An old carpenter told me when i first started.
Everybody that comes to the job thinks your sawhorses are public property.
All these years i have noticed he was right, I even had other trades take them home.
A few times Hos said the sawhorses should stay at the end of the job????.
Well at any rate my 2 boys come over and take my sawhorses so today Im MAKING them there own sets.
Its been years since i had time to make any so gonna use wood thats been laying around.
From now on no one gets MINE!!!!!.
And one more thing i dont want youse guys putting your coffee cups on my sawhorses while Im on BT!!!!
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You make them horses yet? Whats taken so long!!??
When your done, post some pics ( that way we know which ones to take).
I have only ripped angles on the 2 by 6 tops so far. dont rush me;]
My grandfather was a carpenter on subdivision jobs around St. Louis in the 40's and 50's and he told me that they all built new horses the first day on a new job. New guys were watched closely since building the horses told a lot about their abilities.
I needed some once and he wouldn't let me use his but showed me how to build some of my own. IIRC, that took most of a day. - lol
When i first framed we built our horses first. However one might think one was a bad carpenter because we built them very fast and not like normal ones. We took a 2 by4 on edge, put 2 flat, one top and one on the bottom like an I beam, then cut legs, The one flat on the bottom gave the angle for the legs.
"When i first framed we built our horses first."That's what I've always done. I build them like you do but without the top 2"x4". You can get two horses from 3 ten footers. You don't need to worry about moving them, as towards the end of the job they usually just disappear.
Yes we left the top one out to sometimes. We used really crooked 2 by stuff that we knew was only good for that or short cripples
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>>a 2 by4 on edge, put 2 flat, one top and one on the bottom like an I beam, then cut legs, The one flat on the bottom gave the angle for the legs.<<When I do build them, that's how I build em. Angle works out to a magical 15 degrees every time. Those are some strong ones too. I had a set of those with a huge mountain of stuff on them out in the yard for a bout 10 years before the legs rotted away...then I knew it was time to throw a way the stuff on top of 'em.Steve
I use 3/4" ply and pocket hole screws, light and strong.I set the legs in and straight (only splayed one way), not quite as stable, but fine for holding trim and keeps me from stubbing my toes on the horse legs.
Those look like nice horses. Makes sense that a cabinet and trim guy would have lots of extra cabinet-grade plywood laying around. Me, I've always got a pile of 2x4's...plywood, not so much...I never bother to splay them out to the ends either.
Those look nice for around the shop.But why the pocket holes? If you just screwed straight in horizontally, you could have four screws, two high, and two low, and you could use beefier panheads, too:The #14 screws that I used in my 116001.67 horses really make a difference in rigidity.And for lightweight horses, building a bombproof top joint allows you to skip the lower braces, making for stackable horses.AitchKay
Im way glad you said that cause at one rental i have a set with loaded deck material for years. Now i dont feel so bad.
I'm not gonna tell you about the 30 bags of concrete that sat under a tarp in the back yard until it turned into a massive sculpture of a pile of concrete pillows. I left it there for years as an offering to the gods of procrastination...
LOL ok im glad you said THAT cause i have 5 bags that got wet and are useless. Now i dont feel so bad;]
I blame it on NJ. I'm not a native, but I've married and divorced one Joisey goil, and my squeeze for the last 18 years is also a Joisey goil, and I've spent way too much time there. I think it leads to acceptance of all manner of un-finished bidness...
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hey those are valuable. Just what you need to add some weight to the back of the pick up next time it snows at the coast.Hang on to them and if DW complains explain just what I told you they were for.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
I already threw them under the neighbors blackberry bushes, Cant get at them again without a bulldozer;]
Goats my friend, Goats!
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Every thing, is a saw horse.
Back to school Bob.
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I bought some of those nice heavy folding steel ones. Accidentally cut a notch in the top of one with my circular saw. Thinking the old wood ones weren't so bad now.
Dam
I have a set of folding steel sawhorses in each van.
We attach a sacrificial 2x6 (hex drive barn screws from below) so that we can freely cut plywood or rip a board over the sawhorse (cutting in to the 2x6).
After about 6 months we put on a new 2x6.
They are ususally about $50 each. I imagine shipping is killing amazon on this deal.
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Used to make 'em. Got tired of them taking too much room in the truck. Get these. 70 bucks a set. 2500 lb capacity, adjustable legs for height changes and uneven terrain. Throw some 2x4's in the notches and you've got a good strong table. Fold flat and weigh nearly nothing so they can just get chucked in on top of everything else. Best thing since sliced bread.
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They are great, have a pair in the van next to the Husky fold up table thingy.For those who have fought for it Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.
I got made fun of for asking for a second set for christmas. But I got'em. yes!
You got it, lightweight folding plastic:http://www.stanleytools.comOver the years I kept making my horses lighter, still held anything I needed. Have never folded a plastic one before I wanted to. And, don't have to make a special trip to the job just to drop off the horses. I can get 3 sets in the truck with all the tools.http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
I use the same ones. They're very good horses. I think I have 4 pr.
I found out the hard way that its not a good idea to use that lower shelf as a step, tho.
I have one that's a bit crippled in the lower shelf area... still not time to shoot it, though<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
you could always send it to the glue factory instead!!!!
But then again I wouldn't want to be "saddled" with that responsibility
Thanks for that. I'm adding a set of those to my list; never heard of them before. I especially like the feature for uneven ground (lots of it around here!)Scott.
Edited 2/1/2009 11:17 pm by Scott
I have a couple of the plastic ones. My only complaint is that they are so light that if you try and slide a board along them they tend to tip over.
True. Nine times out of ten I've got 2 x 4 stretchers in the notches which prevents that. HArd to believe they are as strong as they are rated at. They seem flimsy, but I've loaded 'em up pretty good...
"I've got 2 x 4 stretchers in the notches which prevents that."Ah, that's what they are. Mine don't have that.
Those are nice, I have a cheap set of plastic ones because as you said they take room up in the truck. Im making sets for my boys houses and to leave at my rentals
I just bought my second set. Love them.
2x4 planks have now been installed, amazing how fast and easy a carbide blade cuts steel.
wait a minute...
i thought everything was a hammer
except a screwdriver which is a chiselNo Tag
Bobm,
Real saw horses. Made out of 6061-T6 and Honduras Mahogany, Made about 25, work was slow.
WSJ
What do you do when someone runs a worm drive across that screw?How can you understand God if you can't understand people? How can you understand people if you can't understand yourself?
Use brass bolts or the neat fiber reinforced plastic toilet bolts. Or use the Bosch framing blade that eats lag bolts with no problem.For those who have fought for it Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know.
"What do you do when someone runs a worm drive across that screw?"
Sasquatch,
Given they are grade 8, who or what is the victim?
WSJ
Huh?How can you understand God if you can't understand people? How can you understand people if you can't understand yourself?
Help with a re-size. Couldn't get Irfanview to cooperate.
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OK, Think I got it.
WSJ
Are those strictly for the shop ???
"Are those strictly for the shop ???"
Actually , yes. Can, and have held over 6K lbs.pair.
WSJ
Beautiful!!!!!!!!!
Can, and have held over 6K lbs.pair.
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"6k lbs of what?"
You are not a tool maker, I think, but I do not know.
Made one once that weighted over 25K lbs.
Tool steel is heavy.
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workshopjon,
back in the '80's I was chrome plater- most of out work was chrome plating tool&die work and plastic injection molds for the auto industry similar to your horses we had a low set and 2 high sets of horses
the low set on a dailey bases held molds that weighed over five tons I am basing that weight estimate on the fact that the large molds we did formed the front end of 2 cars at once( the headlight/grill assembly) and we needed to over load 2 five ton overhead cranes to pick them up.- those we worked on a pair of 4x4 timbers on the floor---- but often we had single molds that made only one front end at a time------( presumably about half the double weight)-Those we set up on horses Ours were steel---- but quite possibly your horses hold more weight than you thinkStephen
Suhhhhhhweeeeeeet!Now that's a set of horses a man can be proud of.Scott.
Ah, resizing much better.
With horses like that all you need is a fine mahogany top, say 36"X 60" and you have a first rate dining room table.
Runnerguy
WOW im not posting any pics of mine now;]
Have you considered therapy?? That is some serious overkill. - lol
the difference between your AL & mahogany horses and mine(all 2x NG nail construction) is that you'll be pixxing & moaning when someone wrecks yours
DAMN... thats not a saw horses that frick'n ART... thats fine furniture.... in a gallery they'd be $1200ea
I'm in lust
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wow, those are nice. I wouldn't mind having those in my house
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Thanks Mike, I will read that, Im so lazy im just copying the set i have now
Do what I did. Make them so big and bulky nobody can carry them without help.
I'm bringing sexy back.
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You ain't done wit dose sawhorses, yet ?
Do what I did, make them really stout!
see light little sawhorses are easy to walk away with.. however I made my sawhorses out of 4x4 material and not only do they hold tons of weight they stay in place no matter what I'm doing..
Plus nobody wants to take them home.
Great Whites with 2 x 6s -
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I have at least a dozen or more
Jeff
I have 27" and 35" sets of Trojan horses. Quite versatile, you can even make like a long skinny bench out of 'em.http://www.amazon.com/Trojan-TS-27-27-Inch-Sawhorse-Complete/dp/B0000224RNView ImageView Image
With a couple of small add-ons they would make a good portable miter saw bench.
Ken,
I am surprised only you and dovetail mentioned the trojan sawhorses. I have enough to make 7 pairs of sawhorses (28 individual legs) and use them to make temporary supports for granite countertops while fabricating them. I find the 36" horses work best for my purposes but I am working on the edges of the material set on them more so than the top.I love them and have no need to try anything else at this point.I usually make my sawhorses a minimum of six feet long and have gone up to 18 foot depending on the countertop. I add a c-clamp to the horse where it grips the two by six as a bit of insurance. I also replaced my 1/4" pivot bolts with some grade 5 hardware after having a few bolts shear off.I have only had one failure and it was the 27" set of legs I had. I set them up on my back lawn and unloaded a truckload of 1/2 plywood onto them. Not that many sheets, maybe thirty sheets. The next morning the legs had sunk into the lawn and they had twisted into pretzels.Now I don't load them heavily unless they are on concrete or asphalt.Trojans only have one drawback and that is they don't transport well as they are bulkier that some of the other collapsing sawhorses. Karl
Well, I mentioned 'em, at least. And I even own a set, just don't use 'em that much.The legs-only version of my horses in 116001.67 function exactly like the Trojans. They're handy because, like you, I often want to make a 12'-long drying rack for trim, etc I'm pretty sure mine pre-date the Trojans by several years, maybe as much as 10.I'm not a big fan of metal feet -- too much of my work is remodeling, so I like my floor-friendly wood version.AitchKay
Jeff i can no do metal ones here, Im right on the ocean, they rust away very fast. I leave them outside though
Good point - Great Whites are galvanized but they will rust over time. Salt water would make that worse obviously.
Jeff
Here’s a set of folding horses I built in 1977, and still use every day. They were an improvement upon my then-boss’s design, which he had copied from an old partner.
I looked at what worked, and what didn’t, and came up with this design:
3’ high to top of work surface -- a little high for most plywood work, but perfect for scribing, hand-planing, etc.
I bought the most bombproof store-bought bracket that I could find, and went from there. After the brackets, the next set of hardware I got was a set of table-leg braces, but I have since used the braces from old, defunct stepladders, and also plywood shelves, hinged at one edge, and with screen-door hooks at the other.
The sawhorse brackets are screwed to all four of the legs (#14 panheads, better than 1/4†lags). Two of them are also screwed to the 2x4 support for the 2x6 top.
The other two legs are not screwed to the top 2x4. That way, they are free to fold flat. For added rigidity, these two folding legs are screwed to a 1x4 horizontal brace halfway down.
The 1x4 brace is on one side only, though, so that the horses can be snaked through a rough-framed wall, and also so that they can be set up close together, with 2x6 tops touching, if desired.
The 2x6 top is attached from below, up through the 2x4, with three lag bolts, counter-bored to reach 1†into the 2x6 top. So far, I’ve never hit one with my saw. I replace the tops once or twice a year.
I also built a few legs-only sets, which work like the Trojan sets, and just clamp on.
They fit nicely into the truck, but for big jobs I sometimes carry a couple of pairs on my swing-away Thule hitch-mount bike rack.
You can tell the age of these horses by the SLOTTED panheads that attach the brackets, and the SLOTTED flatheads that hold the 1x4 braces!
I built these puppies back when cave men were babies, but they’re still stiff, no wiggle, and no-one I’ve worked with has had any hesitancy to us these horses for staging, as they even now have less wiggle than most store-bought units.
I’ll put these old farts up against any and all comers for portability, rigidity, versatility, and any old “-ity†you can name!
AitchKay
NICE!!!!
Cool, you should have put a patent on those cause I'm going to steal that. I have very limited space for my stuff. I have some plastic folding sawhorses but never been thrilled with their stability. Thanks for posting that
I still make em the old fashioned way, 2x4 head .1x6 legs and 1/4' ply gussets.If they are properly made you can stand on the end of a horse and it won't tip.You can saw or do any work without fear of the horse tipping.The legs are made so they open to 16" at the bottom and are 48" from one end to the other. This is handy if you need to set up before a floor is installed.I have seen three pairs of my horses with 1500 lbs across one pair.The head and the legs were bowed but they held up. They were built for ironworkers installing steel insulated panel siding for the Wills Eye hospital in Phila.Pa.I walked by one day and laughed when i saw this. The forman told me they loaded them up every day to work on them.I didn't think they would have held that much weight.I suppose i made about a hundred or more in the last 45 years. The legs are cut to fit the head so that the legs wedge tightly into the head,the more weight the tighter the legs get. These horses probably weigh under 10 lbs each. Union carpenters were taught this way when I started my apprenticeship, hopefully they still are. Now I make em once in a while for other carpenters for their side jobs.
mike
Amazing how far a little attention to detail goes, eh?AitchKay
does anybody remember a clamp-type metal sawhorse bracket with a cam-action plate on the bottom?
I think they're called 'speedclamps' or 'speedhorses' or something? (they're at the job now...)
You stick 2x4 legs in the bottoms and the jaws bite another 2x vertical for the top.
I have a set and they're great. Had 'em since I was 20.
I have trojans too, but I'd buy another set of the speed whatevers in a heartbeat. I think they're long gone.
That sounds like the brackets I used for my folding horse design.Take a closer look at my pics, and see if they look familiar.As I said, they were the most bombproof brackets I could find.I think they were Dalton Speedee brackets.I threw away the clamp-action plates, and the bolt that tightened them, but they worked well.I just found a pair of horses with those brackets in a little old lady customer's garage, clamped to some nasty, irregular-length 2x4s. But the clamp action is holding tight! I'm going to offer to build her a nice set of horses in trade for those.Then I think I'll walk through the streets calling, "Old lamps for new, old lamps for new!"AitchKay
Your story about thieves and such reminded me of the Sugar Mill I once did some construction in. (Back when I was an ironworker, before I got my brains knocked out and became a carpenter:-)
The maintenance shop foreman got tired of his tools being stolen so he started welding words, (the kind of words that get you a vacation on Breaktime), on all his large wrenches, etc. Never lost another.
bobbys
Since you started the thread and we are al showing sawhorse designs I posted this to you.
We use the Stable Mate as I posted in #28. These are the ones we use daily. They are sturdy and portable.
Here is a picture of a pair of them in our vans.
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bobbys
But when I build sawhorses I like this design.
Legs are angled out at 15 degrees in both directions.
Legs are made from 1x12. Approximately 7" at the top and 4" at the bottom.
I am short so the height is 30".
I like to be able to stack them and have them lightweight. These are in my shop holding our worktable. I like be abel to take the worktable out and open up the space if we need it.
I built on set for a volunteer church remodeling and just left them at the jobsite. I neve got them back and didn't intend to.
Rich
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I guess it doesn't make sense for a trim carpenter to throw a bunch of scraps together at each jobsite. Those Fat Max and collapsible aluminum horses look to be the hot ticket.For me, a 2x6 on edge with a 2x4 flat underneath and a 15* cut on the legs and a scrap of 2x across the legs for a brace and a place to hang my saw is too easy and cheap to worry about store bought.I make them the same height as my Dewalt miter saw stand and have infeed and outfeed for miles. At around 38" they are tall though
here's a pic of the stanley fat max with a cutting platform that locks together
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thanks dude....
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Yeah, that one was so weighty it was going to cause an avalanche!
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I sure do hope you get those horses ready by summer so you can model them for us wearing your one piece swimsuit and your smile
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Not as good as these puppys;]. I saw these on a concrete contractors site and just had to take a pic;].
That one looks like it's holding a knife in its teeth!AitchKay
Hum.....
Always wondered what happened to the guy that built a set like that for me
Looks like he went into the concrete business.
Man, you need a corral... gidddy yup!http://www.tvwsolar.com
I went down to the lobby
To make a small call out.
A pretty dancing girl was there,
And she began to shout,
"Go on back to see the gypsy.
He can move you from the rear,
Drive you from your fear,
Bring you through the mirror.
He did it in Las Vegas,
And he can do it here."
Is that the way to get baby sawhorses?
View Image"Is that the way to get baby sawhorses?"
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Where are your minds?????;]
heh heh All I saw at first were the horizontal stakes 'til Don spoke and I had to go back for another look.
Pretty good actually.
Heck, he even deserves another award for original creativity.
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aw, shucks, thanks.
Where are your minds?????;]
Right where they're supposed to be... focused on the things that ensure the long-term survival of the species :-)
You trying to shut down the Prospero server there boy?
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I have the Trojan sawhorses, better yet I have the original "Trojan" prophylactic still in it's wrapper that they gave away with them when the sawhorse came to market.
Bet you didn't know that they took the name from the prophylactic because they were expandable and unbreakable. Cute marketing.
private life a bit quiet???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Naw, No need for it, fall some years back took the little swimmers.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
OUCH!!!!
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
I did not know that. I have one set of folding plastic sawhorses. I just cant see myself buying sawhorses for extras.
Here’s a design that I haven’t made yet, but thought up the last time I replaced a bunch of doors:
The legs would be angle-cut at the top to meet the crossbar, but would be fastened to each other with old butt hinges below the crossbar.
Those hinges would leave only about a 1/2†gap between the legs, so the 2x4 crossbar could be ripped on both sides to reduce it to 1/2†thick at its bottom edge.
But I’d leave it full, and cut angled housings to receive the leg tops -- a dado about 1/4†d. at the top, 1/2†d at the bottom edge would leave about the right thickness to fit the hinged-together legs.
As with my other folding horses, the legs on one side would be permanently attached at the top. The other two would be held together by the lower brace.
Since the hinge screws would be stressed for pullout, I’d probably screw it all together, then go back and replace some/ all of the screws with machine bolts & T-nuts.
That would help to empty those coffee cans full of old hinges, at least.
AitchKay
You done with those sawhorses, yet ?
Im surprized you would doubt me;].
Doubt ? No.Impatient ? Yes.....
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