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   FastEddie1 | Sep 15, 2003 03:40am | #1

   Great.  Can you imagine what will happen when a hose comes loose, or  a tank ruptures?

   Do it right, or do it twice.

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   goldhiller | Sep 15, 2003 06:42am | #2

   Yikes! Probably won't have to worry about pulling a nail out of your leg if you have an accident. It'll just blow right straight on through.

   I'll bet these things are designed so they won't bounce fire.

   Still......sounds dangerous.

   Knowledge is power, but only if applied in a timely fashion.
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   UncleDunc | Sep 15, 2003 07:04am | #3

   The power delivered at the nail head has got to be pretty similar. Otherwise, the nails would blow right straight on through the boards as well. It sounds to me like the main point is to reduce the size of the gun, starting with the cylinder.

   Somehow it does evoke the image of a supercharged nitro funny Paslode, with flames by Keith. BE THERE!

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   goldhiller | Sep 15, 2003 07:11am | #4

   Yeah, you're right. Wouldn't make much sense would it?

   There's plenty of times when I wish i had about another 25-40 psi, but another 200 psi would be ridiculous unless you were driving in cement.

   Bet you're right about all that.

   Knowledge is power, but only if applied in a timely fashion.

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   BossHog | Sep 15, 2003 08:36pm | #11

   I suspect you're right - They're using a smaller bore and piston to achieve the same driving force.

   I don't see it as being any more dangerous that he typical gun that's used now.The leader can never close the gap between himself and the group. If he does, he is no longer what he must be. He must walk a tightrope between the consent he must win and the control he must exert. [Vince Lombardi]

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   Dinosaur | Sep 15, 2003 07:21am | #5

   Are these things supposed to be run off compressors, or are they fuel-cell models? Are we all supposed to buy new compressors to run them?

   Sure I'd like to be able to frame with my finishing nailer, but even if the chamber is smaller, the rack's still gotta hold all those big nails....

   Dinosaur

   'Y-a-tu de la justice dans ce maudit monde?

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   mike_guertin | Sep 16, 2003 04:18am | #16

   Dino,

   Yes, runs off compressor capable of Hi Pressure.  Special hoses too.  And I think the fittings are different.  I haven't used one yet - just searching for anyone who has.

   MG

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   VaTom | Sep 16, 2003 04:42am | #17

   Last compressor I bought, used IR, was good to 500psi.  First time I've seen a compressor head too big to sit on the tank.  Insufficient cojones here to run it that high.  Hardly portable.PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!

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   TurtleBoy | Sep 29, 2003 07:44pm | #19

   Hey Mike,

   This would be a thread to place in the TOOL TALK. Might even get someone from the Knots forum to add something. Can't wait to see your article on it in the future. They will be having a contractor deal going on at Quaker Lane Tool this Friday and Saturday, maybe someone from Maxx will be there and could talk about it. They call it

   OcTOOLber fest.

   TurtleBoy

   PS How the heck is Mack doing? You got to get him on another cover. 

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   Rocky | Sep 30, 2003 07:21pm | #20

   Can you give me an address for this Tool Talk. Thanks

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   IMERC | Sep 30, 2003 07:31pm | #21

   Look up at the Tauton header.... All the way over on the right under customer service and next to Gatherings is Tool Talk. 

   PS those are all forums.. 

   Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

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   PhillGiles | Sep 15, 2003 09:16am | #6

   Makes sense, lower mass pistons will start and stop faster in addition to placing the nail at higher velocity. 600 PSI is nothing (my SCUBA tank runs 3000 and there's a Eurpean system that runs 5000PSI); but, it would require a large air reservoir (tank) as a start/stop 600 PSI compressor would big, heavy, and expensive; or, a high-volume compressor running a pnuematic recompressor (that's what they use to pump up the high-presure cylinders).

   .

   Phill Giles

   The Unionville Woodwright

   Unionville, Ontario

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   FastEddie1 | Sep 15, 2003 03:37pm | #7

   I didn't realize scuba tanks ran that high.  Don't they have a definate life, and after that the dive shops won't refill them?

   Do it right, or do it twice.

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   PhillGiles | Sep 15, 2003 06:28pm | #8

   You have to have the tank recertified every few (5 years here, your mileage may vary); it's called a "hydro test" (short for hydrostatic test: the tank is over-pressured in a sealed vessel of water to see how much it expands/contracts with pressure) and you have to have the tank visually inspected inside and out once per year. My USD aluminum 80 was registered in 1975 and still passes its tests (but it's now due and I haven't used it since its last test), I've heard a lot of the steel tanks do not make it that long.

   As an aside, we're also required to have propane, CO2, O2, ... cylinders recertified at regular intervals too (10 years for barbeque tanks I think ?)

   edit to add: steel tanks are limited to 2500#, but most shops won't give you more than 2200-2300 because they know it's going to be in the sun or in a car trunk.

   Also, there are all sorts of local, federal, association, and even shop rules - and you, the diver, always have to play by their rules; drive 100 miles down the highway and the rules can be different.

   .

   Phill Giles

   The Unionville Woodwright

   Unionville, Ontario

   Edited 9/15/2003 11:39:46 AM ET by Phill Giles

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   dustmonkee | Sep 15, 2003 07:56pm | #9

   Sounds interesting, Mike.  Doesn't appear anyone has had any experience, though.  I look forward to a review by you in Fine Homebuilding, however.

   Regards

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   TommyB12 | Sep 15, 2003 08:25pm | #10

   I saw the same ad and thought it was interesting.

   I don't know if the possible advantages outweigh the cost of retooling my air tool collection, though.

   I can't think of anyone I know who would switch either.

   I don't think its gonna catch on here.

   Tom

   I'm here to help the humans.

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   JeffBuck | Sep 16, 2003 12:29am | #12

   saw the ad ...

   thought it interresting...

   then realised you'd need that special compressor....

   didn't sound so good then.

   Same thoughs ..... not gonna retool.

   yet.

   JeffBuck Construction   Pittsburgh,PA

    Fine Carpentery.....While U Waite                  

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   GoldenWreckedAngle | Sep 16, 2003 02:23am | #13

   I'll place my bet on it catching on but not too soon. Even a few of you old dogs seemed to have learned the new trick of computer drafting. Talk about re-tooling!Kevin Halliburton

   "I believe that architecture is a pragmatic art. To become art it must be built on a foundation of necessity."  - I.M. Pei -

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   FastEddie1 | Sep 16, 2003 03:29am | #15

   Even a few of you old dogs seemed to have learned the new trick of computer drafting.   Watch it boy, or this old dog will lift his leg on you!  Actually, I started using AutoCad in about 1986 when it was version 2.9 (I think) and was totally keyboard driven...no icons or pop down menus.  Some people would use two monoitors, one for the drawing screen and one for the text (scrolling 'command' line).  Bacxk then you really learned how to maximize the available memory, like freezing unused layers and minimizing regens.   And save real often.

   Do it right, or do it twice.

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   GoldenWreckedAngle | Sep 16, 2003 04:29pm | #18

   I learned AutoCad on version 2.7 in 1987 then I didn't use it again until 1992 when I picked up with version 10 DOS. Wow! It was like going from banging nails with a rock to an air nailer.

   Could the transition to Windows in version 13 be compared to re-tooling to high pressure? Sure had a few blowouts in the process but I wouldn't go back now that the wounds have healed.

   High pressure nailers seem like a great idea but what I'm looking forward to is the day we have nailer gloves controlled by the implanted chips in our brains. Think of what sized nail you want, point at the joint and bang! John Wayne meets Robo-Carp.

   Of course, by then we'll all be living in Cloud Hidden's concrete domes and we won't need no stinking nail guns because the framing will be carbon fiber studs fused together with an ultra high strength adhesive that sets up in 5 seconds and holds forever.Kevin Halliburton

   "I believe that architecture is a pragmatic art. To become art it must be built on a foundation of necessity."  - I.M. Pei -

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   JohnSprung | Oct 22, 2003 02:45am | #29

   Or maybe it'll just be a new function in AutoCad.  In addition to a "Print" menu, you'll have a "Build" menu.  Give it the GPS coordinates, and it builds the house....   ;-)

   -- J.S.

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   UncleDunc | Oct 22, 2003 02:49am | #30

   Excellent idea! When AutoCAD can do that, it'll mean we have the technology that will allow us to download pizza.

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   JohnSprung | Oct 30, 2003 03:30am | #31

   Yes, but as Microsoft operating systems get bigger and slower, the problem will be that the pizza will be cold before we can download it.   ;-)

   -- J.S.

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   blues_hound | Oct 30, 2003 05:36am | #32

   I tried one of thoose nailersin vegas at the international home builders show. I could nail as fast as i could pull the trigger it has a pattened anti double fire system looks like a real piece of work.  The rep in vegas told me it is mainly small crews 1 or 2 nailers at a time.Obstacles are the things you see when you take your eyes from the goal!

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   RobKress | Sep 16, 2003 02:50am | #14

   Oh I get it......

   They make a higher pressure gun to lower the weight cause the higher pressure hose now weighs 87 lbs per foot.  Sounds like a great idea to me.  I'll be getting right on one of those.

   Rob Kress

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   IMERC | Oct 11, 2003 05:18am | #28

   The hose under compression should be about as flexible as rigid pipe. 

   Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

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   bill_1010 | Oct 09, 2003 03:01pm | #22

   they (max) have that nailer you were talking about on their website.

   http://www.maxusacorp.com  They even sell a compressor designed to run both conventional and the new Highpressure gun.

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   mike_guertin | Oct 10, 2003 03:50pm | #24

   Thanks.  Have you ever used one? 

   MG

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   RobertSteele | Oct 09, 2003 10:37pm | #23

   We should be able to bring down the population of varments round the jobsite with these supercharged nailers>My first response is why all the psi but I will like to see one before I burry it behind the barn with that old imported motorbike.

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   mike_guertin | Oct 10, 2003 04:58pm | #25

   I just got word from Chris Green at FHB that Max is sending me a whole HP setup to test out.  The idea with High Pressure tools is that the motors can be smaller and therefore the tool lighter.  The nails won't be projected out any faster - the piston will just be smaller. 

   I'll know more shortly and post my findings.  Who knows, I may bury this one but my guess is it will be well designed.  Max has some of the best engineered tools I've ever seen.  They're like a Porche designwise.  But even a Porche could use some improvements - like lower pricetag.....

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   IMERC | Oct 10, 2003 07:42pm | #26

   The thought of accidently punching a hole in the air line is enough to send chills up the spine. 

   Who ever invented work didn't know how to fish....

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   mike_guertin | Oct 11, 2003 03:26am | #27

   The HP air hoses aren't like ordinary hoses I guess.  More like reinforced hoses used with pressure washers and high pressure paint spraying equipment.  They aren't cheap either from what I hear.

   mg