specifically, butt cleavage, LOL.
one of the new hires—- i am really happy with–and he seems to be really happy to be here
really–the only thing so far i would change—is the abundance of exposed flesh hanging out.
how am I gonna put a stop to THAT? LOL
current plan is—- ordering long tail T shirts from duluth trading company for the crew—- ya wanna work with us–ya gotta wear the company shirt,
but what if that doesn’t “cover’ the situation?
BTW— this would seem to be one of those things you would think an employer wouldn’t have to even mention–but the guy seems oblivious to it–in FEB!—- kind of afraid what the situation might be like come about July.
stephen
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Wait till summer when he gets a nasty sunburn.
Pete Duffy, Handyman
Google "crack apackle" Good informative video there (safe for work)
Also, Duluth has long-tail "plumber" Ts
Forrest
I was on a job where a "Cliff" had that canyon open all day, and "Bob" ( the names have not been changed to protect any body..) was working above laying a lintle in a new hole..as Cliff we below the taget was evident, Bob dropped a blob of motar dead on target..LMAO.
Solved the problem when Cliff went hyper-ballistic on old Bob saying he did it on pupose, and Bob said well, you didn't have to temp me..LOL
Cliffy was a born agin biker dude..and Bob was an old fart 101 airborn Korea vet..So bob just quoted " Lead me not into temptaion" Cliffy".
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"
Back in my employee days, we had an electrician with the problem. Boss started dropping 16d nails down sparky's butt crack when given the opportunity.
Electrician eventually bought suspenders.
Bowz
BIL worked in a machine shop with one like that. He poured some red chaulk in the valley. A little later the guy came out of the restroom white as a sheet, left and went to the doctor. Figured the end was near. Thought it was blood. Think a fight ensued.
You owe me a wireless key board.ROFLMAO
What's funnier is my non-sleep addled typing..I just re-read it and realized typeing before coffee and no sleep is a bad thing .
Geeze, I'd go back and edit, but it'd take all day.
These freaking puppies are killing me.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"
"the abundance of exposed flesh hanging out.
how am I gonna put a stop to THAT? LOL"
Simple. Cut the crack back 45 degrees each side with a sharp utility knife, fill with Durabond 90. Use adhesive fiberglass crack tape, spackle and feather.
It certainly won't be a problem after that, and other cracks *might* disappear on their own ;o)
Jeff
Like Forrest suggested Crack Spackle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHICY-qztLw
I think duluth sells the long plumbers shirts in a crack spackle cantainer too.
I would just keep putting your pencil in there for storage and telling him you thought it was a handy place to keep it when not in use...hopefully you're not one of those guys who licks the pencil tip before using it.
He'll either get the message real quick...or he'll like it, and then you've got other issues.
J
Stephen,
Are you grossed out by it or are you worried that customers will take offense?
Have you told him of your concerns?
Walter
Are you grossed out by it or are you worried that customers will take offense?
Or is he strangely aroused? NTTATWWThttp://grantlogan.net/
Today we's learnin' about rawks. They's all kinds of rawks. These [picks up rock] is rawks which you throw. These here [throws rock at Rusty] is rawks that you get hit with. E.Cuyler
Grant,
Doesn't seem likely since he's buying garb to cover it up !!!
walter--- if this was new construction---it would be gross--but i pretty much wouldn't care
but since these are all occupied house, usually 40 ft. wide lots--lots of neighbors---all of which are potential customers
it's a concern.In the past- i have always bought shirts for the crews---so if that doesn't take care of it we will have to " face up to it" directly,LOL
I didn't want to have to embarrass the guy if I didn't have to---but I just can't have that hanging out around my customers I am happy with his work--but the customers come first.
stephen
101541.19 in reply to 101541.12
walter--- if this was new construction---it would be gross--but i pretty much wouldn't carebut since these are all occupied house, usually 40 ft. wide lots--lots of neighbors---all of which are potential customersit's a concern.
Get you a big sharpie and write HAZLETT ROOFING across his azz!
dug....working the free advertisment angle
stephen... if you figure this out without anyone quitting, lemme know how you did itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
mike--- that's the problem in a nutshell
it seems hard to believe that this is anything that should even have to be discussed doesn't it.
AND--- he is a guy I would not want to lose, he is productive, personable, we all get along so far---it's all actually been kind of fun
but I can't have THAT waving in front of the customersI have the early jobs this year organized so that some issues like this one can get worked out BEFORE we are in too refined an enviornment.
much as I would HATE to lose this guy----- I have pages and pages of other applicants that I would be happy to try out as well
so----one way or the other-- the issue will resolve itself.
stephen
stephen
i have the same problem... and my customers love the guy
so ... i choose to ignore itMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
tell him directly what the problem is...
this is the way it is...
if an extra long #### doesn't cover...
either have him get himself a pair of suspeders or get them for him...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I agree -- without the man knowing it's hanging out and potentially offensive to the clients and neighbors -- he needs to be made aware.
I can't imagine that that talk would precipitate his wanting to quit.
I wouldn't think he would quit either...
if he does...
that speaks volumes about himself...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
walter-- logically, I agree with you and Imerc.
however
as a practical matter--- I think mike is better in tune with what is actually gonna happen Here is why i think so---------when i was in my early/mid 30's-- I played some softball on an adult mixed league--- actually I managed the team since no one else would do it .one year after the season one of the players, who was a pretty gifted cartoonist----gave me a card he had drawn with a charicature of ME on it.--well-- i am sure you have seen these things--the artist simply exagerates your features--but the essence is YOUwell-the picture was at considerable odds with how i saw myself--and frankly I was kind of pizzed- because it strikes at the core of your self image--but eventually i had to face the fact----"ya know what-i AIN"T 19 anymore!)
so--no matter how nice i might try to be-no matter how i explain how valuable i think this employee can be-no matter how logical we all think this position is------
mike is right-the guy is gonna be pizzed, embarrassed, whatever-and he will likely quit because somebody is effing with his self image.
maybe i am wrong--but i don't think so-- and i gotta do what's best for all of us
i have PAGES of other applicants---they will ,however, have OTHER baggage-baggage that isn't as easily detected/accomodated.
stephen
Stephen,
I just read Mikes post which showed up just before yours. He might be right - other people might not find as much harm in it as you may think.
It's your operation though- so if you feel it might hurt customer and neighbor PR then you'll deal with it and the fallout.
I have a feeling you're a lot like me in that you'd prefer to work solo --- but too many people want you to take care of their roofing needs so you must expand.
Dealing with all the aspects of having employees is the part of the work I don't have as much gusto for as the work itself.
Walter
walter--- in general you are right-- in a perfect world i would continue to fly solobut-- i notice the thing about opportunities-- is that they come in an endless stream. sometimes we recognize them, sometimes we don't recognize them-sometimes the opportunity comes--at a time when it's just not right for us--other times it comes along at the right time in the past i have gone to extremes NOT to have employees, subcontracting OUT an abundance of the last few years in order NOT to have employees and in that process saying "no thanks' to many 10's of thousands of dollars in reasonable profits- i just didn't need or want them.
i still don't need them---in fact i could prettymuch semi retire in the next 12-18 months--but what would i do then?--- people need a balance between work/play
i have some new goals with some scholarships we want to set up--and well- the financial stream is there---if I just stop saying no to it---and i need something to occupy my time--so why not? thing is walter?-- i am kind of afraid to find out maybe i am better at it than i would have given myself credit for---( maybe)--we will see. nice thing is--that i have the option to put my idea into action and find out---instead of just whining about it or moaning"if onlyblah,blah,blah.
gotta run,(litteraly)
stephen
Hazlett, the Duluth long tail T's sounds like a good attempt to fix the issue without confrontation. Only take it a step further and tell all the guys that they will wear these shirts tucked at all times. Tell them that you don't want to see any part of the shirt hanging out at all.Then if that doesn't work, talk to him about it and make sure he understands that its all about a professional image.What about overalls? I like overalls for any type of work. Never have to worry about hitching up your pants.
> Tell them that you don't want to see any part of the shirt hanging out at all.To back that up sew lace on the shirt tails.
If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader
Showing pink lace will get you fired.
Take up dipping and see if you can hit his "spitoon" with your spit.
http://grantlogan.net/
Today we's learnin' about rawks. They's all kinds of rawks. These [picks up rock] is rawks which you throw. These here [throws rock at Rusty] is rawks that you get hit with. E.Cuyler
I swear.....I don't know how some peolpe are so unaware that they're hangin' out like that.
Maybe they just don't care.....but like you said....it's Feb. for crying out loud.
I feel the slightest draft and I'm retucking....for myself....regardless if anyone else is around to have to look at it.
Must say though.....I never seem to mind when I'm around women who seem to have trouble keeping themselves concealed.
Wonder why that is?
Beware the bikini clad female.
She may be interpreted as offensive.
Must say though.....I never seem to mind when I'm around women who seem to have trouble keeping themselves concealed.
Wonder why that is?
'cause your wife ain't around to smack you.
Why do those same women only walk past me when I'm with my kids or wife?
LOL....aint that the truth.
Beware the bikini clad female.
She may be interpreted as offensive.
Aha! You have stumbled onto the "wedded" syndrome.
They know you are "safe" wedded and locked in, they can taunt and tease you with thier wares and wares. You may even get a one night, cuz you have to go home to the family unit and not be seen again.
After my divorce, I kept the ring on..funny, I had more hits with it on, than off..off means you are looking and may be desparate, married shows that you have SOME redeeming social value at least to some one..LOL.
I finally had the ring on my key chain and one saavy girl noticed it, and why ..she was a smart girl..so together we threw it into the Gulf of Mexico one night...just off Daulphin Island,Al.
Cathartic moment..signified an end to a career.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"
I had more hits with it on, than off..
Aint that the truth!
Wife and I were talking about this the other night, while watching that new gameshow where ya answer a bunch of very personal questions in order to progress and win money.
Contestant was asked whether or not she ever takes her wedding band off while out with friends?
Wife snaps me a look, and says "Well????"
I told her quite honestly that if I wanted to get laid while out with the guys, my chances were much higher if I had my wedding band on. Told her that's why "I never take it off"! LOL.
Women are dogs! ; )
Beware the bikini clad female.
She may be interpreted as offensive.
We had a problem like that once. So one worker dumps some icewater down the canyon. That started a fight that resulted in two less employees.
Sooner or later the "plumber's cleavage" is going to offend someone important to your business. And, wearing pants so low that they bind in the crotch restricts movement of the legs. Therefore it's an unsafe practice.
I'd explain both those points to him in private and ask for cooperation.
Edited 2/28/2008 5:21 pm by Hudson Valley Carpenter
Did you ever think how funny it is that a man would pay money to look at at woman's butt crack, but a woman would call a man's BC hanging out gross. The difference between the sexes in a nutshell.
Post pictures of the offense? Mebbe make up some 'Not Wanted' posters?
I do not think it was this one. It looks like the one I saw in HD but the stamp was lower.
Edited 2/29/2008 4:38 pm ET by rasconc
Man, they gonna' git you fer that . . .
Forrest - wavin' bye-bye
Edited 2/29/2008 5:55 pm ET by McDesign
Guess you were right. It was deleted. Do not think it was that bad but it is their sandbox and cannot argue. I champion their efforts.
Appologies to anyone offended, did not show anything other that fairly deep backside valley. Somebody let me know if I am not being blocked. Can not remember what the term was for allowing you to post to nowhere obliviously.
Somebody let me know if I am not being blocked.
You're blocked, man. http://grantlogan.net/
Today we's learnin' about rawks. They's all kinds of rawks. These [picks up rock] is rawks which you throw. These here [throws rock at Rusty] is rawks that you get hit with. E.Cuyler
Actually, I must not be if you got the msg.
Bob, hanging his head in shame.
Your posts show up just fine.=0)
When it rains, it snows.
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Beware the bikini clad female.
She may be interpreted as offensive.
Surely this is a good advertising opportunity.
Get the long tailed shirt and put your slogan on there...
'Hazlett Roofing...We cover cracks large and small'
:)
How's the running going?
Crack Free Roofing co.
running is going great--4 miles every other day
i am pretty happy with that so far-----------since when I started 3 months ago I would walk a lap on a 200 meter track-then run a lap---walk one,run one
at that time I hoped,----- only hoped ------that maybe I would build up to running 3miles at a time by the end of winter. that ended up being easier than I imagined
planning on entering some 5k's this spring and work up to a 10k by summer-- i think maybe there is a 10k race here on the tow path which would be better for my kneesnow--- don't laugh---but I am kind of tentatively eyeballing the Berwick race---- I am sure that thought has you shaking in your shoes, LOL!
I figure---4 miles?-that's almost to the top of that mountain right?-----it's all down hill from there! Of course my times are laughable-really funny--but i am ok with that. I am kind of more interested in the distance at this point--- that I can continue to put one foot in front of the other.
doing this on a 200 meter track is pretty boring though----I have only had one day decent enough to run outside--and that's the day I broke the 3 mile mark. I actually felt at that point I could have gone farther---------so I am pretty sure when I finally get back outside in decent weather I will be able to jump up from 4 miles to 5 or 6 at least as an initial "long" run. still no significant weight loss though.
stephen
<doing this on a 200 meter track is pretty boring though>
Way back, gosh 14 years now, when I was training, I had long runs on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Downtime lunchtime Atlanta, too many intersections to make any kind of time.
108 laps on the 1/9 mile track on top of the Ga. Pacific parking deck.
They give you a clicker to count laps - you don't look for the first hour!
Forrest - old and fat now
forrest,
i am 45 currently
I have tried this several times in the past--but i never got much past about 3 miles at a clip--------but I was younger then and more impatient---and brought myself along to fast--and would get hurt---mostly i think from trying to run EVERY day
so I am limmiting myself to every other day---and picking my surfaces very carefully
when we start back to work full time, my plan is tues. and thurs. morning at 5:00 am( I am a early to bed early to rise kind of guy--always have been)--shooting for a longer run on either saturday or sunday--and depending on work load/rain days maybe,MAYBE squeezing another run in somewhere in the week
from this point forward--- I won't allow myself to ratchet up the weekly milage more than 10% a week----and if I hold together-----next winter maybe i will see about switching to a dailey run.
I AM enjoying it a LOT--despite my embarrasing times,
stephen
Morning Stephen,Excellent! Keep me posted on the races. And, yes, you should sign up for the Berwick race. The hill is about 2 miles long. It starts just before mile 2 and ends right around the 4 mile mark. Then there's a steep descent and from miles 5 to 8 it's rolling hills. Nothing at all steep or long. That all happens at the beginning. My advice that's been hard learned? Don't go out too hard at the start of that race. It's much more fun to be passing people in the second half than feeling like the Thanksgiving turkey :)Weight loss...Not sure how long it's taking you to go the 4 miles, but I generally figure that it takes 45 minutes of a workout to supercharge your metabolism and start eating away at calories. Still riding your bike and swimming, too? If you're getting in 45 - 60 minutes of elevated heart rate exercise a day, look at the amount of calories you are taking in and see where you can cut out some. 10% fewer would probably go a long way.Thanks for helping to kick start my training. Ran 14 this morning with my friend who's hoping to win the 50k national championship this weekend. It's such a nice way to start the day, isn't it?Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
This is typical for BT: Start out talking about crack and end up talking about race.
If your view never changes you're following the wrong leader
Edited 2/29/2008 7:53 pm by DanH
Maybe he's an aspiring plumber. :>)
Gorilla Glue? It would still be there but won't get any bigger
Through tomorrow 29% off an order of $80 or more
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hey--thanks for that link------ i had actually gone through the march catalogue yesterday and tallied up about $400 worth of stuff i was gonna order in the next few days----looks like ordering today is gonna save me a bundle !
stephen
Glad to share!!
this has got to be the most stupid post ever. If the guy does the job, most people understand that sometimes cloths don't fit everone perfectly.
Is his work good, does he show up?
you are showing your prejudices.
If a little crack bothetrs you this much, buy him some suspenders and get over it.
I think yours may be the stupidest.
A. I was telling Haz he was welcome for the link to Duluth deal.
B. I think someone who runs a crew around customers might well be concerned about offending someone. Some are offended seeing nice cleavage on a lady while some of us are grateful. I think his approach of being willing to buy the crew shirts to address the problem without any embabassment to the guy in question was anything but stupid.
C. I guess I am kind of prejudiced, messy smokers, foul mouths, slobs that can't clean up, etc.
Smiles all around.
Edited 2/29/2008 10:25 am ET by rasconc
Edited 2/29/2008 10:30 am ET by rasconc
I work daily with a good tech, he is smart and easy to get along with.
I think he still thinks he is 18 and in good shape. His real age is around 45. He likes to wear his pants so low I swear he uses that magic double sticky tape the women who wear the backless almost front less gowns wear. His pants appear to defy gravity, they hang so low. Almost always wears a dirty tshirt, way over weight with a gut that would do a 9mo pregnant woman proud. I am afraid to follow him up a flight of stairs for fear they will fall down trip him and he will then fall on me. He has shaved his head and wears his "do-rag" in the summer. Quite a sight. He claims the "chicks" go for this "look". I told him he ought to loose weight and get some suspenders, he might have a better chance with the chicks.
I am not small either 237 (down from 280 last summer) and 6'4". I now work out daily on my elliptical and belong to WW with the wife.
Jim
Years ago (long prior to this PC stuff of today) when I worked in the machine shop trade we worked with a guy who had a hard time finding the shower or even the can of deodorant sometimes for 1.5 weeks at a time. It was a small shop in a medium sized company and we were like family as well as the biggest bunch of jokers in the building. We get the idea of placing a bar of soap on his work bench and he'd move it aside. We'd put it back, he'd move it someplace else. He was getting annoyed as time went on. We then started placing more bars on top of his open tool box as well as placing them in the drawers. We were (with the boss mind you) having a ball with this but he never caught on even after throwing the bars across the shop smashing them on the stock racks and walls. Even with tears rolling down ours faces it never registered. He then gets his panties in a wad sniveling that his wife was leaving him. Gee I wonder why?My point is some people just don't get it. It's your company and it's your rules. Shirts might work and a face to face may have him walking . Clearly a written dress code with enforcement is a way but outdoor work is a far cry from an office environment.
rasconc,
thanks for the solid----you just saved me $123.11 kinda felt tlike i shoulda bought YOU something as a thank you--oh well-maybe next time, LOL
stephen
stephen...
in thinking back... all my guys wear the shirts i give them.....every day
so.. i followed your lead and ordered new shirts with the long tail
i won't say anything ... just give them the shirts
and thanks for the heads up on the Duluth sale for Leap Friday
another example of the mind-meld of BT to the rescueMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Suspenders. Of course, with suspenders it's best if the shirt is tucked in too.
And tell the guy, privately, that you don't allow crack onsite, and why. It's not an unreasonable policy.
When you're smilin', when you're smilin'
The whole world smiles with you
When you're laughin', when you're laughin'
The sun comes shinin' through...
Louis Armstrong?
lol
"He said "Buck up baby, it's okay. The sunlight on the floor will always fall." ~ Sarah Harmer
I think you should just talk to the guy. Tell him that respectable appearance around customers is a condition of employment.
Get him a tramp stamp. If you have to look at it it might as well be interesting.
Pop, lock, and drop it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn52Px_h7_8