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   DanH | Sep 22, 2015 10:26pm | #1

   Seems incredibly complicated.

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   junkhound | Sep 23, 2015 07:08am | #2

   Yep, complicated, esp if it take 10 min to explain !

   30 seconds knowing trig and having a calculator (or even a slide rule or table of logs) and one has an accurate square anything.

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   DanH | Sep 23, 2015 08:20am | #3

   And I didn't watch all the way to the end, but it seemed to me like the scheme where you mark the middle of a string, attach its ends to the ends of one wall, then draw a line from the midpoint of the wall to the middle of the string, pulled out tight.  This line is a right angle to the wall.

   There are variations on this scheme using two tape measures.  (The old cloth ones with a loop at the end worked well for this.)  Or use a single tape, anchored at one corner, and draw an arc on the floor.  Do it again from the other corner and where the arcs cross is the centerline.

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   nailbender123 | Sep 24, 2015 05:34pm | #5

   @DanH

   Hello again. Im having trouble deciphering your las post.  ... "but it seemed to me like the scheme where you mark the middle of a string, attach its ends to the ends of one wall, then draw a line from the midpoint of the wall to the middle of the string, pulled out tight.  This line is a right angle to the wall." There is not a string you mark, you mark the line you have already snapped on the plate. (Are you a carpenter?) You don't draw a line you snap it. "This line is a right angle to the wall." What wall? No right angle has been created yet by the way you "explain" it.

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   nailbender123 | Sep 24, 2015 05:37pm | #6

   @junkhound

   @JunkHound. 30 seconds knowing trig and having a calculator (or even a slide rule or table of logs) and one has an accurate square anything.

    Why would I want to go to all that trouble? There is no more work than doing a 3-4-5 method. You have to snap all the lines for the plate as you do with any method which means you have to measure for dimenitions. Takes less than a minute to measure from the 2 corners to find center of the far wall and then hold the tape on the 10' mark (in this case because I used 20' as an overall measurement) and then mark 20'. Now snap the other 2 lines. Do a diagonal measurement to check for square. The only difference in the 3-4-5 method as far as time goes is the 2 measurements I take to find the center on the far wall.

    The simpler the method the easier.

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   nailbender123 | Sep 24, 2015 04:59pm | #4

   @DanH

   "Seems incredibly complicated." Now that's a bit of a stretch.

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   MarkH | Sep 24, 2015 06:00pm | #7

   Sometimes there's a tough crowd here, but they are OK.

   I don't know why sometimes newbies get hazed here.  I watched your video but it seemed complicated to me too and the truth is, I would probably shoot it with a laser.  I wasn't too interested because I most likely won't be squaring a foundation again.  Hang around, most everybody here are pretty good after they know you aren't selling anything.

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   nailbender123 | Sep 24, 2015 06:35pm | #8

   Sometimes there's a tough crowd here, but they are OK.

   Thanks Mark! I think it is because longtime framers don't want to consider that there might be a better way, or something new. 

    I'm not sure why some think it's complicated, they never explain why. Not every one has a lazer, especially a homeowner that are building it themselves. Like I explained in one of my replies, the only extra moves is measuring from 2 corners to find the center on the other wall. That matches exactly the center on the side you measured from.

    Thanks again!

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   nailbender123 | Sep 24, 2015 11:13pm | #9

   Video is what is complicated

   You must not be a framer, no framers use string lines. Framers use chalk lines to snap on the plates. If I made the video shorter, beginners woud be lost. Plus they don't know trig or have a lazer.  It is titled ...like a "pro"..

    Levels, pencils, hammers, hand saws, drill bit's, were invented long ago. Should we stop using them?

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   nailbender123 | Sep 24, 2015 11:34pm | #10

   I like this

   Thanks, your the first person i've ever met that knows this technique. After you snap your lines you just do a diagonal measurement. I've never been off more than 1/8" in hundreds of frames.