Hello, I am planning to install 14″ solar tube, the joist is 14″ center, the rafter is 24″ center. I want to install the tube straight but the rafter is on the way, and because the height from the ceiling to the roof is only 18″ plus the height of the flash is 10″, even I try to twist the tube, I can’t make it. So if I can cut this joist, see pic. Thanks.
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BTW, How can I pos the pic instead of attached a file? Thanks.
Greetings Vince.
Your attachment got the point across ok.
Here's what a poster wrote a while back. If you need more directions on embedding the pics in the post just ask back here again. Cheers.
To get the pic in the thread:
First of all, keep it small (100 - 200 kb).
Attach the file, then preview the post.
Click on the attachment to see it.
Right click on the pic and select copy
Use the browser's back button.
Select revise.
Wherever you want the pic, right click and select paste.
Edited 6/29/2009 9:35 am ET by rez
Thanks Rez, it works. :-)
Sure, but use glue and structural screws instead of clamping the sister.
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No. You aren't resupporting that the right way.
Yes, but that would be considered boogering. I can guide you in this procedure but I'd need to know more.
just tell him to put in an off set or header it...
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Edited 6/28/2009 11:22 pm by IMERC
No..you tell him LOL.
Was there a massive hailstorn near you recently?
missed me...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
How close? in hours?
far away and many...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Is there anyone in here close to that storm that you know of?
I asked...
everybody just said...
yeah... we got some hail...
sooooo..... what storm and where???
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
found a couple....
the on the scene didn't think much of it...
the outside world thought they got their lunch ate...
go figure...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
That's not a pier. It's a light tunnel
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you are so right. and more awake than I :) thanks and good night.
Make the sistered piece overlap the cut joist at least two feet on each side of the gap.
Use polyurethane glue and four 5/16"x 4" hex bolts on each side of the cut. Use thrust washers on both sides of the bolts, too, to prevent the head and nut crushing into the wood as you tighten it down.
Set the four bolts in a staggered pattern so that no two bolts are the same distance from any edge.
Note: If you've never used polyurethane glue before, you need to wipe down the wood with a damp cloth before you spread the glue on. This type of glue cures by reacting with water, so the wood needs to be damp. The glue will start foaming within a few minutes, so once you've got the glue spread, assemble the joint right away and clamp down on the bolts.
Don't try to wipe off any foaming glue that squeezes out of the joint; wait a few hours till it's dry then trim the cured foam with a razor knife if it's in your way.
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not brought
low by this? For thine evil pales before that which
foolish men call Justice....
Piffin, I meant clamp a new piece overlap as the pic then use screws to hold them. Thanks Dinosaur with a detail iView Imagenstruction.
Edited 6/29/2009 2:08 am ET by vincent843
Edited 6/29/2009 2:09 am ET by vincent843
So granted that there are many roads to Socialism, Premier Khrushchev...I'm curious why Gorilla glue and bolts as opposed to PL and 3" screws or sistering the joists to either side and then capping the severed joist with a single/double header? (guessing the one side is close enough to the eave to use just a single on that tail)Inquiring minds and all that.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Wonder how they did it in the olden days, before Gorilla glue. I've pretty much banished that stuff because of problems unrelated to glue bonds. Like glued hair, black spots on my hands and whatever else, glued clothes, glue foam out, short open bottle life, etc.Id just spike on a 8' splice most likely.
You can lengthen the open bottle time by squeezing the air out of the bottle before you cap it. And a tyvek suit and nitrile gloves will fix those other problems.
there are many roads to Socialism, Premier Khrushchev...
Oh, nutz! Thanks for reminding me--I forgot to tell the OP to hammer the bolts home with his shoe....
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
I wonder if he is old enough to remember the shoe.
Not that old at all. LOLBut I've seen the video.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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Very funny comrade!Thanks for the info. Was just wondering if any of those methods were functionally superior to the others.Now, what's a thrust washer? I see a bunch of references to auto parts and universal joints, but nothing that makes me stand up and say 'ah'.'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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What is talking about is not a thrust washer. Just a plain hardware washer to help spread the force of the head/nut on the wood.A true thrust washer is a one that is designed to help control the thrust from shaft or a bearing. And they are tightly machined product.Often they are used with shims to help control the play in a shaft.Here are some..
William the Geezer, the sequel to Billy the Kid - Shoe
.
Is that one?
A true thrust washer is a one that is designed to help control the thrust from shaft or a bearing. And they are tightly machined product
I stand corrected. And thank you, Bill. As usual, you're right on.
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
Actually I don't use Gorilla¯ brand glue; I usually buy PL liquid P-U. Doesn't matter much; the point was to use a structurally-rated goop of some sort and polyurethane glue meets that standard.
I like thru-bolts and thrust washers better than screws for this sort of thing as the likelihood of stripping out the wood is nil with a bolt, while it's fairly high using screws now that ev'rybody and his maiden Aunt Millie has a 24-volt LiOn impact gun. Didn't matter so much in the old days when ya had to pre-drill and wax yer slot-heads, then drive 'em down by hand....
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
and wax yer slot-heads.
YOU ARE AMERICAN!!!
I like Robertson's. The T.V. screws........ Stick it in the socket and you can screw and watch T.V. at the same time without slipping out.
Cheers Buddy! ;-)
and wax yer slot-heads.
YOU ARE AMERICAN!!!
I'm just older 'n you, youngster. Robertsons didn't become the lingua franca of wood screws here in Canukistan until after I was older than your kids.
The fact the 'murricuns still use commons and Phillips¯ is functionally equivalent to their continued use of lbs ft and Fº....
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
OUCH!!!!
Man, that high-speed connection of yours is fast!
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
Yers ain't no slouch
you friggin' commie!
Hey yer the one who is still in the 70's.
How old are you??????? 17??????
You obviously ain't seen the Rez without his doo-rag. I got more hair on my upper lip than he has on his whole head....
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
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Nice. That was a good cuppa.
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
Better red than dead is the phrase in fashion, eh?'Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it' ~ Chinese proverb
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VinceCarbone would love that Berrette
Vince got my Canadian Forces model beret at Northfest. Looked better on him than it ever did on me. I wear 'unstructured' ones with no unit-badge plaque....
Dinosaur
How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....
Very improtant before you cut...do you have trusses in the attic?
You get out of life what you put into it......minus taxes.
Marv
Not likely with a description of rafters at 24" and joists at 14"
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Do you think glue of any kind is needed?
Edited 6/29/2009 11:38 am ET by Dam_inspector
Yesbut there are a half dozen variables here that could apply to this answer. Short and sweet is just do it.Like how long is this joist and what load does it carry.
If carrying a storage area as well as the ceiling and insulation, maybe it should be double sistered and headered instead.how good of lumber is it?is he using screws ( what kind) and or nails?Is there strapping in this ceiling?unless this is terribly unigue, just gitterdun
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No, I have 16 ceiling joist on this family room, none of the rafter is pair with it as I see in new home build. As the joists are 14" center, and the rafters are 24 in, they're barely meet... The rafters have their own joist near on the top....
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Edited 6/29/2009 5:30 pm ET by vincent843
>>The rafters have their own joist near on the top....<<
Those would be collar ties.
JimNever underestimate the value of a sharp pencil or good light.
Very improtant before you cut...do you have trusses in the attic?
I second this...
Pesky 'ol framing holding the house up! What were they thinking putting that there?
If it's conventional framing, you should head it off instead of sistering something next to it. Will the sister work? Probly for a while. I'd spend the time to head it, though.
I'm pretty sure you don't want to cut a truss.
That's my 2