...My 12" DW compound slider's fence leans back 1/16"....the Bosch, while better, leaned back 1/32".......useless for trim work."Either you are exaggerating or you are just a magnet for the junk saws that slip through factory inspection. Unless a saw was dropped, beaten, or otherwise totally abused, I cannot imagine the fence being out 1/16" even on the lowliest HF saw. You are right to say that such an imperfection is useless for trim work, but I think the likelihood of a new saw being so out of whack is low. You may just be the unluckiest saw purchaser about.Most saw fences that I have encountered are perfect or near perfect enough to not make a difference when chopping wood. But, if it takes spending $1300 so that you can say your saw is more perfect than the rest then go right ahead.DC
Not to uncommon for the fence to be bit off.
Got up on the wrong side of the bed, did we?Not exaggerating, every saw in the showroom was out, and by the measurements I said.AitchKay
I'm not saying that some fences aren't a bit out but 1/16" and even 1/32" tilted is a lot. And for EVERY saw to be out?Maybe it was your square and not the saws.DC
Maybe it wasn't the square.How about taking what I said at face value?Do you want the number of the store, so that the guys there can tell you they saw it, too, when I showed them?Of course, I guess there's always the possibility that I bribed them to say that...AitchKay
Maybe you could share the name and location of the store so that the whole forum can be aware of this place that apparently sells low quality knockoff saws.DC
Edited 9/20/2009 11:29 am ET by Dreamcatcher
Bosch, DeWalt, Makita and Festo are knockoffs?Geez, DC, you just won't get off me, will you?I don't know why what I said has upset and angered you so.As I said, "Got up on the wrong side of the bed, did we?"Take a deep breath, guy.AitchKay
Sorry, I just get easily annoyed by extreme exaggeration.You say "every saw in the showroom was out"So as to say every "Bosch, DeWalt, Makita and Festo" they sold was out by at least 1/32" and some up to 1/16"?Which again leads me to surmise that either your square was wrong or the store is selling defective or fake product....or it's all an exaggeration.I have used and been around many many saws and found very few to have alignment issues that you speak of. Angle and bevel gauges, yes. fence alignement, yes. But not so much the lean of a fence that you say is the "big concern" with miter saws.DC
"Sorry, I just get easily annoyed by extreme exaggeration."Apparently, you get extremely annoyed by facts. There were no exaggerations, as I’ve said. Please stop accusing me of lying.Let's start from the top:We were talking about compound sliders, saws with sliding fences. The only applicable models on the floor were DeWalt and Bosch. There were no Makita or Festo models on the floor with sliding fences at that time. I mentioned Makita and Festo only in response to your accusation that my supplier specializes in cheap knockoff brands.I think there were 3 applicable saws total on the sales floor that we checked -- it's been a few years.The fence on the DeWalt on the floor was leaning back 1/16" at the top according to a couple of squares -- one an engineer's square -- and the Bosch leaned back 1/32".What part of that don't you understand? As I said, “How about taking what I said at face value?†This is getting absurd, though. There’s obviously nothing I can say that will satisfy you, so I’ll stop responding to your flamings.Sheesh!AitchKay
Just send him his pound of flesh and be done, man!
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
I googled him and found out his real name is Joe Wilson.AitchKay
That is very Possible being the Blade. Both saws I tried were not mine and they were new, running The stock Dewalt blade.
Yellow blade-bad.
+1 on DW blade= vomit.I use M-a-t-s-u-s-h-i-t-a and Tenryu.
Edited 9/14/2009 2:07 pm by kenhill3
If I could have only one saw, it would be the Hitachi 10" slider. Accurate, capable, durable and affordable.
Hitachi Don't have the miter saw, but every other tool I've bought from them has been head and shoulders above everything else.
If you're not going to carry it around too much, I would definitely go with the Milwaukee. It's got great features.
The DW is a good saw, I have the new 12" slider which is lighter & more compact than any of the 12" sliders.
Why not go with Bosch? All controls at the front, 60° right 53° left, detent override for easy fractional-degree changes off detent settings, D-handle can be set horizontal, vertical or 45° to either side and safety thumb buttons are on both sides convenient for right handed or left handed users.
http://bosch.cpotools.com/saws/miter_saws/5412l-rt.html
Refurb machine carries the same warranty as new; $550 with free shipping.
I have the 10" and I love it. It's way better than any DW machine I have used.
the bosch is good...
the mil is better...
bosch's dust collection is wanting...
I have the mil and the bosch... way prefer the mil...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
You'll miss the slide just as soon as you buy one without.
I won't be laughing at the lies when I'm gone,
And I can't question how or when or why when I'm gone;
I can't live proud enough to die when I'm gone,
So I guess I'll have to do it while I'm here. (Phil Ochs)
I never had a slider so I don't miss it. ;o)
I've got an 'original' DW 12" single-bevel non-slider (I think it's the 705 but I ain't going down to the shop to look at the number) from 1995. Unkillable, powerful, relatively portable, accurate, smooth, cuts anything I need but, true, I don't do a lot of big roof framing. (If I did, I might consider one of those 'hey-you-almost-a-radial-arm' jobs....)
That saw is probably one of the best tools DW ever made; ranks right up there with their gyprock gun from the same era.
Oh, yeah--nice BIG D-handle, with no stupid thumb button either. I can use it wearing nice fat, warm gloves should the need arrive....
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
I took gorilla glue and glued the thumb button on my Makita down. I hate thos things.
I jammed a toothpick in next to the thumb-button on my Rigid 5" circ. to hold it down. Works as well as glue but is removable if there's kids wandering around the jobsite.
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
Oh well. Didn't want to lie to the wife, didn't have the balls to pull the trigger, and now I missed the sale.Now I'm bumming.Glenn
Go to reconditionedsales.com. They sale mostly Hitachi (just fine with me), but you can also find makita and some others there. Reconditioned, but you get a waranty and you already know that someone qualified has done what it takes to get you a good tool. Some of the best deals on the internet.
Disclaimer: I am in no way affiliated with reconditionedsales.com. I just spent alot of money there after my first buy because I was that impressed.
And I don't care where you buy the saw, you'd better check the fence, table, blade, etc. for trueness. I don't think that peasant factory workers in Mexico or whereever are that concerned about a couple of degrees of accuracy, as they are with their $5 a week salary. By the way, the website I mentioned is based in Georgia, as well as the technicians that do the repair work.
I have the same saw, Dino - it is the DW705 with an 80T carbide blade (also DW). Still making glass-smooth accurate cuts. The crown stops for it work pretty well too.
Jeff
Ditto you and Jeff. I bought my 705 back in '95 too. That things has been used and abused. The switch finally went on me last year. Replaced that, about $10.I did pony up and finally bought a slider last year. After reading reviews and Breaktime critiques, I went out shopping for a 10" slider. To my great surprise, the saw I liked best was the Milwaukee 12" slider. I hadn't read anything about the saw, but just going off of what I saw for myself in the store, I bought one.A couple things: ergonomics. Comfortable with either left or right hand, and just the trigger to fire it up, no safety. Smooth action. Initially I thought the digital miter degree readout to be gimmicky. I've found it to be incredibly handy. No more "it's about 35-1/2 degrees, it's 35.7 degrees, and it's easy to repeat that setting. Excellent dust collection chute, even without the dust collector running. The chute by itself does a nice job. The worklight is okay. I'd prefer brighter, but for out-of-the-box it's better than nothing. Large bed and fence. Accurate milling and set-up out of the box, too.I didn't mean this to turn into a tool review, but yup, it's nice to see some others are still running the 705.
Another +1 for the DW 705. I guess I've had it for about 10 yrs. now. I absolutely trust its accuracy. I take good care of it and hope it will last many more years- they (DW) don't make one this good anymore.View Image
"they (DW) don't make one this good anymore."Amen to that. I cherish my 705. One of the most reliable power tools ever made.
I never had a slide. I have the same saw as Dinosaur, and I believe that Shep has it too.Just that a couple things that I've been doing limit it's usefulness.Glenn
AitchKay, I have the exact same issue with my brand new DeWalt DWS716!! The bottom half od the fence that's attached to the base is perfectly square to the base, but the adjustable pieces are leaning back about a1/16"!! I just did and entire house worth of baseboards and door trim and fought it the entire way. I figured out if I take a small piece of baseboard and press it agains the bottom of the board I'm cutting, it would hold it straight, but if I cut a little too fast, it would lean it back and give me a messed up cut!! You're definitely not imagining this!! I'll be returning this piece of crap tomorrow and getting the Milwaukee!!
Jeff