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   andybuildz | Dec 22, 2006 09:04am | #1

   I donno about it makin' anyone's groin vault but it sure makes my head dizzy.

    

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   quicksilver | Dec 23, 2006 03:14pm | #2

   Brisketbean nice work. It looks like the approach you took made something that could have been super-complicated a lot simpler. I really like the flexible metal. Does it hold its own radius between two points? Two questions on your technique. One as far as the length of the flexible metal barrel vault ribs did you figure the length of the arc and simply fasten the metal to the groin arch? - plumbed the layout up from the floor? And second as far as the groin arch itself - I've never had the opportunity to do one but have thought about it from time to time. Now can you layout an ellipse with the same rise as the arc of the barrel vault but increase the run, changing it from the diameter of the circle to the hypotenuse of a right triangle using the diameter as the length of both legs. And again beautiful work.

   
   

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   brisketbean | Dec 23, 2006 07:59pm | #4

   The (arcs) are actually ellipses, there are no radius on this ceiling,the (flexible) metal studs are ridgid after i bend them to the desires forms, the cross vaults on this ceiling are the same oval as the barrel, and yes the rise can be the same regardless of the width. This ceiling is going to be very nice after drywall and finishing. It is simple enough that two college boy laborers were able to do 90% of the work in about three days. It will take about a day to hang the 1/2" drywall and a couple of days to tape and finish yet. We fab these ceilings in my shop on a custom basis and they are easy to install.

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   rjw | Dec 23, 2006 06:24pm | #3

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   gzajac | Dec 24, 2006 12:38am | #5

   I have always been impressed by your radius work over the years. Your pictures are inspiring, wish I had more opportunity to exercise my skills here.

   Was the metal bent on a radius track bender?

   Greg in Connecticut

   Where is Lano Estacado?

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   bstcrpntr | Dec 24, 2006 01:38am | #6

   Thanks for posting those pics.

   That is how I am planning on doing the ones I have to do.

   I found out the other day that I have until some time in February before I have to build them.

   All the discussion about them lately makes me so much more comfortable about trying them.

   Please post pics when drywalled.Friends help you move.

   Real friends help you move bodies!

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   brisketbean | Dec 24, 2006 05:42am | #7

   yes on the radius track bender, the lano estacado is the spanish name for the staked plains, in the texas panhandle.

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   Gene_Davis | Dec 24, 2006 06:17am | #8

   Larry McMurtry described the lano's landscape quite well in Lonesome Dove.  Didja read it?

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   brisketbean | Dec 24, 2006 06:26am | #9

   sure i did , one of my favorite books of all time.

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   quicksilver | Dec 24, 2006 03:38pm | #16

   Gene, have you heard of Larry's son James. He's a musician and does some really great rock with a mellow rootsy sound. I think he's great.

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   Gene_Davis | Dec 24, 2006 08:37pm | #17

   I'll look him up.  My latest fave is a bluegrass singer named Alecia Nugent, and a Texan I have always liked (there are lots to like) is Lyle Lovett.

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   plumbbill | Dec 24, 2006 07:22am | #10

   Man I sure feel sorry for your taper.

   “How many observe Christ’s birthday! How few, his precepts! O! ‘tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments.” —Benjamin Franklin

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   brisketbean | Dec 24, 2006 07:50am | #12

   i am the taper, stringing tape on the elipses is a little tedious, but it is worth it. 

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   plumbbill | Dec 24, 2006 08:45am | #14

   You the rocker too?

   I always say I can rock , cause I know the ultinate excuse---- it's ok a good taper can take care of that.

   My taper, who is also a good friend---- used to bid jobs I was doing when I had my own gc business---- always asked "who's rockin it" before he would give me a price.“How many observe Christ’s birthday! How few, his precepts! O! ‘tis easier to keep Holidays than Commandments.” —Benjamin Franklin

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   brisketbean | Dec 24, 2006 09:06am | #15

   yes i am the hanger also, i wont tape anything that i dont hang.

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   jhazel3 | Dec 25, 2006 11:02pm | #18

   First that is beautiful work second do you use paper tape or something like NOTAPE or trimteks plastic tapes "cant think of name of it now".  and do you wet 1/2 or use a couple of layers of 1/4 to get that arch ?

   Thanks Jim III

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   brisketbean | Dec 26, 2006 02:58am | #19

   Jim 3;

    

   I have a drywall bender, we use 1/2" drywall for radius that are greater than 30", I use regular paper tape for everything except the groins, I use flextape for them, paper with metal strips.

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   jhazel3 | Dec 26, 2006 03:59am | #20

   I think those are cool I would like to build some someday just for the fun of it. My daughter might be the first one with those in her play house lol

   Thanks Jim III

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   Gene_Davis | Dec 26, 2006 04:03am | #21

   I gotta ask.

   Do you make your living, or do you specialize in, the framing and drywall work for complex vault work such as this?

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   brisketbean | Dec 26, 2006 05:09am | #22

   Gene;

   I don't do ceiling work exclusively, but we do a lot of groin vaults, barrels, domes etc on a custom basis. We do lots of round work because I seek work of that nature out, and it seems to find me on a regular basis. We custom fabricate and let others install also, although the drywall work is some times tough for folks that dont have a bender.

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   BarryE | Dec 26, 2006 05:46am | #24

   admire the workgotta ask, is this drywall bender you speak of something you developed?can't find anything on it and have never heard of it. Is it a sawhorse and hose. <g>

   Barry E-Remodeler

    

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   brisketbean | Dec 26, 2006 05:53am | #25

   It is an invention of mine, it bends to specific radius, no soaking of the drywall, takes about 5 minutes a bend.

    

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   BarryE | Dec 26, 2006 06:06am | #26

   thanks for the answer, sounds interestinghave you thought about developing it for sale?

   Barry E-Remodeler

    

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   brisketbean | Dec 26, 2006 06:17am | #27

   yes. have had a patent search and secured a patent opinion, both with favorable results, a shortage of funds is all that is preventing me from going forward at this time.

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   brisketbean | Dec 26, 2006 05:45am | #23

   here is one that we made to mirror the canopy bed in the master bedroom

   
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   MSA1 | Dec 24, 2006 07:23am | #11

   From your subject, I was expecting a totally different set of pictures.:>)

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   brisketbean | Dec 24, 2006 08:29am | #13

   such as