Just starting to get set up to reline all the wooden gutter on this home with 20 oz. copper.
Working alone so progress won’t be rapid — just steady.
Taking out two courses of slate and putting one back to leave more copper exposed and have it look better proportioned. Lots of old cement or what I call fire clay attached to these old slates.
I’m going to remove the slate all around the ell prior to removing all the old galvanized metal.
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A few more from this afternoons stint.
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"We strive for conversion,we get lost in conversation, and wallow in consternation. "Me.
100 % humidity here this morning -- sweat pours off just standing still.
Once I'm set up well it should proceed right along nicely. I'll trailer my 8' Chicago there for the forming.
Hope Pete sends you a check !!
Walter
In pic 021 (the first one of the second posting) what is that stuff at the end of the boards? Looks like adobe with straw mixed in."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
It's an old time roof cement which resembles a " fire clay "
The other is just debris from the last 95 years.
Thanks for taking the trouble to put this up here.
Something I don't get to see is always interesting...buic
Buic,
Thanks. I'm working alone on this so be patient. I'll be a month or more on this one.
Walter
Walter,
Thanx for sharing this. I will stay tuned.
I have done integral gutters 2 ways (carpentry only, roofer did the liner) The first way was a cut out in the rafters the other was notched in the joists. How was this done?
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
When I get some of the old galvanized out I'll take some pictures of the woodwork to show how it all is assembled.
Best regards, Walter
Chuck,
I got some pictures today of the wooden gutter and how it's supported on the notched ends of the ceiling joists.
Here are several for you.
Best regards , Walter
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Walter,Thanks for sharing that.I often think how, in that era, carpenters also did the roofs and were pretty much the GC/builder on the job. An old timer would come by to pass the time, technique and lore. I can almost picture a good ol' boy notching the ends of the joists with a 5-1/2 pt rip saw and a cross cut saw. I can also picture the apprentices nailing sheething and plaster lath turning their thumbs into a bloody mess.Was tin, lead or copper used on the original house?How is your garage/shop coming along? Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
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Chuck,
Your olde time scenario is right on I betcha.
Galvanized metal was most common in this area. In those days it wasn't tempered so it was easy to form.
Garage has been on hold while I get some paying jobs done. That'll be good Winter work.
Walter
I've had the chance to rebuild quite a few old box gutter jobs, and you are dead on right that they musta had a swell time up there with a handsaw. Most that I have seen here are SYP or similar, and the amount of work that went into sawing was less than the amount of hewing with a hatchett, or a rigger's axe.
We've become pansies with our saws and cords, reading the wood and splitting it along it's weakest plane is SO much faster, and when the wood has even straight grain, it is actually gonna be pretty darn accurate, when it's oriented the way you want it to split..I mean if you need a slope, READ the wood and place it as you wish, and a quick lick with a sharp blade will cleave it to the desired configuration.
Most folks ignore that, and that is what a GOOD carpenter can do that mystifies many new workers, you have to learn to be one with the wood, and listen to it, see it, ALLOW it to be modified in it's inherent "way"..the path of least resistance can go both ways, it has an inordinate amount of give and take..a good worker uses those strengths and weaknesses to his advantage.
THAT my friend, is the lost art. Science has usurped our innate sensibility to allow wood to be wood, we have managed to make it into sheets, and acres of sawdust..when the real strength is still in a tree, waiting to be used to it's fullest extent and beauty.
Damm, I got all Zen there..my bad..or is it? LOL
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I can smell that old wood from here.
ooohh..man, I can't even go there with that..
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Thank you IC
Changing over the closed valleys to open copper valleys after the gutter linings are in place. Ripped out the lowest two courses at the valley and found zinc step flashings as expected -- and a 2' wide sheet of galv. that was laid into the valley first. These valleys would have leaked profusely without the extra galv. protection.
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Will be removing and sheathing in and slating back in this old skylight or scuttle.
Picture of brackets installed into the roof to make access easy.
I'm using one less course of slates at the eaves so I'll have plenty to slate this in tomorrow.
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A few more before the bi weekly cribbage tournament.
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Not a roofer here but always curious about slate. I think it is the most beautiful product you can put on a roof. Would you mind explaining (as if to a child) how the nails and metal in pic #18 hold up the slate? How do you work from the top down when you can't bend the shingles to nail them. This has always fascinated me. You are obviously a true craftsman.
"It is what it is."
Man, I really enjoy following your posts. I learn so much also. Every time I start getting the bighead about some of my work you guys puncture it for me. (That's a good thing:)
Thanks for fpllowing along here.
Nothing difficult being done -- just stuff a lot of folks don't see everyday.
Walter
Mike,
The nails you see in that pic were the existing ones holding slates in place from when the scuttle was installed. It wasn't originally in the roof -- so when the roofers installed it they held their last replacement slates in with iron nails covered with a lead cap.
If you look in other pics of my slating it in you'll see little copper hooks which are a modern way of achieving the same goal. As you said they don't bend easily !
With a pocket full of hooks you can start and stop anywhere in the body of the roof.
Walter
Now I see them. Another question, how do the hooks secure to the roof?
"It is what it is."
It's a piece of stout wire bent to form an angled leg to nail into the roof and the turned up end to keep the slate from sliding out.
I'll take a picture today.
Thank you sir.
"It is what it is."
You do know that slate roof material is mined right up the road from you? Take rte9 north out of Albany for about 2 hours and you will see signs.
Ohh yeah. I see remnants of the mine all over. Especially in VT.
"It is what it is."
This picture has terrible focus problems , but you'll get the idea.
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Ok, I think I get it now. So the straight part goes into the sheathing and the hook supports the slate? So you must install the hook before the slate?
"It is what it is."
Thats the method. In the old days a center nail and a "bib " were used on the slate already in place.
Walter,
that roof is looking pretty straight for an old one. i have only gotten the opportunity to build a yankee gutter once. they are not used in my area due to the amount of snow we get. can't wait to see it finished.thanks for the vinalhaven tour guide. i appreciate your time and look forward to seeing some of your work on the island:)
Every day is a gift, that's why it's called the present.
Walter,Thank you for this thread and pics.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
Thank you for following along.
Trailered my Chicago break onto the site this morning and started bending up some copper for the gutter liners/ aprons.
My camera had low battery problems so I didn't get some shots I wanted , but found an auto charger and got some more before the end.
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Made a pattern to transfer the dots to my sheets and then bend them up.
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I'll rivet and solder the sheets and temp. dry them in.
Slating will take place a little later since I'm working solo here.
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Looks good Walter. Have you seen my radius benders I made for my brake? They'd work like a charm for this project.http://grantlogan.net
Come on guys. If you're Festing, it's time to pay up. Half of you have already wasted that much on beer and #### this week already.
Grant,
Not sure I have -- maybe post a few pics if you have time.
This old Dawg can be taught new tricks. Thanks, looking forward to it.
Have a great 4th.
Walter
I hope you had your sunglasses today, man that is bright!
Yes I wore them most of the day today.
More clouds tomorrow which is better for this work.
I think that is brighter than when I was putting up Tyvek!
I've got a bunch of pics of it in action, but I can't find them currently. This is the only pic I can find. It shows the nose attached and a piece of metal ready to be pulled back over the nose. I'll take some action pix the next time I get one of the noses out. I've found a couple of Chicago radius nose kits on Ebay, but they were all for 8' brakes and mine's a 10'.
I made three noses. One from 1 1/2" PVC, 2" PVC and 3" PVC. I've rarely used the 3".
I ripped the pipe in half and screwed it to a piece of 1x with counter sunk screws. When the 1x is bolted to the front of the apron, the thickness of the pipe sets on the business edge of the apron against the stock which has been bent at 90d.
You gently pull the metal back toward you and push it down over the pipe and it takes a radius slightly larger than the form.
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Come on guys. If you're Festing, it's time to pay up. Half of you have already wasted that much on beer and #### this week already.
Grant,
I think some old cornice breaks had similar bolt on forms for hand bending the curves.
Looks like a good way to go once you're set up.
Walter
I think some old cornice breaks had similar bolt on forms for hand bending the curves.
Yeah - that's where I got the idea. I was never able to find a 10' set. So I made my own.http://grantlogan.net
Come on guys. If you're Festing, it's time to pay up. Half of you have already wasted that much on beer and #### this week already.
Hi, Walter --
This is interesting. I'm figuring that the seam in 008.jpg was made by tinning both pieces, then on the roof the ridged part of the solder was added with a hot copper, right?
Thanks --
-- J.S.
John,
I don't pre- tin my pieces usually , especially long lengths of apron / gutter sheets.
I use a hot copper to sweat the two previously rivetted sheets together - then weave a stiched bead to strengthen the joint.
The sides are then dressed to smooth the edges -- which may look like the pieces have been pre=tinned.
Walter
Some shots of yesterdays work on the back of the ell.
Removed the old galvanized liners, new lock strip and apron/ gutter sheets.
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Worked on getting more sheets installed into the valley area on one side of the ell.
Old sheets ripped apart at the seams , balance of the lock strip put on, then sheets put in place and rivetted up.
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Finished up getting weather tight for the 4th.
Just temp. prepped for the slate install.
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looking good!!!!
Thank you .
Do you have a problem with expansion and contraction of the copper when it's all soldered together? What happens in the corners?
Do any of the homeowners look at your pictorial discussion?"Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
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Eddie,
since none of these runs are longer than 32' I won't need to put in expansion joints.
The corners are mitered long and folded over the other side then also soldered up.
Yes I include the owners quite often. It's easier for them to follow along here than climb onto the staging.
Walter
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What is that mess?
Don't you have any crack/methheads around there to climb up and steal the copper? They rip all the copper pipes out of vacant homes hereabouts. They have also been known to rip aluminum siding off houses.
jt8
"A little 'enthusiasm' and all problems seems small!"
John,
Our crackheads won't climb to steal precious metals. Leave it on the curb and they will haul it off though.
opening up the closed valleys today. Getting all the slate removed and saved and all debris out. Old galv. removed then 30 lb. felt , and the 20 oz. valleys.
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what is the temp getting up to during the day while you are up there?"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he can't beat you he will just kill you." Steinbeck
Air temp yesterday hit 90 with about 80% humidity.
Thjat's pretty close to what we've been getting in Houston and other parts of Texas.
I'm surprised it's that hot in Boston.
"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he can't beat you he will just kill you." Steinbeck
IC,
Actually this job is in Bangor,Me.
The title is a little misleading in that -that style of wooden gutter is called Boston style.
Sorry for the confusion.
Walter
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Come on guys. If you're Festing, it's time to pay up. $85.00? Half of you have already wasted that much on beer and p0rn this week already.
Yes if you've got enough dough-- imported ya know !!
Some of todays slating in the valley AKA solar oven !!
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Hey, I haven't been able to get a clear look at how you hook your safety line on. Got a good shot of that?http://grantlogan.net
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Grant,
I think this one shows how I did this install. 3 16d double heads thru the Sala anchorage , then the rope hooked to it.
Once both valleys are done I'll pull the anchorage and replace the slates.
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Come on guys. If you're Festing, it's time to pay up. $85.00? Half of you have already wasted that much on beer and p0rn this week already.
I'm even mopre surprised that it's that hot in Bangor.
Great thread. "Never pick a fight with an old man. If he can't beat you he will just kill you." Steinbeck
There's a huge high pressure area pushing heat and humidity up from the Bermuda area.
Going to get more bearable later in the week.
Thank you, Walter
Oh hell. 90 degrees and 100% humidity. We wear a sweater in that kind of weather. It isn't hot 'til your tools and the scaffold get so hot they'll blister your hands.
On the other hand, you work in some stuff on the other end that we'll set out in front of the fire.http://grantlogan.net
Come on guys. If you're Festing, it's time to pay up. $85.00? Half of you have already wasted that much on beer and p0rn this week already.
I much prefer 20 degrees to work in as opposed to 90 !
We might think about a sweater then.
Me too. Although 50 is closer to ideal.
jt8
"A little 'enthusiasm' and all problems seems small!"
Prepping the other side of the ell but ran into some cracks I wanted to use Abatron in - both the liquid and solids.
Rain was expected so I covered over the gutter with felt to keep dry until today-- my Abatron products were home so I'll do my repairs this morning. Then I'll copper in this side.
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Abatron liquid used to repair some cracks - then wood e pox used to fill in a rotted spot prior to copper install.
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Walter,
Nice repair.
From what I can tell the gutter was fabricated and nailed to the rafters. Was a facia board put up first?
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Chuck,
Usually the gutter is set onto notched joist ends or rafter tails so that half of it is " housed " , nailed into the supports than fascia comes up under the gutter and lastly a 3/4" x 3/4" trim strip applied.
I've got a bit of woodwork to do once I'm done with the lining process. I'll get some good shots then.
Walter
Walter,
That will be good to see. Kind of what I was wondering in post #9.
Chuck S
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A couple more of the other valley going in and a long range shot from the neighbors house.
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Lookin' good!!
Thanks very much !!
Walter
I was hoping someone else would ask, but what are the little curly-cue things on the roof, such as in the first pic of post #87? They look to be laid out parallel to the hip...?
I know this one.
They're a means for the roofers to verify that the black diamonds on their tape measures are calibrated properly.
Or maybe they're just snow guards.
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
I thought about snow guards, but they look like wires instead of plates, and they go all the way to the top instead of being lower on the roof. I thought maybe the were guides for decorative lights or some sort of lighting arrestor or a place to catch the britches of the roofer who fell. <G>It also didn't look like they were on all the planes of the roof, but perhaps the angle was just wrong to see them in some of the pics.
Colleen,
Jon is right with his second try !
Since these are heavy iron wire "pigtails " , they can't withstand the snow load that those model C's can. Therefore they are installed over the whole roof to keep the snow in it's place as fallen - not just retain it at the eaves.
These were installed just like a slate hook I use - simply nailed into the deck between two slates.
I'll take a picture of some rusted ends where the tail has rusted then snow broken them off.
I'll be addingf some C's to the spots that require it on this home.
Walter
Ok, that makes sense, but they'd also work to make a lighted landing strip for Santa's sleigh!Were they made on the spot in those days or were they an item that a slater would order? I found a site online that sells copper ones, but they call them an "economy" snow guard so it's strange to me that an economy guard would be used on a slate roof. Do you encounter them very often in your kind of roofing?http://guttersupply.com/p-snowguards-sg-loop.gstml
I'm old , but not old enough to know for sure if they were site made !!!
I'm pretty sure you could order them from the roofing supply hose in 1912 and simply install them as needed.
With enough of them spaced out throughout the entire roof I'm sure that they did an adequate job. Also this is a hipped roof so the load was lessened as you went towards the ridge line.
I've used copper " pigtails " on numerous occaisions with mixed results.
I use only Sieger Snow Guards now or a piped fence system -- no economy solutions are quoted by me now.
Walter
While on a google snow-guard tour, i saw clamp-on snow-guard systems for standing-seam. Speaking of "mixed results"...that seems ripe for tearing apart.The pigtails are growing on me, but those cast ones are so beautiful. Is there really much difference in cost, once you factor in not having to buy and install the cast ones clear to the ridge?
I've got to use some of those clamp on jobs on the Vinalhaven Library project.
They only make a one pipe system for just the reasons you've pointed out.
The pigtails are hardly noticeable once installed -the copper ones. I don't know the cost factors , but as my hardware guy used to say " this ain't Burger King-- you get it my way or you don't get the son of a bi##h "
Or in other words I quote it now how I want to see it done -- using the years of experience to make wise decisions.
Walter
I'm going to look up at some rooves in Missoula next time i'm in. I've seen very few snow-guarded rooves and only in Alpine areas, not in the 'lowlands' (3600'). I wonder if it's simply more traditional to use them in New England or maybe your snow is so much wetter on the coast that it's more likely to do damage.Nice musings while the sun is blazing...
They are most likely needed on only slate, metal, or tile roofs. Maybe you don't have too many of those in Missoula ??
Well, one thing or more they don't have in Missoula is 'rooves'. Apparently the plural i was actually taught in grade school is one of the exceptions to the pluralization rule that nouns ending in 'f' ---> 'ves'. Looking up both words and roofs...
Colleen, Some pictures here of the rusted off " pigtails " ,one of the hidden part , and one section of roof where they are still not quite gone.
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Keep it coming Walter.
We're starting a Terne coated stainless (TCS) reline tomorrow. Lots of setup, tear out and carpentry to do before the metal gets laid. I'll try to start a thread. My son's getting married this weekend and Peachfest is the next, so I might not get it posted for a while.http://grantlogan.net
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Grant,
Wonderful on all counts - marraige ,Fest and another thread !!
Looking forward to see youing it when you get time.
Thanks for the heads up.
Have fun at Doud's.
Walter
Have fun at Doud's.
OK. The wife's out of town. DP is down the road and has been persuaded to go to a fest on short notice. Change your mind, work on Brian, and the only regret you'll have is that it wasn't a longer trip.
See you there.http://grantlogan.net
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My wife left yesterday for 3.5 weeks in cambodia and Viet Nam with her teaching group from Primary Source out of Salem ,Mass.
That leaves me holding down the Fort with two pets , gardens to water ,etc. etc.
I'd love to meet the whole list of paid attendees -- looks like many I'd feel real comfortable around , but I can't break free this time.
DP is hosting next year -- right- or is it Gunner??
Walter
That leaves me holding down the Fort with two pets , gardens to water
Load the pets in the truck or take them to a kennel like I do mine. Turn on the sprinkler. I paid $29 for a timer for mine.
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Walter,
Can those "pigtails" be fabricated from an impervious metal? ie CU and predrill?
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Chuck,
Yes they can. They are still available for applications now , but their snow holding capabilities are less than stellar.
I use mostly the larger " whales tail " units made by Sieger now.
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Working on the South side of the main house. Copper all in and mostly soldered up.
This side won't need any snow guard protection so I'll slate it in now.
grace to bond from copper to deck 12" strips. Starter course laid on , punching lower holes where under 2nd course slate.
First course laid up using two nails per slate alternating left and right -- then hook each alternating slate on the course above.
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Edited 7/28/2008 5:48 pm ET by theslateman
Walter,
As always, looks great.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
I wished all my customers were as complimentary as you always are . Thank you.
When are you going to add to Small addition thread ?
Walter
Took some time off?
Lookin' good!!
Rained a lot last week so progress was negligible.
Thank you,
Walter
I forgot, we get the rain the day before you do and it did rain a lot last week, so I will excuse you!<G>
Two dumb questions...If you can use a full sheet of copper like you did, why use the pans that you have to crimp and use so much more material? Is there a reason besides aesthetics?Why did you facenail the slates instead of using those copper hook thingies? Do you put a dollop of mastic over the nail heads? It seems like face nailing that low on the plane is an invitation to leakage, even with the I&W Shield. Boilerplate: But Whadda I Know? <G>
Colleen,
I'm assuming your talking about standing seam panel aprons -- like on the Vinalhaven job ?? Yes I sometimes do use flat stock for just aprons , but not quite as attractive in my thinking.
Here the gutters are also lined so SS is not practical.
The nails you're seeing are all covered by the next slate above it. Every other slate in the second course is held by hooks.
Walter
Big ol' "duh!" on the nails. I focused on only one picture and didn't grasp it was the starter course. The standing seam IS even prettier. I suppose it would be possible to line the gutter and run the copper a few inches up the roof plane, then fix the standing seam on top of it.
Anything is possible !
Slating back in on the gutters I've got in place . Adding Sieger Model C snow guards over several areas where doors are used and no porticos.
The first course of guards is easily installed since those slates are already out. It's similar to a new installation.
The second course of guards requires removal of 3 slates for an easy insertion and re slating. I make a scratch on the 3 needed to come out in each location so that the spacing is correct. I pull out the 3 slates on the diagonal.
Mark oit and cut for the guard on the first slate. Install on a hook and right hand nail. the guard is nailed with angled nails to resist pull out. The second slate is double nailed on the right since using a hook beside the guard isn't desired.
Then the last slate is held on just a hook.
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We're not worthy. Great job and great thread. Thanks for sharing.You get out of life what you put into it......minus taxes.
Marv
Marv,
Thanks for keeping an eye on the thread -- it's hard to gauge if people are wathing and / or interested.
Feedback is helpful.
Walter
Great thread, Walter.
Hope your knuckle is going to be fine.
Get well soon.
"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he can't beat you he will just kill you." Steinbeck
Thanks IC. Appreciate the kind words.
Walter
Even though I've never said, I love reading your posts and looking at your pictures.
KEEP 'EM COMING!!!
Josh,
Thank you very much. Wasn't sure how many folks were following along.
Best regards , Walter
We're here. I'm bending the TCSS today. I kinda like this stuff.http://grantlogan.net
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Put some shots up of that. There was a big discussion earlier about bending metal on the lighter breaks.
Gotta start at the beginning.
Put some shots up of that. There was a big discussion earlier about bending metal on the lighter breaks.
I will. I'm using the shop brake. Stainless is pretty stiff. My shear doesn't want to cut it.http://grantlogan.net
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Thats what I mean -- let folks see a 10 footer in action. And learn some techniques too .
I like seeing your shop work, too. I've used small brakes in college classes, but i have to pay to have my metal fascia/drip edge/ice shields made that i've designed so i like knowing what's possible for the machinery to do. I never knew a curve like the gutter reliner could come out so smoothly, for instance.
I've got a different method of radiusing than Walter's. I've got to make some ridge roll for the job in question, so I'll do a demo.http://grantlogan.net
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I'll be watching for it.
Cool, we need a new photo gallery thread.
jt8
"A little 'enthusiasm' and all problems seems small!"
Working on the last two sides installing gutter liners and reslating.
A shared driveway lies just beneath this side so I'm installing Sieger snow guards to help retain the snow.
I can't remember the last time I used alum. pump jack staging for roof work , but because of the driveway I was limited in what to use.
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A few more of todays work.
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Why didn't you nail the braces through the facia into the rafter tails? It would have given you more space.
Nice!!!!!
I had just enough room set up like it was.
I prefer setting pipe staging , but I would have taken up too much of the shared driveway in doing that.
Thanks.
Walter
I hate those narrow picks, much rather be on 20"ers, but you got er done!!!
Looks good Walter. At least you had your pipe staging around the corner to put stuff on.
So did you put this one to bed?
I got some action pics today as Dale and Adam finished a copper built-in job. I'll start a thread later when I finish fabbing 5 chimney caps. View Image
Grant,
Not yet. I've still got the front to do and a bunch of loose ends.
We've had so much rain this Summer that I've lost a lot of hours during this project.
Looking forward to another new thread !
Walter
Walter,
Thanks for the great info, professionalism and pics. I like the way the snow stops kinda line up like soldiers. Are the wire stops for reinforcement?
Once again, your threads are what Fine Homebuilding is all about.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
Thank you again. The wire " pigtails " were installed when the roof was put on in the 19 teens. Their mission was the same as the guards I've just installed , but now many of them have rusted off , or soon will.
Walter
Yes, as the homeowners, we do look at all the pictures and are very happy with the great job Walter is doing. Looks great! Colleen
Colleen,
I went to St. Joes this morning for IV antibiotics. Got a cut from old step flashing out front and my right knuckle was sore and swollen. Back home now soaking with epsom salts.
I'm going to lay low the rest of the day and see how it feels in the morning.
Thanks for the compliments.
Walter
Oh no Walter, I'm so sorry to hear about your knuckle, hope it gets better soon. I guess you'll know more in the morning if it is on the mend or not and if the antibiotics are helping. Let me know if there is anything we can do to help. But yes, by all means, take your time, you need to heal before you get back up there. We are really happy with the top notch work you are doing on the roof, I know why they call you THE SLATEMAN, nobody does it better! Thanks for everything, see you soon. Give us a call if you need anything. Colleen
I'm obviously concerned about infection after my history of issues.
It's just sore - they've given me oral ones too.
The Dr. was Buckley whose home we slated this Spring.
Thanks for your understanding - back to the epsom salts.
Keep dipping Madge!
Walter,Hope you heel well and soon.There are lots of folks that are following this great thread and don't comment.
It is hard to comment on perfection.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
Hardly perfection, but a good serviceable job none the less.
I wished I were half as good as your compliments make me out to be.
Thanks Walter
I'm delighted you provided the house for Walter to chronicle! Out here in the arid West we don't see those gutters, so seeing how you Easterners responded to dealing with rain is quite interesting and the relining is ingenious. I was so entranced with those gorgeous snow-guards that Walter sent me one that's going to make a perfect hose hanger in my solarium.Another 'Colleen'
I can't take the credit, it's all Walter. I am originally Canadian and have only moved to the East Coast 3 years ago, so when in Rome! It's a beautiful Victorian home from the early 1900's that has been a bit neglected over the years, but we hope to change that. Luckily, my husband has a good eye and with Walter helping us out, it should be magnificent when it is finished. We had another local roofing company do some work a couple of years ago, but unfortunately, they did not really fix any of the problems that Walter is addressing today. Thanks for your comments. The other Colleen
My first house was a modest Victorian whose first problem to be addressed was raising the center beam 4". It was an 8-year tutorial, working on my own. I know how very rewarding it is to bring a house back to the way it was meant to be...or better.
I would like to encourage you, if you're inclined, to use the Photo Gallery to post a thread (discussion) on the progress of your house. This folder is perfect to chronicle projects like yours. And welcome to Amerika! Did you bring extra u's with you, neighbour? <G>
We love pictures!!!
Good job. I had one of those swolen knuckeles ones, it took about 3 days for it to get better enough to work again.
I will post pictures of the remodeling as we progress on projects. Thanks Colleen
We did just have some remodeling done on the inside of the house also, an ongoing projects over the years I'm sure. We are still looking to insulate and finish the attic as well as the basement. Some wasted space that we could certainly use. We will take pictures and post on this site as we progress. My husband and I moved to Bangor together 3 years ago, he is from Vancouver, BC. Thanks Colleen
My first husband's family has a summer camp in South Blue Hill and i still get 'rights'. <G> I'd dearly love to spend some time back there...it's so different from the desert here. I'm not sure i'd trade Vancouver for it, though...that's my second favorite place after anywhere in Ireland.I'm looking forward to your progress pics. I have to be really disciplined to take pics as i go instead of blasting through once i get started. These photo gallery threads have encouraged me to document more.
Well then lets see some !!
Well, the Hoophouse is my big project for this year! Not an exotic building by any means, but it's been an interesting experience to deal dynamically with a structure to get the desired effects inside it, even if it's all 'outdoors', so to speak. I just rec'd shade cloth yesterday to start tweaking with that factor. I think i put up some of my solarium and vestibule already. That's about all i have progress pics of since i got kick-started again this year. I have a project with kitchen cab panels cum wainscot this winter that should be a bit unusual in our scrounge-aholic way; i'll run a thread then. For now, it's all about the chlorophyll...which hardly ever is life-threatening. Yikes...hope you heal well.
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Colleen,
I was jesting .
I know the hoophouse thread has been the Summer blockbuster. Wished I could add something useful , but I'm like a fish out of water there.
Walter
Walter,
Thanx for all the updates. Yours is a trade not many know or are capable of.
I am still interested in how the wood (fir, per an earlier post) was framed. Here is the link.
http://forums.taunton.com/n/mb/message.asp?webtag=tp-breaktime&msg=106212.1&maxT=18#a8
Thanx,
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
I won't need to replace any of this wood so far so getting a picture of the assembly isn't real easy.
Next best thing is to attach this Shutterfly album to show how one a few Streets over was put together.
Best regards, Walter
http://share.shutterfly.com/action/welcome?sid=8cbsmrhq1bw¬ag=1
Walter,
Thanx for the link.
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Arne,
Glad you got it o.k. .
Have a great time on the "Rock ". It's a great spot for some R and R
Walter
That was my question.
what do you call that little hook in 014?
"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he can't beat you he will just kill you." Steinbeck
Slate hook is the name when ordering.
Whenever you need to place the last slate when the courses over it's top are already secured - you can use one of these or do as in my last phote, nail in the slot and cover with metal.
Walter
Looks like they would also come in handy doing repairs.
Thanks for the info.
"Never pick a fight with an old man. If he can't beat you he will just kill you." Steinbeck
Yes that's their main purpose - new installs don't usually require many.
Todays work was getting rid of the scuttle cover and slating it back in.
Moving my brake in on Sat. so I can start lining some of this wooden guttering.
I'll remove the old galv. just before I make up and install the new copper.
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More shots of the boarding and slating back in.
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The last few.
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Hey Walter:
Just letting you know I'm following along. I just don't have any questions yet. Rock on.http://grantlogan.net
"I could have had Miss September...... I couuld have had Miss May. I could have had Miss November, but I waited for December....." ZZ Top.
Grant,
With copper in the heading I knew you'd check in !!
Just prepping so far , but getting ready for the real work next week.
Get the oil changed on the van so you fellows don't break down on the way to the Land of Peaches !
Walter
Same here.
Don't forget the slate ripper up there..LOL
Remember we left mine up on that courthouse, so I got that one from you? I managed to break it, but welded it back and have not used it much since. Hope I don't have to.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations
"We strive for conversion,we get lost in conversation, and wallow in consternation. "Me.
Duane,
I've got at least 4 rippers up in the roof now. I don't have to remember to bring one up each morning - and theres one close by when needed.
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Good thinkin. Dale and I always were redundant with tools, that way when one takes a ride down, we don't have to follow it down right away.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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"We strive for conversion,we get lost in conversation, and wallow in consternation. "Me.
nice work
you definitely lost me in the jack install photo.
home made jacks ? seriously ?
are they nailed with copper roofers ?
how do you get them off ?
the closing of the scuttle looks great. i assume you used the salvaged slate to fill in. do you use new slate at the bottom or do you have a supply of old ?
carpenter in transition
Tim,
Yes the wooden brackets are just homemade . I pull several slates and nail the copper "tabs" into the sheathing then hook and nail the slates back in so it's waterproof. When it's time to take them off I simply score along the exposure line on the "tab" then fold up and down until the copper breaks -- leaving the portion thats nailed into the roof still there.
The salvage from stripping the eaves was used to fill in the scuttle as you mentioned. Since I'm using one less course at the eaves -- more copper exposed -- I'll have more than enough slates on the job. I'll not need to bring any onto the site , although I have plenty of the same vintage.
Also the closed valleys will be redone using open construction ,so I'll gain slates there as well.
Walter
Getting the rear section of the ell prepped.
The dormer comes down to where my new copper will go.
Old trim boards laid up tight to the slate. I cut back the sides prior to removal.
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The old metal was installed prior to the sheathing which I find unusual.
My flat bar with hammer assist cuts thru it easily though. My new copper will be installed over the sheathing then trimmed and small claps put on.
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Walter - I still can't get you down here to New Jersey for that job?Nice work BTW.
Jeff
Jeff,
Yes I'm obviously flattered that you'd entertain having me do that lovely home ,but I'm snowed under here.
If it could wait till Spring I'd then make time.
Thanks for looking.
Walter
Would terne coated stainless be an option instead of copper? If so, how do the prices compare these days?
Thanks --
-- J.S.
Yes that would be another alternative metal to use that would also work well.
I don't use it very often and haven't priced it for several years , so I'm sure my figures are not correct.
Walter
here are a few of todays session.
Calls for severe thunderstorms so I didn't want to pull the old metal yet - so I made new lock strip and punched them for my 1" x15 gauge copper nails.
Then unlocked some of the gutter , pulled the old lock strip and prepped the fir gutters front edge , then installed my 20 oz. lock
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The rest of todays sequence.
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We don't want to fix it, we just want to put more goop on it so that it'll leak again next spring.
jt8
"A little 'enthusiasm' and all problems seems small!"
Thats exactly the philosophy the previous owner held, but a surgeon from away moved here and now wants it done up right.
Music to my ears !!
So the new guy realized that it was easier to fix it right once than to do it half-assed every year.
jt8
"A little 'enthusiasm' and all problems seems small!"
Walter,
Thanx for the bracket details.
Keep up the good work and pics. (love Cribbage)
Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Slateman, you're outdoing yourself yet again!
This is some really cool stuff and I'm among the many who appreciate you sharing it.
You should have slate groupies following you around, getting your autograph and stuff.
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Ted,
I haven't done anything yet !!!
I thought the only groupies here had splinters ???
Thanks for following along -- working alone so progress will not be rapid.
Walter
Thanks for following along -- working alone so progress will not be rapid.
If you need a hand I can be there in a couple of days. :D
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Thanks for the offer