I’m looking to take out the ceiling in a 11′ x 11′ three season porch. I’d like to have a cathedral like ceiling affording room for a ceiling fan and expand the feel of the room. My question; can I take out all the ceiling joists and retain sufficient structural strength? (Gable roof with 2×6 trusses 16″on center) I would leave a ceilng joist where the porch attaches to the house and another over the far wall. I know these ceiling joists keep the roof load from bowing the walls but since it is such a small room I’m wondering if I can get away with it. If not would leaving two, 1/3 third from each wall be sufficient. There are no collar ties, which is another idea but I assume collar ties at the top of the ridge would not be all that effective. Any advise would be appreciated
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You should double check with an engineer, but in the past my engineer has allowed me to spec a ceiling joist every four feet.
Steve
You probably mis-spoke and do not have 2x6 trusses, but 2x6 rafters, right? You don't mess with trusses.
You can *probably* get away with this leaving two rafter ties/ceiling joists in thirds of the room. I would NOT take all of them out.
BTW, what area you are in - re snow loads - and wind live loads ios highly important to this question/answer.
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Your loading requirements and the pitch of the roof would make a whole lot of difference in the correct answer.
Another idea is to add a structural ridge beam instead of collar ties or ceiling joists.
There are many ways to accomplish your goals with a room this small but Boss is right...you haven't provided enough information to give a good answer.
You probably mis-spoke and do not have 2x6 trusses, but 2x6 rafters, right?
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This is an 11' x11' porch attached to the house on one side. Gable roof, rafters are 7-8 feet long and the height from the bottom of the ceiling joist in the middle of the room, to the to the top of the ridge is 32 inches. I live in Mass so snow load is an issue, however, the ridge is 13' high so, I could snow rake, when we get a good one. I know what you're thinking. . . finally if it matters the top plate of the walls consist of two full length 2x4's. This house was built in 1950's so these 2x4's are close to actual 2" x 4".
If I was to do a ridge beam, would 2- 2x6's nailed together, do the trick?
Thanks for the time and expertise
Miles
If I was to do a ridge beam, would 2- 2x6's nailed together, do the trick?
No. In similar snow load territory I've had to do (2) 2x12's for a twelve foot ridge with an 18' wide structure, so I'm guessing at minimum (2) 2x8's or 2x10's, but that's just a guess. (2) 2x12's would certainly cover it. might be able to get away with shallower if you use (3)x thick member. If you really want to know the bare minimum just hire an engineer to spec it for you. Shouldn't cost much.Or just over-kill it. The lumber is cheap enough.
If you don't want the ridge sticking that deep into the room, you can cut away the old ridge, widen the gap between them with a sawzall and slip the new double-width ridge in and re-fasten.
Here's a picture of prepping for a larger one we did that way...
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