Was just in the shop, getting ready to build a vanity that I need to have finished by Friday, and my Bosch Table saw, model 4009, I think, started running slow. I shut it down, looked to see if something was jammed. I started it again, and it runs backwards, at about half speed. I know a trimmer that had the same saw, and it died within warranty time. Anyone else have trouble with this saw? I am wondering if it is worth fixing. Could cost up to $300.
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I have had a leg from the power pole to the meter base break underground. Check your main for 240... once you get that fixed, turn the blade around and rip from the other end?<G>
We'll have a kid
Or maybe we'll rent one
He's got to be straight
We don't want a bent one
He'll drink his baby brew
From a big brass cup
Someday he may be president
If things loosen up
Dave,
Here's another thread on Bosch 4009 motor problems. I haven't had any problems with mine, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=121167.1
Steve
I like most Bosch tools, but I got tired of the TS crapping out on me in the middle of a job. Last time I bought the DeWalt 745 while I waited for the Bosch parts, then fixed the Bosch and sold it.
I'm thinking I might have gotten either Lucky or these stories of bogus'ness are but a handfull and you all come here.
I've had nothing but good luck-biggest bitch was the "dust" bag.
Hey man, bout time you decide to jump the train with those merry pranksters and join in the Fest-tivities, no?A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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I have the same luck as you do....
I have found out that a dull cutter, low volts and failure to RTFM contributed greatly to their demise...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I run only the sharpest of blades. The blade should always make nice ribbons and shavings rather than dust. I also use nice heavy extension cords and the shortest cord possible and as close to the panel as practical.The electronic controls fritzed out on me twice, bearings seized up, and the plastic base could not handle the Minnesota cold and cracked, chipped and lost parts in routine use.I have a full line-up of Bosch tools and like most of them, but the TS I had was a dog.
That answers a question I've had.
Thank you.
Calvin,I may have been a fairly heavy user of table saws, for a trim carpenter. Not sure if I got a lemon or if the Bosch is too light duty for the work I gave it. I do try to take good care of my tools, but I do use them pretty seriously.To be fair, I may never know if the DeWalt is any better, because for most of the time I've owned the Dewalt, I've also owned a Delta Unisaw. The Delta now gets most of the heavy work.As far as the Fest goes, this year it looks like we will be entertaining my folks here. They aren't in good health, so we work them in whenever we can. Been really busy too (a good thing considering).Cheers,Brian
Still counting my blessings with the saw. Done all I've asked of it. Hopefully it will join the many tools I still use daily that oddly were purchased when I started out in the 70's. Not much disposability in my arsenal. Odd in this day and age.
It is a good thing to spend as much time with the folks that you can as they grow older. I've been without parents since '88 and often wonder about the times had they been different. Tell 'em both we said hello.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Brian, you are one bad man.
The Karma that ensued today topped everything I've ever run into.
Prior bouts usually revolved around getting a big draw check.
Van crapped out.
This time-Table Saw took the dive........bit the bullet.........bought the farm.
Ripping the last of a bunch of cedar into exterior mouldings........first smoke, then gravel grinding sound...........
Kapoot.
What's the odds.
It goes to the repair boys if it starts out rain tomorrow morning.
And me trying to get it together b/4 leaving for the West.A Great Place for Information, Comraderie, and a Sucker Punch.
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Well Calvin,I think cedar wood is just too hard for the Bosch... better switch to Balsa. ;o)In my case, the last time the parts cost what the saw was worth... not being too bright I fixed it anyway... and sold it.Hope all goes well.Cheers,Brian
I have sung the praises of the old Makita 2708 here a couple of times. Mine is over 20 years old and I have put it through sheer hell at times. It has its drawbacks, like only being a 8.25 blade and the height crank, but for balls, there is no saw out there that has ever beaten it. I take care of it, but I use it heavy too. I have another newer one in storage that I bought on E-bay waiting for this one to poop. I have the Rousseau table setup with the outfeed to go with it. It's a fine setup and very accurate. I have kept it clean and replaced the brushes only twice in that time.I bought the DW 744 to have in my garage and as a backup for longer jobs and I really like that saw. With the zero clearance plate it's a real trimmers delight. You get a little more blade with that saw. I have been tempted by the 745 but I have no reason to get it.
Interesting, after my employers Bosch for four years I bought the DW745 as well. I haven't missed the big saw for a minute.
The awful thing is that beauty is mysterious as well as terrible. God and the devil are fighting there, and the battlefield is the heart of man.- Fyodor Dostoyevski
You know I really liked the Bosch TS... it was just not durable enough. The Dewalt 745 has been great and seems like it will hold up well.
There've been several threads here about motor problems with those. Check with Bosch rep to see if they will cover it.
I haven't seen probs on mine.
Some of the problems ended up being due to sawdust packed in the switch or the motor
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Thanks for all the input. I will contact Bosche, and ask the question, but more than likely it will not be covered. I am going to get it repaired, and in the mean time, I think I am going to buy a Delta Hybrid TS for the shop. I really wanted to hold off until we have some sort of economy again, and buy a Saw Stop cabinet saw. Being 62, my reflexes are just a bit slower than they were, and i figure I came into this world with 10 digits, I would like to leave with 10. The hybrid will do, considering how slow work is.
Mine never ran backwards, but the electronic speed control died under warranty. I had it replaced and only used the saw twice since then. The last time I used it, it was showing the same symptoms as the first time it went bad. Unfortunately it's long out of warranty now, and bosch told me to pound sand. Something must be making it go bad, but I've honestly only used this say 6 times at the most and it's already going on it's third speed control. It's just sputters and runs at a low rpm. Thats if it even starts to begin with.
Can't stand this saw.
Thought I'd love it.
Luckily, I don't have a dime in it.
Stupid fence.
well,
whatta got to say about Bosch now, big boy?
I really like my Bosch rotary hammer drill. Most of my Bosch stuff is good (though the spindle lock on the Colt router is a pain and the router switches sometimes cut out due to dust in the contacts... if I could just stop making dust they would work fine ;o) )
ya, I was being facetious with IMERC since he's a big Bosch/Milwalkee guy.
Many varied comments seem to swirl around that new Bosch table saw tho'. snorK*
my TS's are hard worked and doing fine...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I'll come clean: I'm a Bosch fanboi. But they have a winner/loser in their TS. It's a great design with it's fold up roller thing, and cuts well, good capacity, and so on. But yea, there have been too many failures of the same items. Mine had a bearing go, twice. Hey, it's $3 part, but installing it is a pain, and time consuming, and it's not like these things fail when you DON'T need them!Mine is currently going well though, and it's the original version.Imagine if Festool made one! (I know, it's against their philosophy)Jake Gulick
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Totally unfamiliar with that Bosch.
What type motor is it, some have refered to brushes? Is it possibly a switched reluctance motro that requires an electronic 3 phase drive?
Here is a good look at the inner workings:
LOL , I needed that!
Oh yeah, as an add-on, my 'portable' is a 10" Cast Iron 1950's craftsman, definetly without the 'P" instead of the 'ft'.
Got a crane on the truck though, that helps to move it around. <G>
We had a 20" Tannewitz in one shop I worked at. About a 5' x 5' cast iron table that went up and down, the blade stayed still. I think we had a 10 HP 3 ph on that suckker. Deadly strong saw.One guy had a billet of maple kick back and hit him in the hip, it drove that Levis rivet into his hipbone and drove him back about 20 feet into a non-running shaper. He was pretty shook up.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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!953 Craftsman TS. Motor weighs more than the top. Been using one for two years on this job I'm doing now. Paid a hunert bucks for it and wouldn't trade it for the world. Fence is still true.
Wayne
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snorK*
"Imagine if Festool made one! (I know, it's against their philosophy)"
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The CS70 is one of two tablesaws that Festool markets to our Australian and European counterparts. At $4400 AUD ($3700 USD) I couldn't imagine any REAL carpenter toting one around from job to job. While not actually available in the USA, I am sure you will see them before too long as Festool continues it's campaign to reach out to spendthrift american woodworkers.
Miter saws used to be "against their philosophy" too. Apparently they realized that no matter how fancy you make a circular saw, it isn't gonna do what a mitersaw or a tablesaw does.
FWIW, I don't think there is a portable tablesaw on the market that is really great. Each has a few good features followed by many, many faults. I have the Bosch. While I am happy with it, it sure isn't perfect by any means.
DC
For a portable tablesaw--Having spent the time with accurate setup when I initially put it all together, I am VERY satisfied with my Makita 2703/Rousseau combo.View Image
Laugh all ya want, but I've been really happy with a Ryobi ( the one with the sliding table for miter gage work) for about two yrs now. Got the Bosch and died after a few months, the HO bought it and I left it for him to deal with after I left his job.I thought that the RYo was goofy with that slider, but I had a lot of cedar shingles to lop for a combed ridge and I was surprised how handy that was to cross cut them and nothing getting trapped between the fence and blade.I've cut azek strips at 3/8th tall x 1/4" wide triangular for glass stops, and ripped PT 2x4 on edge full blade depth with excellent results doing both. Running a Freud Titanium or something blade.Folds up easy, fits in the van side doors easy, and for the price, one hell of a saw.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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You're not the only one to like that saw, lots of people swear by them. While most of Ryobi is carp, and most of Bosch is good, there must have been some sort of cosmic anti-matter swaperoo when they made their TS's.Now I'm puttin' on my asbestos under garments 'cause I can see all the Bosch boys comin' for me.....Ryobi and Bosch in the same sentence???? Heresy...... Sphere started it!!!!!!Scott.
Edited 8/17/2009 1:18 am by Scott
I ain't laughin' at ya.
I love my Ryobi. I have the older one without the sliding table thing and was a bit turned off by that one.
Good to hear it's a good one too.
Hd mine for several years...always true, always square, always light and always portable.No Coffee No Workee!
My last saw was the slider Ryobi. Only problem I had was, it would jump off the floor when ya
turned it on! Something about a jumpy saw that makes beer thirty come early for me.
You don't see me laughing. That Ryobi is a damned good table saw. The cabinet maker had one set up for installations on this big job I been doing in Philly and he used my 12" double bevel slider while I used his table saw. It cranked just fine.
My combo Jointer and planer circa 1983 is still going great, the AH-115 was Ryobi's best thing ever. Nice long bed jointer and 2 speed planer at 12.5" is the bees knees.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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"If Brains was lard, you couldn't grease much of a pan"Jed Clampitt
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>> I couldn't imagine any REAL carpenter toting one around from job to job.<<I used to work with a guy who has one of those he brought back from Europe. He uses it for a field saw. IT's not really a dedicated table saw, rather, it's a table tha you mount the Festo rail saw in upside down. It's a very fancy version of the "redneck table saw" you see people make for mounting their skil saw to.Steve
If it's the chatter on the fence you hate so much, Clean and wax the rails. Smooth as butter.