I am about to reside a house in red cedar. And I’m trying to seperate the advertising claims from the real world results.
Client has seen samples treated with Cabots Semi-transparent” clear cedar mix and likes it. (#2003??) My supplier can supply pre-dipped at about $150 per carton.
Michigan Prestain suggests that their pre dipped lasts longer, as they use Sherwin Williams “Woodscapes” poly urethane products. All up, there is significant savings there, but client doesn’t like the look, and I agree. As the colors are all semi opaque, the look of the cedar is lost.
Is the longer life claimed by Mich Prestain more the function of the opacity of the produt? If not has anyone had success using other Sherwin Williams products that would be closer to the natural look of the Cabots?
or, bottom line, what’s the best solution for a natural looking, long lasting red cedar shingled siding? Or is that an oxymoron?
I know there was a thread regarding this, but I wasn’t able to find it, so perhaps someone could post the link, and save us all re-typing!
Thanks-
Edited 11/22/2003 6:41:57 PM ET by LATEAPEX911
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clear finish on red cedars is just not going to last..
factory dipped will be better.. opaque will be better.. more uv inhibetors (sic )...
heard a lot of good things about sikkens
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Make sure your shingles are dry, then dip them in Pinafin Red Cedar stain.
Pinafin holds up as well as any stain I know of, looks great, has good UV resistance and is easy to recoat down the road.
The first house I shingled using Pinafin stain is on a coastal bluff and after 6 years is just starting to look like it could use a fresh coat. (shingles were blue label #1's, tight grain VG....#2's and/or coarser grain might not perform as well).
Ditto to what Mike said. More pigments=more opaque=more UV protection. In trying to keep that new look you are going against the natural order of things. Not that it can't be done but plan on spending lots of time and $. Did a job with a Bennie Moore stain called NatureGuard about 5 years ago ..........still looks good. They no longer make NatureGuard but I believe the MoorGuard semitransparent is pretty close......... check with a dealer to be sure.
I've used Sikkens and think its great stuff..better than Cabots which I used on my first house....the bleaching oil stain.
A lot depends on if theres a lot of trees around the house IMO.
Also the mostttttttt important thing is to let the tannins dry out of the cedar before you do anything otherwise, peeling, peeling, peeling
Be well
andy
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Well, guys, thanks for the sage words. More research of old threads here confirms and expands on what you've said.
So, we took the time today to actually buy some product and apply it, rather than relying on the manufacturers samples for an accurate representation. Good news! The Sherwin Williams Woodscapes colors look a LOT better on actual red cedar shingles on the house that their samples and the pictures do.
So, as SW has a decent rep for their outside products (I think i remember reading that here), and as Michigan prestain will warranty (to a degree!) the product, it looks as though we will go with them for their predipped product.
Am I making a huge mistake?? Any other predipping companies I should contact?
Thanks again, guys.Jake Gulick
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CarriageHouse Design
Black Rock, CT
Hey Mr Latea nothing better than the natural shingle
just read your latest post and see a decision has been made cool!
more ruminations on your situation Piffen has spoken of co. out of Canada? packaged shingles began w/ M and not sure if come pre stained; I have used Cabots, Olympic and a Flood product ( many times ) to maintain the natural ( but oiled ) look of cedar without perverting the color. Last year had a crew re-coat a shingle home we did 10 yrs ago w/ Flood product and we used the clear on all sides except for a dormer to the west and the whole south side we used their same product w/ the cedar colorant to bring back some "natural" after the natural bleaching process
works perfecto / having said all that this staining before hanging is a most laborious task and I would champion your buying prestained if the look is 75% of what a brushed back stain will look like
please say something of their cost do they come kiln dried, stained, boxed and a square 14" to the weather? you have to be going 5" ya? or at most 7" right?
only boxed I've bought were a square 14" to the weather / very confusing at first blush thanks John
sounds like Maibecs.. but Maibecs are a white cedar...
Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike that is the brand Piffen spoke of
and no I did not know what cedar they might be nor if they had naturaltone type stained material - just trying to think of the potential options thanks