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cabinet crown that runs into door case

jeffwoodwork | Posted in General Discussion on May 13, 2006 01:30am

Ok, some brilliant kitchen designer has put the cabinet layout so close that the 3″ crown on top of the cabinet now runs into the door case trim 3 1/2″.  I have run into this before were the crown hits the window case by maybe 1/2″-1″, doesn’t look the best but it can be notched to fit the casing.  In this case the crown protrudes about 2 1/2″ into the case, notching just doesn’t look great.  Different cabinets to shrink the layout is not an option.  I thought about returning the crown into a block, where the long piece is cut at a 22 1/2 then a short piece at 22 1/2  and 45.  This makes the run of crown shorten up and keeps it off of the case.  Anyway any thoughts, I’m going to play with the crown see what looks the best, it has to be done on both left and right sides of this cabinet run.

thanks Jeff

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  1. philarenewal | May 13, 2006 01:52am | #1

    One approach would be to mount a strip a few inches wide at 90 degrees to the top of the cab, but first cut the case so it dies into that piece appropriately.  Mount the crown so the bottom of the crown attaches to the edge of that piece.  You can either do a standard reveal, or mount it so the bottom edge of the crown creates a reveal on the "underneath" of the piece.

    Can you post pictures of what you're working with?

     

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    1. DanH | May 13, 2006 02:00am | #2

      It sounds like you might be thinking of the same thing I was thinking of: Basically have the last several inches of crown angle inward (maybe a 10-15 degree angle) and then, since that would put the bottom of the crown inside the cab edge, just use the slice of the angled crown that's proud of the cab edge and back it up with a flat piece, even with the cab edge, more or less.
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    basswood | May 13, 2006 02:03am | #3

    How close is the top of the cabinet to the top of the casing? I've stacked a filler or other molding on top of the cabinets to get crown to end just above door casing before.

    Your plan would work too and wouldn't require additional materials or delays.

    "Early returns" look OK to me.

    Here are pics of a return before a corner and fancy elevated crown, but a plain filler or inverted base can work too.

    1. jeffwoodwork | May 13, 2006 02:23am | #4

      Wow you guys are fast either you have the day off or you must be further east than Washington state.  Basswood your second picture is what I was trying to describe "early return" never knew it had an actual "technical term" that seems to be the best option.  The doors are 8' and the cabinets also at 8' so makes it a bugger.  I have about one or two days left on this 5000 sqft home want to get it wrapped up.  Thanks for the responses.

      Jeff

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        basswood | May 13, 2006 08:53pm | #5

        --"Wow you guys are fast either you have the day off or you must be further east than Washington state.  Basswood your second picture is what I was trying to describe "early return" never knew it had an actual "technical term"Jeff,Two time zones east of you (MN), so I had been home from work for a little while (I ran casing and base all day friday)."Early return" is what I call it, there may be a better term.I was asked to look at fixing the same kind of situation this week, so I have a pic of a dilemma like yours (cab guy on this job just cut his crown in a straight line at the spring angle--not coped or returned). Also, another "early return" pic. Looks like a compromise here but the ajacent display slides in and out and I had to stop crown early to stay back from the end (going past the cabinet was a no-no here). Early returns look best on the sides of wall cabinets and with smaller crown so the return is closer to the end.In my cabinet crown/casing situation I think I need to add on to the top of the cabinet with a filler so cabinet crown runs into the wall above the casing or rehang the cabinets up two inches...it will be an interesting discussion with the HO. Walls 20" above counter works fine for ave/tall people. The 18" above counter walls and 36" counters were established 60 years ago when the average mericun was a couple inches shorter--higher is better for many people today.Little of this informs your situation...just ramblin' about how I might fix this other goof.

  3. TRIGGER | May 13, 2006 10:15pm | #6

    Wish I had a pencil!

     Cut the verticle picec of the window caseing horizontally at the top of the window.

    Remove the horizontal piece of caseing.

    Replace the horizontal piece of caseing with a piece of 5/4 x yea high.

    Now you have  nice square corners to jog your crown molding into, out, and around.

    Looks Bitchen!

    TRIGGER

     

  4. bzavitz | May 15, 2006 12:35am | #7

    Sounds  to me that if your cabinet top and window casing are at the same height, you could replace the mitered corner of the casing with a Victorian-type corner block No detail except maybe a champhered edge or whatever to make it blend with the casing. The run your crown right into it.

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