this is a ceiling job that I finished in december, and the house is just now being completed, still no columns to give it a finished look.
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That's a pretty neat ceiling job alright. Is it drywall over wood frame?
Bish
Yes it is drywall over wood frame, 1/2 inch drywall.
Gosh that's pretty. I'd almost pay admission to watch someone make that happen.
BB - beautiful ceiling! Fixtures are recond. antiques?T. Jeffery Clarke
Quidvis Recte Factum Quamvis Humile Praeclarum
Sharp!Nice work.what the heck was I thinking?
Beautiful work Brisk'... On a side note, do you happen to know
who makes the light fixtures? I really like those.
Thanks,
Ron R
I don't know who made the fixtures but could find out if you are real interested, they are not antique or anything real special.
If it's not too much trouble to find out, I would be interested. I'm in the
process of restoring a home built in 1910 and am looking for places that
sell ceiling fixtures that might fit that period.
Thanks,
Ron R
Try Rejuvenation Lighting (http://www.rejuvenation.com)....that's not a mistake, it's rustic
Thanks Jeff. They certainly have nice fixtures, but I wasn't able to
find anything I liked for a dining room as well as a foyer.
Ron
You have to post pictures of the framing. My curiousity is killing me to know what that looks like before drywall!!!!!!! :-)
Tim;
I didn't take any snaps of the framing on the cross-vaults, but here is a snap on the framing of a trefoil vault i did about two years ago.
Thanks for the picture. That is very cool. Do you get to do that kind of work frequently? In my area that kind of detail work is rare.
I can't find the link to a picture that someone else recently posted. I did save thepicture, because I might get the chance to frame something similar on the house we are on. Here is the pic.
My question is, and this is for everyone, including the person who originally posted this picture (I'm sorry I can't find you or the link); where the barrel comes into the slope of the roof, is this shape an ellipse or a parabola, or some other shape? If it is an ellipse, then great that is easy to lay out, what would you use for the semi-minor and the semi-major axis? If there are any pictures of the framing for something like this, I would really appreciate it. What tips and tricks are there for framing something like this?
Again I apologize to the person who originally posted this picture for not being able to find you, but great work :-)
Tim Uhler
That was me Tim. Actually my buddy Joe was the lead man on that roof.......I just stood there and said things like......."That don't look right....."........and......"That ain't gonna fit...."........
I have some framing shots. We framed the hip protions first.......left a big hole to infill with the barrel vault. The ribs measurements were taken based on the window that was to go in. The idea that we ended up using was to laminate 2 sheets of 3/4 ply. The first couple were to sit flush at the bottom with the beams. That was on the flat.
Then came the "Pope's Hat". Guess that woulda been a parabola.....not an elipse.......we weren't sure what the final look would be! This one definely came with no prints....only a vague idea which we made work. None of the desing team was real concerned....or the customer......so we just made it work.
The rib measurement as the legs got shorter....was decided by the scraps of ply that overhung the opening...butting into the hip framing........and in the same plane as the furtue drywall. The finish drywall was simply glued and screwed right over the ply in this area.
That's when we discovered that the Pope's Hat would have a point. Bets were placed and money changed hands!
Took a bit of beltsanding to get the radius nice and smooth. Pretty much by eye in the end......but curved pieces of long/thin stock was used for the pencil lines as the ribs went up....and got shorter.
Hope this all makes sense....if not....just ask or email. I'll see if I still have the framing pics. And alot of credit goes to JoeyB ......just incase he's lurking! This barrel vault was his baby.
BTW....we did find out that the inside radius of the barrel was just about the tightest curve ya can cut with a circular saw! The router on a trammel made the template....but the circle cutter was way faster. Jeff She's exotic ,but not foreign, like an old Cadillac......she's a knockout!
Thanks for replying Jeff, sorry I couldn't ask you directly.
I do have a few questions for you. In the "gateway roof framing dark" picture, I can see that you have the ribs landing on a piece of plywood. That piece is what gives you the parabola, but I'm not sure how you layed that out or how I would do it. I understand the ribs. When those ribs start to land on the other roof and they get progressively shorter (vertically) does the parabola just start to show up automatically? I have a "For the Pros by the Pros" Finehomebuilding book on roofs and there is an article about eyebrow roofs and the author just a piece of plywood on the roof the eyebrow was landing on and then with strings or a laser transferred the plane to that piece of plywood and then cut it out. It ended up looking like a bell. Did you do something similar? Lay a full sheet (or two) on the roof and set your ribs of your barrel from the front of it as far as the wall plates would go until they met the plane of the roof they would land on and then "shoot" the plane onto the plywood and connect the dots and cut it out?
I'm looking for a good way to layout that parabola without climbing up onto the roof. Can you help me Jeff or anyone else? Thanks for the time.
Tim Uhler
Tim...the ribs were all cut the same length....then trimmed as they went up......the ply was left long...running wide into the barrel.......and the intersection told us where each part was to be trimmed to.
I'm not sure this would be a true parabola.......as this ended up comming more or less to a point....ala Pope's Hat!....ok...maybe more like a Cardinal??
We started with the FHb eyebrow article...but discovered we were building a completely different animal. In stead of adapting the book........Joe just started throwing up ribs and soon enough we had enough stuff intersecting to gauge the rest off of. I started into it determined to figure a formula to use....and I'm still sure there's one out there that would apply........but as we held this template to that.....it looked like something we could just back into.
Maybe someone can point out the mathematical way.......it was a barrel roof cutting into the slope of a hip.......but a barrel into a gable slope would be the same difference. Curious now.......
If it helps.....I visualized it by holding a can of peas thru a cut I made in a paper plate! Just started with a round hole...and elongated it till the pitch was aprox right and the can was level! Jeff She's exotic ,but not foreign, like an old Cadillac......she's a knockout!
Jeff, I've been following this thread......Love the work........Have you ever wondered how those beautiful cathedrals were built with all of the barrel vault ceilings ages ago......One of the reasons I appreciate all work done by craftsmen/women......
"Parabola" - good word.....
As a perk of the wife's past career..we got to travel thru the UK quite a bit.......some of the cathedrals would just leave me standing there...staring up.......just trying to figure how they even got started!
and all with out power tools! Simply amazing......Jeff She's exotic ,but not foreign, like an old Cadillac......she's a knockout!
sorry Tim, i posted the wrong image, this is the trefoil vault framing pic
That is one beautiful framing job- What were the rafters made of? How long did it take to frame? Is this the type of work you do all the time? I was in awe when I saw that photo-maybe the builder will put one in the next spec house- Keep up the great work-greg in sunny connecticut
greg;
The rafters are 6x2 and osb, it took me about two days to frame with a college boy helper, it is on a 27 " radius and it took me a day to drywall it by myself. I built that particular house, but I do custom ceiling jobs for builders and contractors on a fairly regular basis. The finished pictures of that ceiling are not very good because of the way the customer had me paint it, there is little definition of the different planes in a photo, and like most of my ceiling jobs, you need to be standing in the room to realy appreciate them.
What do you mean by 6x2? If I understand you correctly, that ceiling is a portion of a 3-D ellipse? In the book "Rough Framing", Mark Currie shows how to build one. The drwyall is the part that baffles me.
Brisketbean,
How you get them thar bricks to stay put til the motar set up???!!
NIIIIIIICE!!!!
TDo not try this at home!
I am a trained professional!
You licknstickem and get a hydraulic bond until they set.