has anyone used a 12 inch exposed ceder shingle? and if so did or would you charge have the rate per sq foot as a 6 inch exposure?
thanks
and peace..
has anyone used a 12 inch exposed ceder shingle? and if so did or would you charge have the rate per sq foot as a 6 inch exposure?
thanks
and peace..
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That better be a pretty long shingle to have that much exposure. I'm sure that exceeds the recommendations for a typical 16" shingle. Check the cedarbureau.org website for their specs, or other cedar shake/shingle websites.
As far as installation goes, you'd be putting up half as many courses, so obviously it will go faster... but not twice as fast.
thanks ... the shingles are 22 inches..and im not sure about face nailing
i will check the web sites
Is this roof or wall, and what grade/type of shingle?
I assumed wall - only an insane man would even think of this on a roof!
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The most exposure you can get on a sidewall with a 22" shingle is 10"
I charge on labour for the number of squares i lay, not th espace covered.
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What is the difference between the area you apply shingles to ("I lay"), and the area covered?
Do you charge for the ones you lay on the ground?
Is this like sheetrock, where the rocker has an incentive to waste materials, because he is getting paid for the number of full boards consumed, no matter how much goes in the dumpster?
Sorry, I'm sure you are an honest shingler, but I have a bad taste in my mouth from someone who wasn't.
;)I wuz getting piszed at you untill your last line there, Gene
but I know what you mean. I went on a job once where the shingleers weree geting paid piece work for a mansard, bitching about how much they were geting, and burning full bundles to keep warm and counting as tho laying them. I left at noon, turned in for my one square and apologized for not being able to handle the cold...in the context of this thread, here is what I meant - I measure the job and the area calls for say four squares. That is laid at 5" to the weather.So if the owner wants me to do 6" exposure, I will use about twenty percent less material. I would adjust to 3.2 plus a bit.There would still be the same labour for staging, for starts, for top cuits, for cuts around windows, so the price per sq needs to be a bit higher, but I would not still charge the same as for laying four squares because I would not be handling as many pieces or driving as many nails. Converse true if the job calls for 4" exposure...Now if you want to see how to get me to throw shingles on the ground, provide me with red lables or other culls. It costs me as much labor to pick up a bad shingle, decide it is worthless, throw it on the ground, and then pick it up again later to dispose of as it dopes to nail it on the wall or roof, so I still charge for it, but I will not perform substandard work just 'cause you provide substandard materials. I will cull to the good ones and use only them. So it is to your advantage to get me good materials in the first place. But I would have told you that before taking the job and I'm sure that you would have seen the light. i'm sure of that for two reasons.One is that I'm pretty good at selling my POV so you see the advantages to you.The other is that you are intelligent enough to see it.
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I did a repair to a 12'' exposure with the machined grooved cedar shingle. Had to match the exposure. This was double layed. A #4 (undercourse) went under first, covered by the fancy shingle. I'm sure you can see a detail on the cedar bureau site.
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Edited 12/20/2005 6:31 pm ET by calvin
man you guys are so on it...this kicks arse
i just went down to the job to give the bid and get materials this was for a friend..
seems my friends dad decided (while i was in baja) he wants to do the project with his son
and im all for that.. im neck deep in concrete counters..they told me there was no double layer and they arnt putting a breather down
just 15# felt ...thats the way they do it here in oregon..thanks so much
and peace
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