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   xxPaulCPxx | Oct 17, 2006 08:56pm | #1

   How much of what are you going to be doing?

   Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA

   Also a CRX fanatic!

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   blue_eyed_devil | Oct 17, 2006 09:37pm | #3

   I'm not sure Paul. I haven't studied the phase I study because the project isn't under contract yet. I'm doing some theoretical budget numbers and projections and I just want a small clue as to the cost and time frame for removal.

   The building involved is an old school, approx 40,000 sq ft. They have already done a phase 1 study and identified all the asbestos. For the most part, the asbestos is wrapped around the vertical pipes supplying the radiators in each room. The exposed stuff has been encapsulated by pvc from the floor to the ceiling. I'm thinking the abatement people will wrap the pipes, cut them loose, then haul them away.

   It sounds simple to me.

   blueOur Skytrak is for sale. It has 500 hrs on it. We want  50k (you pay the freight) and we'll finance it. Drop me an email; it's a good buy.

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   xxPaulCPxx | Oct 17, 2006 10:08pm | #7

   You should talk to the legal hazardous disposal sites in your area, I think you might be charged by the pound for the amount of material you are giving them.  If it is pipe with another layer on top, there might be a break as it is easier to work with, or more because it is heavier.Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA

   Also a CRX fanatic!

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   pdxhandyman | Oct 17, 2006 10:51pm | #13

   I have been involved in several abatement projects including one very similar to the one you are about to undertake. The short answer is that it really depends on many factors and the only way to get a hard figure is by consulting with a licensed abatement contractor or engineer. We did do one project like yours, removed eight pairs of radiator supply lines covered in asbestos from a historic theatre. The abatement contractors were able to cut out the walls behind where the pipe insulation started, encapsulate the covered pipes with two layers of plastic and tape and then cut the pipes where there wasn't asbestos. About 90 feet of 1 inch iron pipe covered in 3/4" thick asbestos was cut out and disposed of for about eight thousand dollars. They didn't patch the walls when they were done but did test afterwards for contamination. If they would have had to cut through the pipes where there was asbestos the cost would have been at least four times that much. Basically the entire work area would have to be enclosed in plastic with negative pressure, filtered ventilation and an air lock area where workers can change and clean up. This work was done in Oregon where disposal fees for hazardous waste were not that high at the time.

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   blue_eyed_devil | Oct 17, 2006 11:35pm | #16

   Thanks PDX. You post is helpful because it represents a real world experience with some real world nunmbers attached to it.

   Using your numbers, I'm going to ballpark an abatement cost of 200k (instead of the original 50k that I was guessing) on the project I'm looking at.

   blueOur Skytrak is for sale. It has 500 hrs on it. We want  50k (you pay the freight) and we'll finance it. Drop me an email; it's a good buy.

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   BossHog | Oct 17, 2006 09:33pm | #2

   You mean LEGAL asbestos removal?

   Or "expedient" removal?

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   The father replied, "I don't know, son, I'm still paying for it."
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   blue_eyed_devil | Oct 17, 2006 09:38pm | #4

   I mean legal abatement.

   I don't plan on spending time in jail to save the eventual homeowners a few thousand bucks...

   blueOur Skytrak is for sale. It has 500 hrs on it. We want  50k (you pay the freight) and we'll finance it. Drop me an email; it's a good buy.

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   IMERC | Oct 17, 2006 09:46pm | #5

   that just killed 2/3 of yur replies and suggestions..... 

    

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   woodway | Oct 17, 2006 11:39pm | #17

   That's a most excellent response!

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   BossHog | Oct 17, 2006 09:53pm | #6

   I thougt maybe you were asking about your own house. Not that I know anything about disposing of asbestos illegally or have ever done it, of course.
   Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground?

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   pgproject | Oct 17, 2006 10:11pm | #9

   I did it once for my own building- removed sheets of asbestos paper that was behind sheet metal on the garage walls- early fireproofing. Followed the advice of a pro abatement company. Wore a suit and respirator, removed the sheet metal, wet down the asbestos w/ sprayer, carefully rolled and bagged it, took it to the hazardous waste facility. Saved probably $20,000. I believe there's not much danger from this one-time exposure. I would think liability issues would prevent doing this kind of work for a client.BIll

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   rjw | Oct 17, 2006 10:10pm | #8

   Check with some Asbetos remediation companies and industrial hygenists.

   The IH's design the program, the contractors put it into execution.

   Anything and you may as well hand over the keys to your house on such a large project.

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   blue_eyed_devil | Oct 17, 2006 10:13pm | #10

   I absolutely will be dealing with licensed contractors.

   I'm just trying to figure out whether I should be budgeting 50k or 500k or 5000k for this project.

   I would like a primer from someone who has actual experience.

   blueOur Skytrak is for sale. It has 500 hrs on it. We want  50k (you pay the freight) and we'll finance it. Drop me an email; it's a good buy.

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   rjw | Oct 17, 2006 10:50pm | #12

   From the seminars I've been to, there is too much variety in techniques and needs to ballpark.Encapsulation is the least expensive and favored, but there are times it isn't the sole solution.

   Sounds like you're into an interesting project

   Youth and Enthusiasm Are No Match

   For Age and Treachery

   Edited 10/17/2006 3:51 pm ET by rjw

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   blue_eyed_devil | Oct 17, 2006 11:33pm | #15

   Encapsulation will become the necessary evil if abatement proves too costly. Fortunatly, the encapsulation will be relatively easy due to the locations of the vertical pipes containing the asbestos. I'd prefer to abate simply because I'd like to provide a clean enviorment as well as eliminate the need to warn and disclose for future owners.

   blueOur Skytrak is for sale. It has 500 hrs on it. We want  50k (you pay the freight) and we'll finance it. Drop me an email; it's a good buy.

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   Hiker | Oct 17, 2006 10:29pm | #11

   Blue,

   The doctor's office we did last year had an asbestos abatement performed.  The 3000 sf building cost $25,000.  The building was built in 1960 and had asbestos in the drywall, joint compound, flooring, mastic and a minor amount of insulation. 

   The big ticket item will be the monitoring.

   All the environmental companies I have dealt with in the past are now out of business or have been bought by others.   As a rule of thumb, the larger the company, the more expensive the work will be, but they will probably do a better job on the paper work side. 

   Good luck

   Bruce

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   blue_eyed_devil | Oct 17, 2006 11:29pm | #14

    

   Bruce, you post sounds encouraging compared to the 8k for the 90' removed in Oregon.

   blueOur Skytrak is for sale. It has 500 hrs on it. We want  50k (you pay the freight) and we'll finance it. Drop me an email; it's a good buy.