Steve,
This thread is nothing like Brian’s (Basswood) epic thread on the train depot brackets.
This home needs some replacement brackets. The left bracket.
The house was poorly redone before this area recieved BHAR designation. The stucco is original, but the hit and run flipper put on vinyl siding and aluminum trim. If the current owner wants to do additional work beyond the current paint job, by others, the improper “improvements” will be undone. Good for BHAR. The right bracket.
I quoted 2 prices. One using 6×6 redwood and one with Cypress. Way over budget. The homeowner is a single Mom with 1 in law school, 2 in college (Auburn) and a rising HS junior that wants to go to Duke.
I did these raised gardens in March for a different client.
Another shot of the Heron
I salvaged enough PT from the raised gardens to do this repair.
Plus some more scraps not shown.
Chuck S
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I like it already.
I started out by using the salvaged right bracket for dimensions and pitch. This information gave me enough to determine this layout.
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The bracket is 55' X 35'. I set up the cross cut sled for the table saw.
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Toggles are screwed to the sled for the 55' cut.
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The 35' cut is made on the chop saw using a stop.
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These braces aare glued up using Tite Bond 3 and tacked.
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The brace is let in to the other 2 pieces for strength.
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The pieces are clamped off to the sled to create the proper angle for the notch.
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A 1/4" spacer is added to "move" the notch.
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A RODS is used to complete the cut.
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A rasp is used to clean up the notch.
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The other end of the 55' notch is cut on the 14" chop saw.
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The 35' end is notched in a similar manner.
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The braces are done.
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The notches for the vertical and top are layed out and transfered.
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A 1" guage block is used to set the distance for the cut.
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The RAS thread had me missing mine. The RAS would be a great tool to have for this job. Another pass on the stacked dado head.
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The final pass.
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Chuck ,
You always make a tedious task look doable and very well thought out .
I wished I felt more comfortable doing the set ups you employ .
Thanks for the clear display of the sequences .
Best regards , Walter
Walter.
Thanks for tuning in. These brackets were started Monday and finished yesterday.
The wood I used was good and dry.
A pattern was cobbled using the damaged bracket. I ended up using the bottom of a 5 gallon bucket and a coffee can.
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A jig saw was used. A band saw would have been better. I donated mine to the local vocational school when I closed my near 30 year old cabinet bussiness back in 2004. I gave them my RAS and joiner as well.
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These pieces are glued, tacked and screwed using 3" SS finish screws. I like this brand because they give you a star drive bit in each box.
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The brackets are dry fit.
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The ends of the top 5"x5" pieces get a 10" bevel to match the existing.
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Once again the 14" saw is used.
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The removable wall plates are screwed to the back of the bracket.
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The plate and bracket are marked and a plate joiner cuts the slots for the #20 bisquits. These are for location only.
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The brackets are dryfit a final time. The notches hold them together nicely.
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chuck
Thanks for the tutorial.
This is the kind of stuff that makes BT fun.
I know it takes alot ot time to put together.
I need to use a table saw sled more often, I just don't think of it
I'll bet you were wishing for your bandsaw back when you were cutting those curves. :)
Thanks again
Rich
Rich,
Thanks for tuning in. I really thank Steve (FatRoman) for enableing me to imbed pics again. I hope Taunton does not get upset for my free "How-tos" I get e-mail offers for their instructional DVDs often.
I will get a 14" Band Saw. I did not have the room for my ancient 20" Oliver band saw for the shop I built behind the house. I used to do a lot of radius commercial and institutional casework. I specialized in radius reception areas and Nurse stations.
The ogee ends are faired with a belt sander.
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The pieces are Bondoed and spackled.
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After sanding to 80 grit the brackets are ready for assemly
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The braces are predrilled for 16D HDG finish nails.
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A small amount of mastic is applied.
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More bondo is applied after assembly
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Chuck,Glad to see you started this thread. I always enjoy seeing your process as it gives me food for thought on how I might approach something similar (but with different tools and a very different skill set)I know you use the Bondo for filling in nail holes, but what's the reason behind its use on the bracket seams? Simply to give a flat surface for paint and cover any imperfections in the wood? Or does it offer a degree of resistance to any water entering that joint as well?Thanks,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,
Glad you are following along.
"I know you use the Bondo for filling in nail holes, but what's the reason behind its use on the bracket seams? Simply to give a flat surface for paint and cover any imperfections in the wood? Or does it offer a degree of resistance to any water entering that joint as well?"
Mainly for a smooth paint surface. Bondo would not offer any water resistance as the wood shrinks. This wood was very dry. Good quality exterior paint nowadays is more like a coating. When we had our house painted the painters spilled some ICI Fortis (similar to Duration) on some 6 mil plastic I put down for them to box on. At the end of the job I was able to pull about a six inch piece of dried paint off the plastic. You could actually stretch the paint and was hard to tear. Caulk at those seams may have been a better choice.
A 1/2" bit that is normally used for drilling pilot holes for wood plugs is used to provide a countersink for installation nails.
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1/4"holes are drilled next.
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The house plate is removed and the holes are deepened
as well so the nails won't split the plate.
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60D HDG nails will go through the top of the bracket into the predrilled house plate after it is screwed to the house.
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Holes were also pedrilled into the ogee bart of the bracket. SS finish screws will be used.
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John picked up the brackets on Tuesday about noon to put 2 coats of paint on for the Wednesday install.
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The wall plate is removed from the bracket. The biscuits will line it back up. Tite Bond III is used.
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Richie screws the plate to the house with 4" #12 SS FH screws through the predrilled holes. John holds the plate in place. Richie wears shorts almost year 'round.
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The brackets are nailed through the top into the predrilled plate. SS finish screws through the ogee hold the bottom. Richie also predrilled some toenails into and from the barge board or fly rafter. Richie then caulks the brackets.
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It took John and Richie about 2 1/2 hours to install and caulk the brackets.
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This was a nice little 2-1/2 day job. I like the ends of the barge boards.
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Hopefully one day the homeowner will be able to remove the vinyl and aluminum trim.
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This 1920's home deserves better.
Chuck S
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Very nice thorough thread. I enjoyed reading the details and pictures. Thanks.
Don, Thanks for looking in.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Edited 11/19/2009 2:09 pm ET by stevent1
Very nice thread.
Enjoyed the clear and concise thought and sequence of work.
Surprised me though, I thought I was the only one who still owned and used that boat anchor of a Makita chop saw.
Life is Good
Thank you. I enjoyed your "Job Site View" winery thread.That saw rarely leaves the shop anymore. Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Edited 11/19/2009 1:38 pm ET by stevent1
dovetail
I was the only one who still owned and used that boat anchor of a Makita chop saw.
Ho about that old belt sander?
I haven't seen one that old in years.
Rich
I can tell you haven't stopped by my place, I have one just like it.... It is one you don't want to set down while running, the cord is so long it will be around the block before you can catch it.
Life is Good
Rich,I had an older PC that looked like the front of a locomotive. Can't locate it. Probably stolen when I had 8 employees back in the day.I still use my PC 505 1/2 sheet sander. My gems are many. A Crapsman 7-1/4" sidewinder and the shoe cut out and the arbor were big enough for the old style Sears wobble dado head. Only tried that once. I can still count to ten. A pair of Skill 66s r&l-hand worm drives. The right hand had the hose attachment for wet cuts. Another gem is a Montgomery Ward electric plane that was a dead ringer for the Porta-Planer. My fav is a late 60's "B&D Commercial" 1/4" router. It is in constant use dedicated to a 1/4" RO bit. I would have to go into the shop's loft to look at tools that I have not plugged in in awhileProblem is I bought these tools new.Geezin'Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Problem is I bought these tools new.
Geezin'
LOL
Rich
Nice job. I too may have a simlar thang coming up, I need to add a back door roof with brackets to the wall, instead of posts.
I used to love that bit I just saw, I think Stanley made them in like 3 or 5 sizes, 3/8, 1/2, 5/8,3/4 and 7/8". I could easily resharpen them, and they cut smooth and fast if ya clear the chips often from deep holes, or else they'd get stuck..LOL
I broke the brad tip off my most used 3/8" and then they discontinued them, I see some one like Lee valley or Garret Wade had re-introduced them..I've yet to remember to snag a new set.
I recently stole an idea from Huck, using the fiberglass resin in lieu of abatron liquid. It also fills similar things that you used the bondo on, minor divots and seams, you may want to hit an auto parts and get a quart. At 17 bucks , I was pleased with the results and cost and the thinner viscosity makes it kinda self levelling AND penetrating.
You do some real fine work there and your shop looks so uncluttered....I'm jealous. Never fails, every time I get a burr under my saddle and really clean up, and organize, some one stops by and say " not much work going on HUH?"..normally every flat surface is covered with something, and the floor is ankle deep in sawdust and shavings.
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Duane,Thanks. I still have the set of bits. I keep it with my plug cutters.I will try the resin. We used to make bar tops and put about an inch of clear on it. Is Huck's resin product similar?The shop seems clean. You should have seen it when I was knocking out David Hawks' kitchen for the "Money Pit". I didn't sweep the sawdust, I shoveled it.Nice copper work you did.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Chuck,
The resin behaves like that epoxy resin finish, but is much more amber. I don't think its touted for use without the cloth, for large , thick repairs. But for rot repair, and middling sized void filler it's darn nice.
I used a ton of abatron, bondo, and whatever I could cobble up ( like Durhams mixed with TBIII) and this stuff is handy, cheaper ( than the Abatron) and sets quicker.
Back in my teens I used a product called "Gorilla Glass" it was just chopped fiberglass in resin, add the hardner and go to town, like bondo. I had forgotton all about the fiberglass resins, till I saw Huck's posts. Now it's a shop mainstay for me. Once hard, it can be a tough nut to sand, is the worst drawback I find.
trying to shake off some flu LIKE symptoms today...hope to get back on the copper in the AM. Hadda do a turnaround when I got just about there this AM..I hate doing that.
Kepp up the great work, I hope to get some shop time this winter.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Duane,Hope you feel better.I am trying to stay away from chemicals as much as I can. I huffed to many over the years through working in less than OSHA standards. No more pre and post cat. No more NGR stain. If a customer wants Walnut stain I sell them Walnut. If they want Maple....I will look into that resin.Load up on vitamin C. Have you tried yoga for your back? It works. Been doing it since back in the day when bo*gs were homemade from bamboo.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Nice work with what you had... but, never let anyone who's child wants to go to dook cry poor<G>Where do you get blue bondo?http://www.tvwsolar.com
We'll have a kid
Or maybe we'll rent one
He's got to be straight
We don't want a bent one
He'll drink his baby brew
From a big brass cup
Someday he may be president
If things loosen up
Holly,No poor mouthing by the owner. She was married to a timber baron who became a day trader, who then wandered. She moved from a 12,000 sf home with 2000 sf guest house, runway, pool house, etc... She has a MSN in psychiatric nursing and works many hours. I got my normal fee. Just not my recomended materials.The Duke thing is legacy and the family owns most of Hillsborough Rd and Guess Rd.That "blue bondo" is a guess to me as well. Prolly a snafu with a $50.00 point and shoot 5 pixel camera.Did you finish that house ?Chuck S.
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<The Duke thing is legacy and the family owns most of Hillsborough Rd and Guess Rd.>She didn't pay you in Monopoly money, did she? LOLIf you're talking about the Superior Wall house, we are almost done. Painters are doing their thing. If you were talking about the spec, it's done, sold, and almost finished me<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com
We'll have a kid
Or maybe we'll rent one
He's got to be straight
We don't want a bent one
He'll drink his baby brew
From a big brass cup
Someday he may be president
If things loosen up
Got the PT thing going, and some vigorous stretching type moves. I'd say the back is up to 80% better, driving is my only real bad pain now.
I dunno what whacked me today, I woke up punky, and it got worse insted of better as the day went on. Ate a pile of hash browns and so far so good. Gonna call it an early night and hope to sleep away whatever is trying to hijack me.
Just so happens I have another Dr.s appt tomorrow for follow up with the back meds, so if I'm still wonky, he'll get me ironed out.
Them old days of chems probably will kill us, I too went boldly beyond what would kill the average woodworker, and worked with EB, DB, and all the good stuff..Diabasic ethers are nasty. And that was MAKING waterbased "Safe" finishes..LOL.
I see you recycle the old sq. cans into parts bins too..I cut the wide side out and fold the edges over and make drawers and parts cleaning trays, for my spray guns. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Duane,
Quick hijack here.
Decided to try learning to play a guitar again.
What is a good starter guitar?Pete[email protected]
Thats a pretty wide question.Students I've had in the past, I try to get them on a classical with steel strings. Reason being , nylon drift out of tune readily, and the guitars that are meant to have nylon ( in low price range) are really sometimes not all that great.Classical because the wider and flatter fret board is good for building up finger power, esp. Barre chords.Starting out w/ele. is missing a lot of the hand work, and many want to be power chording away, and never learn the rudiments. So acoustic is my recommendation for all beginners, then move on to ele.I'd hit a pawn shop, most often thats the best place to find a "begginers" model/price that someone gave up on or out grew.If ya can't find a classical steel, go with a Takemine Jasmine type or a Washburn...both are decent, and rarely do they need major adjustments ...try one out ,make sure its not like playing barbed wire, and you can always customize it with nut and bridge work or string gauges to find your happy place.Stay away from the 99.00$ Walmart and , that guy on TV with the black hat..I forget his name, but it's somnething Spanish sounding, those guitars are a step up from walmart, but its a small step.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Appreciate.
See lots of those on Craigslist Dallas. I have a touch of ADD and need to find a way to focus and relax a little. Had a cheap guitar years ago but trying to become rich and working a lot I gave up. Still ain't rich. But apparently older and wiser for what that's worth.Thanks,
Pete
Good luck on the relaxing playing. I do that to cut the edge, when I'm PO'ed or just fidgetty.Just don't get a guitar that doesn't really fit your hands, or has a real high action, you'll just get frustrated and have no joy.As an aside, my favorite, GO TO, daily player is a Hiro Suzuki , Suzuki Violin Co. Japan. Maybe a mid 70's copy of a Martin D-35...I found it in a pawn shop in Mobile Al. when I was there working. Green strings, moldy, mildewy, and basically filthy. 100 bucks w/ cardboard case.I spent a few hours polishing and unstinking the inside ( failed, it STILL emits a musty smell when played hard) added new strings all that jazz..in a motel room.
That was 91 or 92, and now it's one of the best axes I have ever played or seen..No lie. Sometimes you DO eat the bear..I lucked out.So keep your eyes open, great finds are out there.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Guess I'll be a pest.
How about Yamaha?
http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/msg/1477407854.htmlThis is about as much as Mrs. may allow me to spend...not that I have to ask ya know.Pete
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That would be senor esteban and his miracle guitar."Put your creed in your deed." Emerson
"When asked if you can do something, tell'em "Why certainly I can", then get busy and find a way to do it." T. Roosevelt
Yeah, dats him.I can't bad mouth his stuff too much, being as I don't have hands on of his guitars or course, but the quality just can't be there.I worked for and with and was an independant builder. The words in the industry are " There are only 3 guitar makers, Martin, Gibson and Fender"And its like GM, Ford and Chrysler in that respect..the BIG 3.There's hundreds of great manufacturers, oddly enough Esteban's never make the grade.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Chuck,You make any cabinets, etc. from bamboo? Always curious about those and their low VOC/no formaldehyde.And I don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about on that other bamboo project :) Best,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Steve,I have no experience with making any thing from bamboo. Most of what we see today is flooring that has been reconstituted. The only experience I have with bamboo is drilling out the rings and coating the interior with beeswax.Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood
Fatroman,I've done a lot of commercial and residential work with Bamboo, I built bench seating for a whole chain of Mexican restaurants out of it. It comes as 4x8 sheets of plywood or you can get veneer and lay it up on whatever substrate you like. Plyboo and Teragren are the two major manufacturers I use. It definitely gets you some LEED points on projects going for that certification though every commercial millwork shop I know who uses it shoots it with a bunch of lacquer which negates the point in my opinion. I personally use shellac and patience to build up a nice finish on it for personal / residential projects. The silicon in it dulls saw blades relatively quickly but it cuts/sands/routs like any other plywood/particle board material.If you like the look of the core, which I do as it is solid bamboo strips, then it saves you the step of edgebanding while making cabinet components. I'm building a kitchen out of it over the next few weeks at my shop in Arlington, I bought the sheets at A&M Supply, $250/sheet natural color Teragren. If I have any decent sized cutoffs perhaps you can grab a piece if you'd like to check it out.
I like the bamboo core look, also... puts plywood doors on a whole nother level.http://www.tvwsolar.com
We'll have a kid
Or maybe we'll rent one
He's got to be straight
We don't want a bent one
He'll drink his baby brew
From a big brass cup
Someday he may be president
If things loosen up
Ray,Your work isn't for Chipotle by chance? I know they've got that funky industrial/exposed ply edge motif going on.Very nice of you to offer. If you've got an extra bit, I'd be happy to drop by and take a look. There's a guy on another forum I check into from time to time that's done some interesting furniture work with bamboo, so I'm always curious about it. http://www.ecofurniturevictoria.com/Thanks,
Steve'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Every Chipotle I've been in has had maple plywood.
Nice thread. I'd be sitting here thinking, "is he going to..." and then in the next post you'd answer my question before I even asked it.
jt8
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John,
Thanks. Did you finish the project home?
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Thanks. Did you finish the project home?
Yup, it is done and sold.
jt8
Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you. -- Carl Sandburg
steven
Richie wears shorts almost year 'round.
We have kids and a couple of working guys that wear shorts year round.
In NW IA we get to -20 F just about every year.
average winter temp can be 15-20 F.
I am in shorts from late april well into sept or oct.
Rich
Hi Chuck,Very cool work! The let in brace is an improvement over the original design, I assume. Nice sled work. Thanks for the thread,Brian
Thank you Brian.
These are nothing like the great white oak ones you replicated.
The edges are eased.
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After sanding, the units are primed.
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Then caulked
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"A RODS is used to complete the cut."
What is RODS?
Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA
Real old dovetail saw is my stab at it.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Jon,
Reversible offset dovetail saw.
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Harummph, I was close (G)Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Duane,
What do you think of this buy... seems better than my Craigslist prospects.http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/3102-3BHope you have a great turkey day and your back doesn't keep you from overeating.Pete
Now that sounds like a safe and sweet deal. Heck, I can't buy the electronics for that, or the wood!Snag one, I'm even tempted.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Thanks Duane....just ordered it.
Wish you were close to give lessons..Have a great Thanksgiving...
Breaktime is the greatest.I tell my wife that the guys and gals on BT make me feel humble. The talent in all areas that is available to all.Cameras, computers, websites, legal issues, medicine, music, reading, and, even construction can be accessed. AMAZINGPete
Great!Just grab a few Mel Bay books, and go from there. Memeorize a blues scale in maj and min , and the basic chords in the first position.Then barre your minors and majors in the same positions as an E and Em down the neck...thats where I start people off.Find a flat pick you like, my fav. is a Grey Dunlop .73 MM..enough grippage and flex ...nylon.After that and some delicious cross picking methods, loose the pick and go finger style. Then hybred pick and fingers. Then figure out how Mark Knophler bends his thumb back like he does..I still can't.Play loud.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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