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   theslateman | Jun 21, 2009 02:32am | #1

   Some more from today .

   After I got the slates off down to the bottom I discovered the old wooden gutter had pulled away so I had to GRK it back as much as possible then use strapping to help secure the boards so my 12 " drip edge could be secured .

    

    

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   theslateman | Jun 21, 2009 02:35am | #2

   Last batch for tonite .

    

    

    

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   seeyou | Jun 21, 2009 02:54am | #3

   I'm not real clear on what's happening here.Alum gutter hooked to wooden gutter covered up by shingles covered with slate? I thought I'd seen some screwy stuff.http://www.quittintime.com/      View Image        

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   theslateman | Jun 21, 2009 03:07am | #4

   I'm going to make it all better ! Except that 26 gauge galvy will be running into alum . gutters hung by ferrule spikes .

   I get some odd ex - repairs to straighten out .

   I'm there again tomorrow so I'll put up some of the aprons and soldering the galvy .

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   stevent1 | Jun 21, 2009 03:20am | #5

   Walter,

   Looks like an interesting job. Thanks for sharing.

   Did you get a new allotment or are these hosted picks?

    

   Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood

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   theslateman | Jun 21, 2009 03:24am | #6

   Chuck ,

   Just a short job to freshen up this roof .

   I'm using Shutterfly to host the pics after resizing with Picasa .

   Then just copying and pasting between two sites .

   Not much more difficult than before and it WORKS .

   Thanks for looking in .

   Best ,    Walter

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   Snort | Jun 21, 2009 03:49am | #7

   Walter, the apron is the 3' starter you've put on other jobs you've shown? I'm presuming it's used to prevent unknown to here ice damming?Did you say why the double gutters? Part of the fascia?I love to see other people work<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com

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   theslateman | Jun 21, 2009 12:55pm | #9

   Snort ,

   Yes the apron is to help eliminate back up , but in this case a way to fix this area without using a lot more large slates and the sheathing being worn . With the way the dimensions worked out there'll be about 25" exposure of the metal once slated back onto the top .

   Copper wasn't used because of it's cost , but it will be a nice repair when I'm done .

   The wooden gutters were covered over quite some time ago  so they added that al . ogee gutter to try and protect the foundation .

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   Piffin | Jun 21, 2009 04:52am | #8

   You wouldn't believe how common that repair was around here. Shingle over the old gutter because it had problems instead of fix or repair it.Then reallize a few years later - Ooops, the runnoff is hurting my foundation...lets put up a cheap AL gutter.I've replaced or restored several of the old wood gutters out here like that. The problem is still owners and caretakers who will not clean the gunk out of them. A guy with a gutter service company and a lift truck could do well if he didn't mind getting his hands dirty a few hours a day. 

    

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   dovetail97128 | Jun 21, 2009 06:34pm | #10

   Got a question for you, ( or any pro roofers). Current job is replacing (literally) fascia and gutters that were torn off due to heavy snows sliding off the roof last winter.
   Here is a description.
   Metal roof (Zincalume, corrugated, Screwed through the high ribs) 8/12 pitch, about 20' of rafter length. IIRC gutters are made in ILL. or IND. (HOH or HON company?, I might be able to find the name later today or tomorrow)
   Galvinized 4 or 5' half rounds.
   Metal gutters are held with separate brackets that screw to the fascia. Brackets have a "tooth" at the back the back of the gutter slips under, they have a half round support under the gutter and a wire clip in the front to lock the gutter to the brackets. Bracket design also cause the gutters to not lay tight to the fascia, clip and tooth arrangement means about 3/8"-1/2" clearance between fascia and back of gutter.
   5/4 Fascia was well nailed every 24" with galv. 16's (screwing it back into place with 3 1/2" screws) , gutter brackets screwed into the fascia with 1" screws (will replace with same except add brackets and where possible use screws long enough to bite into the rafter and blocking the fascia) . Snow slid and in some case tore the brackets loose and in others tore the entire fascia and gutters off.
   Owner now wants me to drop the gutters in elevation so the front of the gutter is below a line extended from the slope of the roof. His theory is that the snow will slide past the gutters when it slides but water will drip into the gutter. I am dubious about that actually happening.
   To compound the problem the roofing over hang is just barely enough to project over the back of the gutter and I am concerned the water will end up falling between the gutter and fascia.
   We deal with these snow events once every 5 years or so , rain is a daily winter issue. Relative to the roof plane at what elevation would you ( or any of your pro roofers ) hang the gutters?

   They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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   seeyou | Jun 21, 2009 06:47pm | #11

   I'm sure Walter will chime in and say they hang below the roof plane where snow is more of a problem. We don't here in KY. I think the fascias may tend to be not as tall here, so we often don't have the option. It probably helps,but doesn't completely solve the problem.We often have to make a "Z" flashing that sets on the top of the brakets when the roof doesn't extend far enough.http://www.quittintime.com/      View Image        

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   dovetail97128 | Jun 21, 2009 07:06pm | #12

   I was thinking of "Z" as a solution. Be a pain to install, but I have a bunch of oversized stuff left from my last job due to change orders. Might be able to have it sliced to a size I can use. This building has large fascia for here , 5/4 x 10 and 5/4 x 8" Thanks for the input.
   They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.

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   theslateman | Jun 21, 2009 10:11pm | #13

   Some more photos of todays session , getting on more drip edge and sheets of apron .

    

    

    

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   theslateman | Jun 21, 2009 10:14pm | #14

   Last batch for today .

    

    

    

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   theslateman | Jun 21, 2009 10:28pm | #15

   These gutters will likely be torn off some Winter soon .This is a 12 / 12 or more with slate and a new galvy apron . The gutters are higher than the projection of the roof plane .

   These were installed a couple years ago , but won't last too much longer now .

   In big snow country they should be hung lower .

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   theslateman | Jun 23, 2009 01:27am | #16

   Trying out my photo capabilities thru the site here.

    

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