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basement waterproofing

Adam05 | Posted in General Discussion on August 28, 2007 05:21am

I have a client who wants to do something about water entering her basement through the walls. I recommended a full perimeter drain around the house, but that’s financially out of the question for her at the moment ($5-7k). Are there any effective coatings to apply to the inside of the basement? The walls are a mix of fieldstone and brick, all of which has been mortared over. The floor is poured, but I really doubt it has a vapor barrier under the slab. I am aware two products, Drylok (UGL) and Xypex HD-150. Are these effective? For that matter, are there ANY effective products out there? I have also seen interior perimeter drains (In FHB or JLC– can’t remember which mag), but I seem to remember that the material for the drain was proprietary.

Thanks for your help.
Adam

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  1. RedfordHenry | Aug 28, 2007 06:07am | #1

    Until she can afford to fix the problem, address whatever surface drainage issues she may have as best you can (gutters, grading near the house, etc.).  If there isn't one already, dig a decent sump and install a good pump.  Interior coatings do little to nothing at best.  No matter what you trowel on the inside, it will still leak if there is water pushing on the outside of the foundation.

  2. Piffin | Aug 28, 2007 12:53pm | #2

    Those products help somewhat sometimes with small cracks and holes in re-inforced concrete, but for a masonry wall like this, it would be mostly a waste of time, slowing but never stopping the water intrusion.
    It would be like putting a band aid on an amputated finger

    She NEEDs the drainage plane on the outside of the house to do any good.

     

     

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    McDesign | Aug 28, 2007 03:28pm | #3

    Seal-O-Flex is the only manufacturer that recommends their product for the negative (inner) side of a basement wall.  I have used it ONCE on a good client's house with leaking poured walls and floor, and it's worked perfectly for over three years - before that, that basement had water in it most of the time - now, never.

    Can scan and post my in-process pix, if you're interested.

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    SamT | Aug 28, 2007 03:44pm | #4

    Adam,

    Piffin and Henry are right. Brick and fieldstone can't be waterproofed from the inside and the first line of defense against basement water is the grade and downspouts.

    In a well designed basement waterproofing SYSTEM, the perimeter drain is the just-in-case last resort.

    The menu of options I would offer your client, from mandatory minimum to best is:

    1. Grade the perimeter to provide a 6":10' sloped apron away from the house; Fix all downspout exits to be 10' from the house; insure no puddling within 10'.
    2. Excavate that 10' apron down 1', maintaining the 6":10' slope, and lay 6mil visqueen, then backfill.
    3. Install an underground downspout drainage system to open air.
    4. Add a tile drainage pipe to open air in a gravel bed with just a couple inches of top soil for sod to the perimeter of the sloped apron.
    5. Up there in chilly Vermont, I would strongly reccommend the HO add waterproof foamboard insulation under the visqueen. This has the exact same effect as insulating the basement walls. The thickness of the insul is minimum 1/48 frost depth; Best 1/24 frost depth; The width is minimum = frost depth and best at 1.5 times frost depth.

    In time the added insulation will pay for itself and the rest of the work in reduced heating costs for the basement.

    SamT

  5. Shacko | Aug 28, 2007 06:38pm | #5

    Most of the other posts are right. You can't seal water from the inside, it must be stopped where it begins; outside. Luck

  6. DanH | Aug 28, 2007 06:55pm | #6

    First off, it's not totally clear whether you're describing a problem of "dampness" or actual liquid water entering.

    Second, any coating applied to the inside of those walls will trap water and cause the mortar to flake off the stone.

    For liquid water there are "Beaver" style systems that involve fastening a hollow plastic "baseboard" to the floor/wall junction, and then draining that to a sump. Not great, but sometimes moderately effective.

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    1. Adam05 | Aug 28, 2007 07:15pm | #7

      General dampness is an issue for this basement as is water penetration during heavy precip events. i have also considered vapor barrier membranes (Tu-tuf is one name that sticks in my head) with a sump well beneath the membrane at the low point, but I have yet to arrive at the ideal solution to integrate the membranes into a functional basement space.Adam

      1. DanH | Aug 28, 2007 07:49pm | #8

        Well, first take care of the grading issues as described. Doing so will often eliminate about 80% of the problem.
        So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable Creature, since it enables one to find or make a Reason for everything one has a mind to do. --Benjamin Franklin

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