Playing with this today at home. Great Aunt’s old French fountain. Pouring a 93″ OD X 77″ ID X 5-11″ deep level ring; liner sheet goes inside that on a sand bed; fountain on riser so its base is just at the water line. Liner laps over the 8″ wide top of the concrete ring; dry-laid old brick from Great-Great uncle’s brick factory in Asheville laid around the concrete ring to anchor the liner sheet.
Fountain – partially disassembled – needs re-plumbing – it has HAND CUT screws!
Yes, it’s laser flat! 3/16″ Masonite wraps the ID down to the dirt, then the inner form goes in
Forrest – sweaty – she would have to have it in an old driveway bed . . .
Edited 7/8/2007 4:48 pm by McDesign
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What? not done YET? (G)
Cool looking fountain.
Her first name wasn't Annie, was it?
Rebuilding my home in Cypress, CA
Also a CRX fanatic!
Parenting has always been a mix of sage life advice and inexcusable laziness.
Hah! Even funnier - her name was Fannie Darby, and she married Robert Bunn.
So, Fannie Bunn.
Forrest
Title implied some good Victorian Erotica!
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Had a ball today with my weekend crew!
Don't worry; he's just practicing reading a tape - no sawing yet!View Image
Suspended the centered inner form; screwed in little studlets every 8" down to just brush the groundView Image
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Removed and wrapped the inner form; trimmed the masonite to kiss the ends of the studs.View Image
Right at 20 bags - note there is wire in there - scrap 6x6 WWF from tomato cages of death. Also note I try to dress nice for y'all!View Image
Screeding and striking practice!View Image
Finished in time for supper!View Image
Forrest - also rebuilt a blown-up carb today; I had some extra time
Edited 7/15/2007 7:53 pm by McDesign
"also rebuilt a blown-up carb today; I had some extra time"
hehehehehehehe... ain't no braggin' rights there, especially with all that great help!
'pends on the carb... briggs = 'bout 20 minutes, rochester quad = bout 20 more. ;)
Troy Sprout
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should also have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." -- George Washington
Edited 7/15/2007 8:42 pm by Hackinatit
probably a double pumper holley, and he even bothered to syncronize the squirts just for fun. :DA medium to large guy named Alan, not an ambiguous female....
NOT that there is anything wrong with that.
Yeah; I just blew the power valve on a Holley (4165) after a fun run up thru the gears and a big backfire on letting off.
Had all the parts but one bowl gasket. First time that happened to me - just dumped in tons of fuel at idle and chugged like crazy; cleaned up fine once I really got on it and the high-speed circuit was supposed to work.
Diagnosis was the hard part - finally learned from some of my buddies over at the Cadillac hot rod site to close both idle screws; if it still idles (sorta'), it's getting fuel from somewhere!
Forrest - still like cars better than mud
WOW...cool...I don't even have to work...I can just watch from my puter. Good job son. Very neat...no, not you dummy...the project!
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Done 'dat.
be a recovering hotrodder... stillTroy Sprout
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should also have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." -- George Washington
Did the crew pull the forms today?
jt8
"If you can't sleep, then get up and do something instead of lying there and worrying. It's the worry that gets you, not the loss of sleep." -- Dale Carnegie
Not yet - just got back from jury duty voir dire - got picked for a drug trial starting Thursday. I knew I should have told the DA I was in favor of legalizing crank!
maybe pull the forms after supper - hard day sitting on my can reading O. Henry
Forrest
You're supposed to slip in comments like, "I think we should bring back hangings." jt8
"If you can't sleep, then get up and do something instead of lying there and worrying. It's the worry that gets you, not the loss of sleep." -- Dale Carnegie
<I think we should bring back hangings." >
I know, I know - I just choked . . .
Judge is a family friend since he gave me his chemistry set when I was 7 and he was 12, and the one that I had in my civil trial last year, and the one that married my brother at my parent's last weekend. weird.
Forrest
so when he ask "Do you think he quilty" hell yes judge, you got a 135 police officers as witness, doesnt matter if he innocent, he getting the chair. Ok, thank you Mac, next.
Okay - told the crew, "get out of that $%^&$# tub, JohnT8 wants to see it done"
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Kids were actually kinda' upset that all our careful carpentry was so unceremoniously ripped up! Gonna' have to be a "fort", it seems
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Forrest
Edited 7/16/2007 6:46 pm by McDesign
Okay - told the crew, "get out of that $%^&$# tub, JohnT8 wants to see it done"
LOL, it just looks like a fire pit at the moment.
Gonna' have to be a "fort", it seems
I was thinking "tree house" but to each their own. ;)
jt8
"If you can't sleep, then get up and do something instead of lying there and worrying. It's the worry that gets you, not the loss of sleep." -- Dale Carnegie
Edited 7/17/2007 10:06 am by JohnT8
I can hear it now,
"MaaaawwwMMMEEE daddy wants you to come out and see this $%^&# tub , please."
I can see the bite marks on the back of Forrest's shorts fromm all the way up here in the hills of Vaginny.
Okay - old liner in and trial-filled last night with the kids; held water overnight.
Got up early to experiment with great-great-uncle Bunn's old bricks and iron fence.
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Forrest - workin' in the dark
Yeah, that really is too dark, but it was before seven
Edited 7/21/2007 7:28 am by McDesign
Cool project.
When the kids are grown they can say 'I helped granpop build that in '07'.
Did that fence always go with the fountain? The fence looks like it grew there and they look about the same vintage.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Not sure where the fence came from, but it was always around it in my memory. Fence is mild steel, though, so not too old.
Forrest
If you use Irfanview, you can hit "Shift G" and change the gamma setting to lighten up a picture.
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The BEST part of waking up is hitting the snooze button and going back to sleep.
Thanks - I'll use that. 'Course then I can't brag about being up early on a Saturday piddling!
Forrest
Got the fountain dis-assembled. Reworked pretty well 15-20 years ago, but with some iron pipe and steel bolts - all gone. Lots of mineral buildup, too.
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Forrest
Edited 7/22/2007 5:26 pm by McDesign
Fantastic work!
I've got a pocket full of pennies waiting for you to finish.
jt8
"If you can't sleep, then get up and do something instead of lying there and worrying. It's the worry that gets you, not the loss of sleep." -- Dale Carnegie
Great! I'll tell the kids. I'm trying now to decide how to make adjustable spray nozzles so I can fine tune the effect "after the fact". I think I can braze fittings into 3/8" pipe nipples that will take Holley carburetor jets - they're brass!
Forrest - thinkin' outside the box
Okay, I'm dying to see the finished product. When do you think that might be?
Now you know what Bambam has to hear all the time!!!!
Seriously, that fountain is awesome and I really do want to see it finished.My brain + his brawn = a perfect team
Soon! I got the pump rebuilt and working; it's sitting in the empty pool spurting into the air. Hope to get the fountain re-plumbed this weekend.
Stay tuned -
Forrest
Thank you very much for the update. I will be waiting patiently.
My brain + his brawn = a perfect team
Building the new distribution manifold. The end fittings will allow me to access 1/8" copper tubing nozzles outside the fountain shell, but under the lion's heads.
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Have to do final assembly inside the fountain
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I'm putting in all new fasteners in stainless steel. Just tried it pumping in the yard; now need to figure the side leg restrictor size to force more water up the top spout.
Forrest
Edited 7/27/2007 3:19 pm by McDesign
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looks like it's coming along nicely. Kids ready to help finish?
Cute pics by the way.My brain + his brawn = a perfect team
Back to my weekend(s) project. Working on leveling the bowl relative to the pedestal.
Made a pad of Bondo that I could file level and perpendicular witf the shaft (see how much the original flange is warped down on the right side). Drilled new holes 45º rotated; tapped for new bolts.View Image
Used my new 2-for-1 grinder (Bosch Home Despot deal) to Chinese machine the mounting pad parallel to the surface of the bowl - it was 3/8" out from high corner to low corner of the bowl. Blue tape was the high spot.View Image
Forrest - getting close
Edited 8/4/2007 1:43 pm by McDesign
Forrest,
You be moving right along on that fountain. Looks good.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
I gotta get me a shop!!
"chinese machine"
sounds like just another day at Electric Boat
nice work........ i really liked the concrete formwork .. elegantMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Thank you sir - I'm honored! DW and I were just looking at your hydronic slab work.
Here's the completed restoration tonight - bowl leveled; re-fastened with all SS fasteners; re-plumbed with brass; and buttoned up with sealant, ready to set in place. Pump is underneath; a hose will go to a large square intake filter.
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Forrest
Edited 8/5/2007 8:56 pm by McDesign
Wow again. Man that is awesome! Nice work. Great to restore something that old to working condition!My brain + his brawn = a perfect team
Probably putting WAY too much thought into this! But, it's ours, and who's in a hurry?
I wanted the fountain to be as tall as possible, so I made this base that sits 1" under the surface, and is about 3/4" larger in diameter than the base of the fountain. The pump will fit inside this sub-base, and the (6) holes match the (6) arches in the base of the fountain. This gives the fish a place to hide, I think.
Base is made from a hot-dipped #3 washtub, and an old stop sign trimmed and bolted to it. Holes are done with 4-1/2" hole saw, and hammer & dolly work to roll the edges in. Cold-galvanized spray on the cut edges, then primer and black. Did you know EVERY paint and primer says "not for use over galvanized?"View Image
Wanted a a level base under the pond liner sheet, one that woudn't pinch it under the edge of the tub. Made this form that's 13" below the level of the pond rim. I'll put sand over the rest of the clay, it's full of sharp gravel. Then the liner sheet back over it all.View Image
Forrest - slow but sure
Edited 8/11/2007 3:23 pm by McDesign
Forrest,
Do you ever stop? Looks good. The washtub is a great solution.
104' again today.
My wife, the lovely Georgia Brown, teased me because I had a cooler full of ice and frosties inside of a cooler full of ice and rock salt.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Yeah, it's darned hot - 103º at 7 PM, and I was out spreading sand - felt virtuous!
I like that quick-setting concrete mix at Depo (orange bag) I pulled the form off after two hoursView Image
Final assembly and turn-on tomorrow - I promised the kids
Forrest
Edited 8/11/2007 7:27 pm by McDesign
Finito today! Well, except for tuning the lions - kind of projectile vomiting - not really restful to sit beside - too loud!
Heavy thing - maybe 150-200# Sits on the stop sign on the washtubView Image
Pump and plumbing are all accessable / removable with fountain in place - I don't want to move it again! Leftover EPDM is used under the feet to shim the main bowl level, then bend the top spout so the stream is vertical.View Image
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The lovely Mrs. McDesign -View ImageForrest - fountain owner
Edited 8/12/2007 1:25 pm by McDesign
Awesome. Absolutely awesome.
That turned out beautiful. You do great work!
Thanks for the FINALE! It was worth the wait.
Obviously, a great place to take pictures too!My brain + his brawn = a perfect team
Great job, looks pretty cool. Nothing like working with water right now huh? I know its smoking hot there, as it is here.
Okay, take the rest of the day off! (Like that's going to happen!)Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fishand he'll sit in a boat all day, drinking beer.
Awesome work Mac.
And that weekend crew ya got there is just too cute.
Thanks - glad y'all like it. And the crew doesn't eat much.
yet . . .
Forrest
Forrest,Great work as usual. The fence and those "Family" brick are a nice touch,Aunt Fannie's Fountain looks like it grew there.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Just one more. Got the lions' too-vigorous spouts tuned this evening. The nozzles are 2" lengths of 1/4" copper tubing. Squeezing the exits down made them spew straight into the water - not relaxing!
So - I took the lions heads, unscrewed each compression fitting on the 1/4" copper nozzles, and filled the BACK end (near the manifold) with a Bondo plug. Then, drilled a .060 hole when it kicked off. That way, there is a restriction, but it bounces around enough in the short bit of tubing to slow the velocity down. Also gave me a bit more spray height on the top.
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Forrest - I'm finished now; she just has to plant those Hostas and get some fish. Oh - and a trench for the wire.
Edited 8/22/2007 8:16 pm by McDesign
Forrest,
Looks Great! Send this to Southern Living. They are on Peachtree in ATL. Just shy of Buckhead.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
It looks fabulous. Enjoy !Bobbi
Awesome awesome awesome! I want ooooooooonnneee! (Said as I stomp my feet). I love the look of antique. Always reminds me of my grandmother. I could sit and watch that all day. Really beautiful!My brain + his brawn = a perfect team
Turned out perfect.
jt8
"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner, liberty is a well armed lamb protesting the vote." -- Benjamin Franklin
The early bird. Lots of robins every morning; around the base where the grass is damp. They get up in the bowl one or two at a time and flutter around.
Funny to watch!
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Forrest
Edited 8/24/2007 10:41 am by McDesign
Okay, so I guess fountain season in middle Georgia is over today.
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Forrest
Edited 1/2/2008 10:45 am by McDesign
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That's just pretty. It's to bad there has to be a fence around it. What happens to all the kids around fountains without fences around them?
Maybe when they get to be certain age the fence could be stored away.
Coupla three gallons of Aunty Froze would fix that right up there.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"
Coupla three gallons of Aunty Froze would fix that right up there.
Fix that darn bird problem too! LOL
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.†Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
Don't call it a season yet. We're in prime season in northern NY.
My fountain was still fountaining, just a lot of above-water stuff to freeze on.
<edit> are you near Malone? Family just read Farmer Boy on the car trip home.
Forrest
Edited 1/2/2008 10:07 pm by McDesign
I'm near Albany. Malone is about 3 hours drive to the north, near the Canadian border. Been there once.
Ha, I'm near Albany, too. But three hours south of our friend, Forrest. Albany, Georgia. It got to 55 F here today ! Gorgeous sunshine.My son and his GF jumped into the pool on New Years Eve. Water temp was 58, he just wanted to say he did it !Greg
Yeah, but I bet you pronounce it "Al-BENNY"
Forrest - 3 hours north
Who cares how he pronounces it ? Did you fix that date stamp yet ???!!?
A man, convinced against his will... Is of his own opinion, still. ~Anne McCaffrey
I absolutely love that fountain! It's just as beautiful frozen IMHO.You can't leave a footprint that lasts if you're always walking on tiptoe. ~ Marion Blakey
Great frozen fountain pics. Reminds me of a cold winter day in Potsdam when a flock of ducks tried to land in the big fountain in front of the Sanssouci Palace. Such a fluttering of wings and flailing of webbed feet I'd never seen before as the whole lot of them skidded across the iced-over water.
BruceT
Cool pic's! I guess instead of the Robins fluttering around they are doing some ice skating!
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.†Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
Hey Forrest
3 degrees here this AM and getting ready to fly southfor some heat.
I was curious I see the kiln house in the background did the DW ever get it going if so can you post some pics of her work
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16º here. Not too much warmer. Kiln has fired some test pieces so far - holidays and travel took away from time.
Arty shot -
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Forrest
Edited 1/3/2008 9:13 am by McDesign
Maybe you want to consider moving north to occupied Northern Virginia?It's a balmy 25º here this morning.Steve -- breaking out the bathing suit
'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
that's just too pretty....like I wrote in the other thread, I'm always amazed that it actually gets cold down your way.
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Pretty "Cool", pun intended.You might want to bump the year up to '08 on camera so the time stamps are accurate, never know when you might need to rely on it for something critical.
TFB (Bill)
Better to just turn the date stamp off. More annoying than anything. You can always look at the file date to see when the pic was taken.
jt8
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." --Upton Sinclair
I agree, but the date stamp on the file comes from the date setting on the camera, right? If the camera is off it will the wrong date on the pic and on the file.
TFB (Bill)edit for typo
Edited 1/4/2008 6:11 pm by ToolFreakBlue
OKAY! I'M GOING TO THE VAN TO GET THE CAMERA AND CHANGE THE DATE!
sheesh
Forrest
I know I'll sleep better. Thanks :)TFB (Bill)
Just turn the date stamp off. My camera loses its date every time I change the batteries, but I've only had to turn the date stamp off once.
jt8
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." --Upton Sinclair
I agree, but the date stamp on the file comes from the date setting on the camera, right? If the camera is off it will the wrong date on the pic and on the file.
I need to experiment before I can answer that one. I would suspect that if the date wasn't set on the camera, that the file date would be the date that the pictures were uploaded off the camera, but I don't know that for sure.
If the date IS set on the camera, the file date tends to be the date the pic was taken.
If you use Windows Explorer, there are multiple date columns you can turn on. "Date Modified" is usually a default one, but "Date Picture Taken" is another. On those shots where my camera lost its date (and reverted to the default 01/01/2002..or whatever), the "Date Picture Taken" field is blank.jt8
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." --Upton Sinclair
Yer gonna give Forrest a nervous breakdown at this rate.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"
So now fully 10% of the posts in this thread are about the date-stamp.
I'm pleased how we're all concentrating on the meat of my wonderful example of the application of appropriate technology.
Forrest
Well yeah but...didja fix the camera date?
Guffaw 010408Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"
Hey, I have kept up with the fountain since day one and the pics had the correct date. How can I brag to my friends on the progress and the new picks without the right date?!
Just harrassing you cause it seemed like the thing to do at the time! :)
You can't leave a footprint that lasts if you're always walking on tiptoe. ~ Marion Blakey
Nooooo keep it going!!!
Make one of those crazy ice sculpters like they do in Alaska only smaller!
Unless of course its going to hurt the fountain.
Daniel Neumansky
Restoring our second Victorian home this time in Alamdea CA. Check out the blog http://www.chezneumansky.blogspot.com/
Oakland CA
Crazy Homeowner-Victorian Restorer
Actually, most of the ice had melted by yesterday, so I cranked her back up.
Was 74º here today, no joke.
Weird.
Only worry, DW is afraid one of those big icicles might fall and peirce the liner.
Forrest
If you used the EPDM pond liner I wouldn't worry. That stuff is super tough-the icicles would be slowed down by the water anyways right?
Plus it would look super cool!
Daniel Neumansky
Restoring our second Victorian home this time in Alamdea CA. Check out the blog http://www.chezneumansky.blogspot.com/
Oakland CA
Crazy Homeowner-Victorian Restorer
ooooooh, how about putting solar collector panels on the roof of the kiln shed and have that HEAT the fountain water? You could probably find the plans on the Mother Earth News website and do it for less than $10!
But then again, that would probably be a waste of $$ with only 3 days of the year below freezing down there.
jt8
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." --Upton Sinclair
Edited 1/9/2008 1:43 pm by JohnT8
Ah, but in Georgia, water freezes at 55 degrees ! !
Greg
Probably one of those places where they close all the schools if someone sees more than two snowflakes.
jt8
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." --Upton Sinclair
Can you hook it up to propane so it flames in the winter?
Dat would be cool. Well actually hot, so maybe I should have said it would be da bomb. NO... I take that back, it would be smokin!
I give up.
Hey Forrest, maybe someone mentioned this already, but the timestamp on your camera is off.
Neighbor up the hill from me has a 10' wide by 15' tall full scale waterfall in his backyard, running all the time. He even has the water heated in the winter time with propane, and has lights on at night. Wonder what his electric bill is these days. And he hasn't the brains to have a fence /alarm around it (waterfall pool is 3' deep), or a fence / alarm around his olympic size outdoor pool. Otis