Hey Walter –
Thought you might enjoy this. I started a box gutter reline today. Josh is busy with one, Dale has one going and this job popped up. The scaffold was already set and all the carpentry was done (Carpentry was done by a couple of carpenters who normally work for a GC we do a lot of work for. This was their 1st job on their own and they did a really nice job.)
Here’s the 1st pan laid and the male side of the lock is pre-tinned:
2nd pan in place:
Female side pre-tinned and ready to lock:
Joint locked and ready to flatten:
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Here the seam is flattened and ready to solder:
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1st pass:
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2nd pass:
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3rd pass:
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I got all but the center piece on this run done today:
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I tried the "awl" method of holding the pans in place rather than using a temporary nail. Works better - thanks for the tip, Walter.
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Grant,
Looks really good !
You're taking just the cream I see !! All staged , carpentry done , doesn't get any better than that.
Walter
You're taking just the cream I see !!
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Actually I rivet the heck out of them !!
Grant,
Small bay roof I put copper on today. It's got a "v" shaped trough around the perimeter to lead to one spout on the left.
Combination of locked and rivetted seams.
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Sequence of my soldering from sweating the fluxed joint , adding the strength ribs , and lastly dressing both sides of the seam.
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Walter, what's the wooden handled thingy?
Nice looking job.
Mike,
Looked back at post 12 to see what was wooden handled.
You must mean my soldering iron thats heated by acetylene. Keeps the attached iron at a constant temperature saving having to switch irons as you heat them on a plumbers furnace.
Thanks , Walter
No, the U-shaped thing, with a handle that looks like a tile float and two feet that look like old clothes irons. Your soldering iron is resting on it in one of the pictures.
That thar is a "Hand-vil" for beating against to make seams. Wish I had one, they aren't cheap, and very handy.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Mike,
Thats a hand seaming iron made by Stortz in Philadelphia. Made for hand closing standing seam panels. The wooden handle is the soldering device.
the hand seaming iron is all cast iron. Here it's being used as a holder for my soldering device.
Walter
Ah, thanks.
You guys have any details on how you do the downspout? Like the hole and pipe connection and how to seal it?
"It is what it is."
Mike,
Grant probably has some pictures of that situation.
I've got to install the drop on this small roof on Monday so I can take some shots then
Thank you sir.
"It is what it is."
Mike,
I'm out on Vinalhaven and just finished up a gutter job.
A couple pictures of the drop install for you.
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Thank you. I don't know why but the idea of that transition escaped me until I saw your pics.
"It is what it is."
>>>>>>>>You guys have any details on how you do the downspout? Like the hole and pipe connection and how to seal it?Yeah - I'll get some pics as well. I got caught by rain before I got the last seam soldered and any pics taken Thurs and I haven't been back to open it up again. Looks like we've got rain coming 'til Wed maybe.But it's a soldered in tube. I use a hole saw with a long bit in it and bore thru the liner and the whole cornice.View Image
Hey Grant,What do you see from the ground, wood gutters, sort of like crown molding? Copper is for longevity, not part of the finished look?Kevin
What do you see from the ground, wood gutters, sort of like crown molding? Copper is for longevity, not part of the finished look?
You see a typical cornice. Frieze, bed mould, soffit, fascia, crown mold. The only copper showing from the ground is a drip edge above the crown.
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Clean job there.
I used to melt the lil stubs of solder to a new stick so's I'd not have a pile of butts to cart around..you don't do that?
Don't work for G-man, he'd kill ya for wasting solder...LOL.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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their world; warriors have no business
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Duane, I usually do add the stubs to a full bar, but was pressed with rain coming quickly this afternoon , so I just kept grabbing full ones.
They'll get used at some point though.
Walter
I know, I was just crimping your seams..LOL
Lord knows I've been there , hurring up before the boomers start and hanging on to hunks of copper..that there gets scary fast.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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You and Grant, nice!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>>>>>>Don't work for G-man, he'd kill ya for wasting solder..I just got a bucket back rom a job with about 10 lbs of small pieces in it. GrrrrrView Image
Looks good, Walter. But what was wrong with the old roof? ;}View Image
They didn't like the color !!
Love your posts. Always a pleasure to see a master at his craft.
Thought you might be interested in this tool site if you did not all ready know about it.http://www.stortz.com/index.php
Thanks - I kinda crashed Grants thread here , but I guess it's not the first time things have taken a turn.
The hand seamer shown in one picture is a Stortz item. I own numerous Stortz slate rippers -all older ones purchased used. I don't care for the shape and feel of their hammers so I think I only have one - which is only for display.
I own some System Rau tools that I purchased from Stortz and some of their own tongs.
It's great an old company like that can still be viable.
Walter
Nice.
Brandy new Sievert too!
Did A&D's guys go solo?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Did A&D's guys go solo?
Ryan did. He's working on his Master's and needed something a little less structured. Josh (A&D Josh) is helping on the weekends.
This is a total gut and redo in a historic overlay with the HO GCing it himself. Really good guy with a good understanding of sequencing. He reroofed it himself (4 layer t/o and resheath) and it's one of the better shingling jobs I've seen in a while. He'll probably be around here - I've put him onto the Mooney Wall. View Image
Grant,
Looks great as usual!
Is this a riveter?
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Best,
Steve
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Clamp.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Thanks. Now, why that one and not a spring clamp?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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>>>>>>>>why that one and not a spring clamp?Spring clamps probably aren't strong enough or have enough grip on the slick copper. I buy those clamps (knu-vise) in big lots on ebay. I've got some with 18" throats.View Image
Is this a riveter?
What Duane said.
That's part of the reason I showed this operation. Walter overlaps his pans and rivets the hell out of them. I lock mine together and don't use rivets.
Two ways of getting to the same destination. Also, I don't have to go as far up the roof since I'm not dealing as much with ice dams as he is. View Image
Grant,
What are they using for the structure (white in the pic) under the copper? Just wood?
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>>>>Just wood?Yeah, it's pine. The HO primed and painted it. He was gonna paint the ripped edge, but time didn't allow.View Image