Searching for ideas to finish off some bathroom beadboard.
It’s going to be 1/2″ thick x 6″ wide Versatex (pvc like Azek) since I like their stealth nailing flange that helps hide the fasteners.
What to do about the cap and base?
Thought for the base I’d get some 1″ x 5″ (so it’s really 3/4″ x 4.5″) trim boards, rabbet out a 1/2″ by 1/2″ section for the beadboard bottom to drop into. Do I need a cap for the the base, too?
Kind of lost on the best way to finish off the top rail of the beadboard. Best idea I’ve come up with is to take this base cap, turn it 90 degrees (so the thin profile is at the top), rabbet out 1/2″ from the 11/16″ available and tack it on.
But, is that going to look funny? No sense being the one who put his crown on upside down.
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Google up WinsorOne. They have some good cap details.
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Will that look funny with pvc beadboard? I was assuming that I'd want the same substance top to bottom, but I could be (pardon the pun) off base on that assumption.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Not at all. Cast your Roamin aye on it and see for yourself1
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LOL. Thanks, I'll give that a gander.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
A traditional cap as YesMaam suggested is the way to go.
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Here is the base.
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Overall look.
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Chuck S.live, work, build, ...better with wood
Thanks Chuck,Those photos really gave me some good insight. And seeing the profile there makes me feel better about the lip of the shelf extending into the room. Doesn't seem too big there at all.You have a thought about mixing the WindsorOne in with the pvc beadboard? Wondering if I should use some pvc trim for the base/shoe or if I'd be ok with using the WindsorOne for everything except the beadboard itself.Hope you are enjoying a nice Memorial Day weekend. No photos of the grill in action this year? :)Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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No mk-82's today!Being the slow bird that I am, I just realized I have that detail in my half-bath on the first floor of my house. Small room, maybe 3' by 7'6".The 41" tall wainscot has a 3/4" by 7-1/2" baseboard (or bottom rail), the top rail is 3/4" by 3-1/2", and the flat cap is 3/4" by 1-1/4" with maybe a 1/4" roundover.Looks fine. A little plain compared to some of the other trim in my house, but I had the same issue where I didn't want the cap to project too far into the narrow room. Plus I wanted to finish it just using poplar I had on hand. It's paint grade.
Have a photo of that perchance? Curious how the top cap on top of the top rail looks. No rush. I won't get to this until late next week.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Very simple detail, almost too simple. This was a no-frills powder room.
Bottom rail or baseboard is 3/4' by 7-1/2" poplar. Top rail is 3/4" by 3-1/2" poplar.
The bottom edge of the top rail and the top edge of the bottom rail have single-shoulder beads. Both rails are rabbeted to capture the sheet of faux-beadboard. I think the overall height from floor-to-cap is about 40".
Cap is 3/4" by 1-1/4" poplar with a simple roundover. For the cap, 5/4 would have looked more substantial.
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Thanks for the photos. That turned out nicely.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
Edited 5/28/2009 8:17 pm ET by FatRoman
Steve,
They were SU, not photos. Glad you liked them.
Have you determined how to terminate the wainscott at the casing? Maybe a 1-3/8" backband would work.
Will it be a pedestal sink or vanity?
No big Q plans for today. Going to a friends pool later for burgers and brats.
Have a good Memorial Day.
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Thanks Chuck,I broke out the SU and started messing around with it to see if I can come up with something that will work.I'll post it back here for your opinion.Vanity, since Marie wanted the extra storage. It's pretty shallow.Hope the brats turned out well. Those sounded tasty. There's a custard shop in Del Ray started by a lady from Wisconsin. Every couple of months she throws a brat night. Good stuff.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Hi Steve,
Sorry 'bout the PI. I caught it once in Cheverly. My knees cracked and bled. When I was younger I could camp at the C&O Canal and sleep in a bed of it.
We still buy from this company. They used to be at 4914 Del Ray Avenue in Bethesda.
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I start the poisen Ivy pills in February every year. Rustox.........?
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Thanks Chuck,My SIL is a doctor, so she got a prescription for me the other day. She got a good laugh out of my photo, where with only one functioning eye, I looked like an escapee from the home for wayward pirates.Haven't been covered like this in 20 years. I'll definitely check out that link for something to ward it off in the future.Meant to ask you about your SU. Did you hand draw all that? I looked in the warehouse for some beadboard to play around with, but didn't see anything.Thanks,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
Glad you are geting some relief.
I did all of that by "hand". I do SU on a mac. 6.0
Chuck S.live, work, build, ...better with wood
Assuming that this beadboard will be installed as a wainscot, I'd probably add a top "shelf" that is maybe 1-3/4 inches wide. You could rip it from the same trim pieces that you're using for the base.
And then I'd probably put an "apron" under the bottom edge of the shelf, using the PVC shingle mold.
Not a bad idea, but I don't think it'll fly in this situation. The room is only 5' wide. I think the 'shelf' effect would make it feel more claustrophobic than it already is.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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If the room is skinny, I agree that the "shelf" look might be a bit too much.......But I'd at least want to do a mock-up or two, maybe one with the "shelf" only being a smidge wider than the beadboard-plus-apron thickness. It would still give you the very traditional look, but maybe without the narrowing feel.
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Here's what I did, on top used a WM 953 sash bead horizontally with WM886 stop. Bottom is WM 750W.
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Thanks for the photos and the WM info!Looks great, especially the water view.Is that photo in your profile from the Boston marathon?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Is that photo in your profile from the Boston marathon?
Yes. Finally met the qualifying time at the Richmond marathon and ran Boston in 2007. Great experience.
And good luck with your wainscoting. It really looks great in our house. As a matter of fact we've had a few neighbors copy it.
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Thanks.Yes, Boston's a great race. Glad you made it up there. Always at a bad time for me; I'm usually getting ready for triathlon season. The one time I did pencil it in, I got going well and thought I was having a great day, might even make it around 2:35. Until I got to the second half. LOL But the whole experience made for a fine weekend. Don't get to run through crowds like that too often.Is the Annapolis 10 miler still going on?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Is the Annapolis 10 miler still going on?
Yes. I've run it twice. The first time, back in '05, was a disaster as I foolishly tried to race it with the real feel temps in the '80's, but I finished, running the whole way (barely, but running none the less). Ran it last year and took it easy. Much more enjoyable. I'm a lousy hot weather runner.
2:35's pretty darn good. Congrats on your ability. My marathon PR was Richmond at 3:44 and that required a full effort (3:45 was my AG Boston Q time. So that's how close I was). So much so I wound up in the hospital tent (please don't remind my wife), but I took it easier at Boston and brought it in 3:54 and change feeling pretty strong.
Real nice on doing tri's. Annapolis had one two years and we went down to watch but last year they didn't get the bike route approved so they cancelled it. I thought about trying a tri. Could be one of those life adventures that would be a lot of fun.
Doug
Doug,You should certainly find a tri to do. I remember the Annapolis one got started, but didn't realize they had trouble with the course. I knew a couple of friends that did that race and liked it. Most of my racing is for Ironman, so I know all about the hospital tent! But there's not a better feeling in the world than hitting that finishing tape.Columbia, MD has a couple of great short distance tris. Very well run. If you get a chance head over to http://www.tricolumbia.org. The Make a Wish one at Bethany Beach is a low key, very fun race. Got to like ocean swimming, but the rest is a breeze. Fine picnic afterwards on the beach, too. All the chicken, beer and custard you can eat.Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Instead of the square edge cap, I like using a standard ogee edge window stool, by ripping it to the proper width for that top piece.
Lots of times I'll add a nose and cove moulding under that top cap. As far as I know, those two mouldings are only available in wood. But well primed and painted, up that high in a bathroom, it should be no problem.
Oh yeah, there's also a waincote cap moulding, rabbeted to go right over your paneling. IIIRC, its about 2-1/2" wide (high) and about 1-1/4" deep. Again, it only available in real wood.
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Thanks Shep.That window stool moulding might be an interesting option. I do have a small window to trim out in there so I could sort of blend that in. Assume you weren't talking about a nose and cove under that ogee, right?Since it seems the consensus is that the wood and pvc can live together, I'll be happy to go that route.Guessing that's going to make me want to paint the pvc, though to have everything match? Any reason I should be concerned about the paint flaking/bubbling off that?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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actually, yes, I was talking about a small (5/8" x 7/8") nose and cove under the cap. But I've also used a small (3/4") cove, or, since I usually rabbet the cap onto the wainscote, nothing underneath. In the last situation, I make the cap a bit narrower.
I think I remember you talking about a good lumber yard around you. They'll most likely give, or sell you, 1' or 2 ' long samples of moulding. Then you can see what everything will look like. I keep a bucket of various moulding cut-offs to show customers when needed, since a lot of them can't visualize what I'm trying to tell them.
If the window stool isn't too high or low, I like to set that, then continue that line around the room with the top of the cap. The stool usually projects around 1-3/4", and I make the wainscote cap less than that, around 1" to 1-1/4".
As far as painting goes? I think the PVC holds paint well, but IIRC there's some paints that work better on it than others. But I've never painted it, so don't trust anything I say about that.
Have you done anything with that cherry tree yet?
Have a nice Memorial Day.
OK, you lost me then. A nose under the nose of the window stool? I can visualize the cove under there, but not the second nose.Very good idea on the samples. I think I'll wander over tomorrow and see what I can find. The lumberyard I've talked about doesn't carry the Versatex. There's another one nearby that does, and they've also got the WindsorOne. So I'll get it all in one shot.I've got a couple of samples of the Versatex from JLC. I'll paint them and see what happens. Cons - I really like the paint free experience and the white's just fine as it is. Pros - the pvc does have a tendency to nick/scratch easily. So a layer of paint might help guard against that.Got to get on the phone this week about the tree. Got sidetracked trying to round up a new compressor for my AC. Have a nice memorial day, too. Golf plans today?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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No golf plans- we're going to a pic-a-nic later today.
My wife is in a Memorial Day parade as the minister of her church. One of her church members, a WWII vet, asked her if she would participate. So she drove up this AM, and when she gets home, we'll go to out friends.
the nose and cove mldg. - it had a small bullnose at the top, and a small cove underneath. The one I use the most is only 3/4" high. If I had any computer savvy, I'd draw a pic. It's a pretty popular profile. I bet your yard has it.
You going running today?
Thanks for the info and the follow up with the yard links.No running since the weekend. Did some gardening for DW and wound up with poison ivy or some derivative from head to toe.Hoping that drugs and a couple of snorts will cure the unending itchiness. LOL'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Hope you stop itching soon.
And now, you'll know better than to do gardening for the wife. Next time, let her get the poison ivy <G>
I had a little on my hand recently. I think I got it looking for a buddy's golf ball last time I played. Next time, he's on his own.
Steve-
this is the supplier my yard uses for trim.
http://www.gardenstatelumber.com
check out their catalog and see if there's something that'll work for you. Most millwork suppliers have similar trim profiles, so if you see something you like, chances are you'll be able to find something close near home.
Nice work, (job)............
I don't think you need a cap for the base, but if you put a 1/2" bead on the top edge of the base that might look nice.
I think just putting that base cap right on top of the wainscot might look too insubstantial.
With the base acting as a bottom rail, I'd add a 1" by 4" (3/4" by 3-1/2") top rail, then cap that. If you want to use that base cap on top of the 3/4" top rail it might look okay as is, or you might want to pad it out a bit.
A better option might be to toss the base cap idea and mimic what was done in the photos, lay a 3/4" x 1" on the flat on top of the top rail, and give the corners a slight roundover.
It'll dress up the top just enough without protruding into the room too much.
Thanks. I'm going to try a mockup with the slight lip and see how that looks. I'll keep your idea of a top rail in my back pocket. In thinking about it, I like the way that would look.Now, you have any advice for putting an MK-82 in my bathtub in that room? :)'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Here's something to look at. It includes a base cap-that was a ripped down Mantle Moulding. That profile you show as a panel mould up on the ceiling. Maybe you can come up with something nicer by seeing some examples.
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Why choose the Versatex? Isn't that mainly used for exterior soffit work?
They sell beadboard "kits" that are all pre-milled to fit together.
You buy the planks in one package, then the base/cap kit in another package.
Very simple, looks great.
And all the fasteners are still hidden.
I wouldn't use the Versatex for a bathroom.
Versatex because I like it better than the Azek after handling the samples. This particular version has an extra wide tongue which forms a lock joint with the mating piece. And I want pvc because I'm doing this once, and am not interested in watching the planks separate and going back with 5 coats of paint to try and fill in the gaps. Especially in a bathroom. Tight surroundings, with a tub. It may not likely get wet, but I don't see a reason to take a chance.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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The beadboard kits I was describing come in prefinished pvc also
Got a name for those kits by chance?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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They sell all that stuff at Depot / Lowes. Forgot the name. Very commonly stocked item.
Everybody does have nice ideas, I liked some of the drawings and photos the guys put up, but if you're just looking for something basic, then why try to re-invent the wheel?