The painter finally painted the kitchen I built for a client. It has been quite a process, but I finally have some pics to share. (Thanks to my DW the photographer)
The only thing left is the leaded glass panes for the pantry and fridge. I would have chosen a different finish, but the client is thrilled.
We did the design work, moved the kitchen into what was the dining room and created a master suite in the original location. Design layout in collaboration w/ client, (client changes wanting microwave cupboard next to sink).
Cabinet design based upon Habersham kitchen design. Blumotion doors and drawers. Built crown by hand, (added rope), turned top and base for rope columns. Scrolled door panels, etc. Definitely a learning experience.
Ott
p.s. if anyone could give me pointers on how to imbed pics on a mac, I’d appreciate it. 🙂
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Very nice work!
October 17th, 2009
Jeremy and Lisa
Was there ever any doubt?
The finishes really compliment the design and bring out the detail perfectly! Client has to love it, its freaking beautiful.
Very nice work a little too ornate for my taste, less is more for me. But good craftsmen ship.
She must not have small kids at home.
Wallyo
ott... nice... i'd show you , but i'm working on a mac and don't have a cluewhen i go back to my windows machine, i'll take another lookone tip...try and keep it to a max of about 4 pics per post.... it helps the flowMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Very nice work indeed!
Thanx for sharing.Chuck S.live, work, build, ...better with wood
Wallyo,Correct! no small kids, just occassional grandkids.Ott
I would hate to clean chocolate and ketchup the beautiful details that a house of little ones would leave behind. Again good job.
I would hate to clean chocolate and ketchup
That is how true patina is created over the years. ; ^ )
To the original poster; beautiful work. Mike
Small wheel turn by the fire and rod, big wheel turn by the grace of god.
tell me about the deep windows........ what is the wall?
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as far as embedding goes
it's easy on windows... you open the pic....right click... then choose " copy"
then you "edit " your post..... go to where you want to insert the pic and do a"control V" ( paste )
my problem is... i don't know how to make a MAC do that yet
Mike,The window frames are about 10-11" deep. The house was damaged in a fire and we've been handling the redesign, trim work, tile and cabinetry. The original walls were hollow brick w/ a brick exterior and then the framers came in and built a 2x4 wall inside of that and insulated. It was a lot of fun building the casings after they installed the windows referencing the exterior brick instead of installing them plumb. I had to taper each corner of the casing to get a good fit. It should have taken a day or two and it took over a week. Thankfully I was on T&M. I rebuilt the burned out section of stairway and matched the orignal door and window molding. I took some time out for another project and will soon begin building arched interior doors for this one. (my first try at interior doors, we'll see how it goes)As far as the imbeded pics, I've tried a variation of the "Window's" method, but haven't had much luck.Ott
Speechless....Beautiful work
Awesome work! Where did you get your columns and corbels If you don't mind me asking? How was the painting done to get that finish? I'm guessing 50 to 60 K? High, low?
Constructing in metric...
every inch of the way.
I ordered an 8' section of bernini style rope through the local ProBuild, and turned the top and bottom pieces for the post myself, and the corbels and corinthians were ordered through Hardware Resources. I made the base and crown myself as well. The Painter used a piece of sandstone w/ some crystals on it to distress the cabinets, then after painting used an antique glaze then a top coat I think. I've known the client and worked for them off and on over 10 years, so the entire job has been T&M. The kitchen was based off of a $180,000.00 Habersham kitchen. (yes, that is the estimate I got and I built more pieces and better construction) Labor and materials wound up somwhere around 35-40K by the time everything was built, installed and painted. (that might not include enough to cover the framing, plumbing, and electrical done because of the fire rebuild)If someone else wants one, it will probably be in the 50-60K range for just the cabinetry painted and installed. It was quite the learning experience.Ott
That's impressive work. nice job! Really.Clive Christian kitchens are similar ...that cab set would run $80k -100K and up...easily.With appliances, and flooring, etc, I'd be shocked to hear it cost less than 100KJake Gulick
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Looks nice. How many pieces is that crown moulding?
Family.....They're always there when they need you.
The crown is 4 pieces in all. I could have order the same profiles through a local lumberyard, but the right sizes weren't available. I made the cove on the table saw and the rest on table mounted router. The rope was easily available so it was purchased. I couldn't imagine trying to make that part. The rest was pain enough. I only needed 50' so I thought it would be easier to just make it rather than ordering the blades for my woodmaster which would have been about $300.00. Next time someone wants something similar, I'm ordering the blades.Here's a side pic of the crown.
50 feet on the tablesaw!?!?!?!?Jeez, I've done custom coved blocks that way, and it takes awhile to do 3 feet! How long did THAT take!?Jake Gulick
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I think I figured it was about 16 or 20 passes on the saw to get that depth. It took about 3 to 5 min per pass per 10' board. So, it was about 6 hours total for just the cove. It was the first time I had tried a larger quantity of cove like that and certianly took longer than I had hoped. Sanding the saw marks off was the biggest pain. I tried several methods and I think I finally wound up using the MultiMaster to rough sand, a scraper to clean up and hand sanded the remaining marks. Like I said earlier, definitely ordering blades the next time. I still wound up in the same pricing area for the client if I had special ordered something similar through the lumber yard. I got paid for my time, and I didn't have to wait two to three weeks for it. As for the price, It took me about 9-10 weeks of time to actually build all of the kitchen and I did it by the hour. I had many many hours in planning how to build it that I didn't charge for. The kitchen was for some friends of many years and I got to build a fancy kitchen and try some new things without running the risk of losing my shirt. The kitchen it was based on was estimated at $180,000.00 but would have only been $115,000.00 after the Mathis Bros. discount. :-) That wouldn't have included the pantry or the desk/table, or the cornercab for the sink.Ott
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Edited 2/1/2009 12:03 am ET by ottcarpentry
Ott,
That's some of the nicest work I've seen. It puts "fine" back in the name of the magazine.
Thankfully the painter did a nice job. Nice depth to the finish with the distressing, paint and glazing.
Big kudos to you on that. The pics were worth waiting for.
Very nice, you definatley should charge more. do you have more pictures of building the cabinets
I didn't take very many pics while building, but I did take pics during the installation. Here's a few
...and here's a few more.
I realized I didn't have a good pic of the desk/table. I was a bit proud of myself for coming up with the solution I did for the clients wishes. The desk pulls out to make a table where they can sit and eat when it's just them and folds away when they have company. I managed to make it where the table top lifts and is flush with the desk top and is rock solid! Down the road a bit when the rest of the project is done, they plan on having me build a fancy corner top for the desk w/ fluting and arches etc. Ott
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Here's a few pics of the bathrooms we did for the same project. Three baths total, two in white marble and one in brown marble. Here's the Master bath.
...and the two upstairs baths.
Hey Rez,You seem to know all things BT. Is the beta gallery that was being promoted lately only through Fine Woodworking or is there a Fine Homebuilding version, or is it something else?ThanksOtt
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man, I don't know. Truthfully never heard of the beta gallery thru Fine Woodworking.
As for knowing all things BT I must be too mouthy and spend too much time on here to be giving that appearance,
but I suppose being one of the 'bump' men for forgotten threads and sometimes having a tag line linking to a forum photo index might appear that I know something when in reality I'm just as lost to the goings on around here as the next guy.
That photo index site was just a labor of love in appreciation to this Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime as my way of attempting to give something back as I lack the lifetime knowledge many posters impart to these cyber halls.
I would recommend posting to RDA with your question as her being moderator and an employee of Taunton might be able to answer your query.
Cheers
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I was remembering something posted in the gallery about a month ago, I thought it was from Tauton, about asking to post things in a new gallery. I assumed it was meant for BT'ers but the one I found was in Knots. Here's the link.http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/Gallery/GalleryHome.aspxYou're alway kind enough to repost so many pics for others I thought you might be up on it, or involved in some way. It seems some BT'ers have posted in that gallery, I just wondered if there was a new gallery for us here, or if the earlier post I was remembering wanted us to post there. Thanks for the reply.Ott
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great work! pretty sure I'd miss the toe space on the cabs without it but it sure is fun to look at.
I think this is the photo gallery you're looking for.http://finehomebuilding.taunton.com/item/3658/instructions-for-using-the-gallery-beta
You gotta go to the FHB site and scroll down looking for it.
Thanks John,That is what I was remembering. So, I wonder why Knots has an easy link on the top menu bar, but there isn't one here?As for the toe kick, there is toekick space under the sink and on the back side of the Island and infront of the stovetop. I offered to do the same elsewhere, but they prefered the base.Otthttp://www.ottcarpentry.com
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I think there's different web designers involved, if they're really designers to start.
I think the photo folder here at BT is more useful to me since it's interative, we can ask you questions about your project your posting photos of and you can grace us with an aswer. Not so with the gallery. I also think we're more apt to discolse our screw ups here on the BT photo threads so the rest of us can learn from other's mistakes (I think we learn faster from mistakes, and even faster if we can use other's mistakes). So if you're goiing to post there, pleae keep posting here.
I did get wowwed with the spice racks/pullouts hidden behind the large ropes on either side of the oven/stove. Very cool idea.
very nice.
I will most definitely continue posting here. I've posted a couple of pics in various threads, but this is the first time I've posted to share my work. The compliments and support have been wonderful and greatly appreciated. As someone who generally works on their own (my FIL is my right hand man) I don't often have the opprotunity to talk to or chat with "peers". BT has been a great place to learn from and to virtually rub shoulders with others in my line of work has been a joy and blessing. It's wonderful to get positive feedback, and have the opprotunity to share parts of my journey.Thanks,Ott
John, I recently built a similar kitchen (in that it was all custom, built on site, etc) and I handled the toe kick situation in a like manner. In key areas, it was put in in a "furniture manner", and other areas were done baseboard style. In the time I spent using that kitchen, it seemed fine, and the owners are reporting it works fine.Jake Gulick
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CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
Do you have some pics of your toe kicks? (the kitchen too of course) ;-)
Ah, I may remember what you are referencing now. I believe somewhere on here there was a post announcing that photo thing and requesting BTers to post to it. General Discussion or Photo Gallery perhaps?
Seems in overview it wasn't really received that well around these parts, too much like trying to reinvent the wheel if I recall correctly, some adopting that type of posture.
If it's not broke why fix it kind of thing or something similar, regarding the potential lack of interaction over the pics like Bt receives among it's members.
seeyou invented the wheel
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Your stuff looks great, but god that shower is SMALL, home owners size challanged. And whats with the shower door (framed) destroys the whole room IMO.
The shower isn't quite as small as it looks, it does have about a 36"-38" diameter space even w/ the door closed. I agree that the door looks bad, I didn't install it. We cut the 2x2 tiles for the floor out of the 12x12 marble. I had proposed different design ideas that were a better use of space, but they insisted on this layout and the shower suffered to make things work. I don't know why the framers lowered the ceiling over the shower. I hadn't intended it as a design feature, but when I showed up to do my part, that's the way it was. As always, I did the best I could within the parameters allowed. The homeowner acted as project manager, w/ a GC heading up demo, framing and the subs. I was a separately contracted sub for design, finishwork, and tile.
Hey Mike,I just finished up the last coat of finish on the floor a little after 9pm. I've resized some pics of the progress so far on this latest kitchen remodel. I didn't want to hijack the other thread, so I posted them here.The kitchen was a small galley type that had been redone in the last few years. It looked fine, and was built in place w/ granite counter tops, but was terrible to try to work in. We moved a 1/2 bath into what was a hallway, and opened up between the kitchen and breakfast nook. It took the kitchen from an 8x10 space to approx. 14x19, and you don't have to sit side saddle on the comode anymore in the bathroom.The workmanship on the old kitchen was terrible. One of the doors had aready fallen apart, and all of the cabs were assembed with only 16ga finish nails. The cabs were installed over the original plaster walls with large portions of plaster missing. In one pic you can see that brad nails through the 1/4" back were the only thing holding a large upper cab set on the wall.Here's the first set of pics.Ott
makes you wonder how some people make it doesn't it? workin late on friday whats up with that? keep em comin. :)
I forgot to mention that this is actually my kitchen, so working this late isn't too much of a strain. I did all of the plumbing and rewiring myself as well because it's my house.We had some old flooring left by the previous owners from the upstairs bath remodel which worked for the floor repair. The original builders didn't run the subfloor onto the floor joist for some reason where the old plumbing was run. It was kind of scary how much the floor flexed. I removed the bathroom flooring and cut back the other flooring for the repair.Also, the area underneath the sink was rotten along with the sillplate, so we fixed that as well.Here's some more pics of the process.
We tried a different approach to insulating this time and I was happier with it than I have been before. We used some of the lath we took off the walls and installed it in the stud bays. One on each side and one in the center to allow for air movement. Then we installed 3/4" polyboard and r-13 on top of that w/ a plastic vapor barrier. We removed the upper sash weights on the windows and put three layers of polyboard along the windows which left room for the lower sash weights to still fuction, and spray foamed everything else. It appears to work wonderfully. We had some really cold weather when we put the polyboard in and it made a suprising difference.Here's some more pics
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Here's the most recent pics from yesterday after the first coat of floor finish. I took a few to help show the layout of the room. The walls are smooth finish and there is plumbing for 3 sinks. Although, part of the design has changed and I will be running plumbing for a fourth. There will be two prep areas, the small alcove will have a dishwasher with a wall oven above it. There will be a narrow cabinetry area next to it w/ an 18" sink for morning food prep. Coffee maker, toaster, blender, etc. The bay window will have 30" deep cabinets in front of them.I'm off to work on a cabinet for the dining room that will help store stuff from our temp kitchen and make the process moving in to the new kitchen easier.
I was going to ask what you were doing for a kitchen. I hope your not like me and leave your own work sit when the chance comes to make real money. :) It always gets done eventually. Can't wait to see more.
Here's our temp kitchen. My MIL is a miracle worker to make us meals everyday in such a space. Between 4 adults and six dogs, it can get real cramped real quick. However, we have saved a ton of money by always having a functional kitchen. We've done it the other way eating out, or microwaving everything while remodeling, and it got real expensive, real quick. It has been about a year since we set up the temp kitchen to begin the remodel. The other job I posted pics of is what took over most of my time. We have limped along here as well as we could, working on other areas of the house as well, but now were makin' progress. God willing, we'll have the new kitchen up and running in about a month.
your a heck of a guy to have his inlaws and six dogs in the house. My inlaws relocated here from az four years ago and lived with us for about for months till there house was finished. man that took some ajusting.
I know most people have trouble w/ the inlaws, but mine are great. I get along better w/ them than any of my parents or step parents. I have them to thank for me turning out as well as I have. I'm sure I would have been dead in the gutter somewhere if I hadn't married my wife when I did. Her parents are loving and supportive and have given us many opprotunities I wouldn't have had. They cosigned on my first woodworking tool, a Shopsmith. Little did I know I would head down this path and am happy to be here. We've lived in and restored three houses over the last 13 years. By pooling our resources, we've accomplished more than we would have apart. Two of the dogs showed up on our doorstep and have become part of our family. We also have a total of 5 cats, all are rescues. The last three were only two weeks old when got them. Their mother had given birth at the local lumberyard, and was found dead the morning I went to pick up some lumber. It was during the summer when we were reaching over a 100 degrees. I knew they wouldn't survive the day so I called my wife and told her to get ready.I don't have a recent pic but here are a few.
I have three girls and a boy and they all love cats. at the beginning of spring last year they had all found stray kittens around some of my properties and each on thought they had to have one but we live close to a busy road and by the end of summer all our cats had disappeared. so i'm sure we'll start over come spring. :)
We live in town on a corner lot, the street in front of our house is one of the more popular cut through side streets. Our eldest cat got hit last year, we saw it happen and were able to get there quickly. Thankfully, she only got a broken jaw and nose, and is doing fine now. We let the two older cats roam the property, but the kittens (teenagers) are relagated to the basement until we finish the fencing and gardening around the property this spring.
We removed the 14" glulam they put in place to open the wall up. The biggest problem was that there was no support under one end of the beam in the basement. It had already sagged about an inch pulling down the middle of the second story floor along with it. We pulled it out and put in a triple LVL across the whole span. We recessed into the ceiling joists, sistered additional 2x8's to reinforce the joists and installed joist hangers, as well as placing proper support in the basement.
Nice work!
I do kitchens, too, and have some questions.
Is site finishing common in your locale?
What do you pay a painting sub to do a job like shown?
How much time does he take, start to finish?
Zargen drawers in those spice pullouts flanking the range?
Enkenboll?
How many kitchens do you produce per month?
Are you basic in everything? Or do you outsource some components? If some, which ones?
We get our fronts, dboxes, moldings, and related parts all prefinished, and from Scherr's, Walzcraft, or Conestoga. Glazed speckled antiqued finishes like what you show are available, but most all here want their woodgrains showing.
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Gene Davis 1920-1985
comon gene ,show us some of you work
Hey Gene,I'm a small outfit, it's more of a family business. My passion and talents lie in this area and it's where i've found enjoyment. I enjoy the challenge of the project. My FIL is my helper, he's dependable and honest and someone I can rely on. My MIL is a wonderful artist and designer, she can literally create a "feeling". I get to figure out "how" to do it and my creativity comes in the building.As a business, we specialize in historic restoration, renovation, and remodeling. I do tile work, custom cabinetry and trim. If you look at my website, you can see a couple of houses we've redone and the work involved. Personally, I prefer the finish carpentry and custom cabinetry portion, but we do everything except foundations and roofs. Foundations because several other people do it more often than I, and roofs because my insurance would prefer I didn't. I'm not specialty liscensed for elec., plumbing, and HVAC. (I do those on my own house though.)Now that you have a some back ground my answers may make a bit more sense. Depending on design, i've built kitchen's in 3 weeks and, because of changes and other factors, this last one took me about 9-10 weeks. I don't outsource anything, and I order carved pieces like corbels, rope, corinithians. Being a small outfit I invest in equipment to make our work more efficient, and I like figuring out how to create it myself. I usually do the finishing myself unless the client wants to do it to save some money, or they have a painter they prefer. On this last kitchen, the clients' son was a painter. They painted the interior in the garage prior to install, and finished the outside onsite. I know the interior cost around $800-$900, and the exterior took their son and his crew about 4 days. I believe site finishing for custom cabs is more common around here. I typically do the work myself or have the client arrange what they want with another tradesman. I stay away from "subbing" simply because it's less of a headache for me.The spice racks were ordered through Woodworker's hardware, however, I would build my own in the future.And the corbels and Corinthians were ordered through Hardware resources.The Drawer glides were Blumotion through WWhardware, and the doors have Blumotion softclose attchments on the hinges. The clients love them. There's never a sound of a door or drawer closing.I think I anwered all of you questions, if I didn't or there's anything else, let me know.Ott
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I second Mike, post some pics.