I might as well buy me a roofing nailer since i’ll be doing my own asphalt shingles. I need some help in picking one. I’m a diy’r so I won’t be making a living with this gun but I don’t want a piece of junk either. I need to lay down about 16 squares and i’m too slow to hand nail. Can you guys give me a heads up. Thanks
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THe hitachi, for a couple hundred is standard fare.
I bought a Max 'super roofer' for a little more, and it's a really nice gun.
we have Max... Hitachi & Bostich....
seems the one that gets pulled out of the trailer is usually the Bostich RN46Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
when I finally broke down and bought one it was the Bostich. haven't found anything to complain about
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Either one is fine.
Bostich is sort of the standard..
Nothing wrong with it. Hitachi is better for the pros. one to avoid completely is the Porter Cable nail starter.. Please note that I said nail starter not nail gun way too often you'll pull out your hammer to set the nail down the rest of the way..
PS buy used or rebuilt.. they are simple and reliable as gravity..
"avoid the porter cable??" I really dont know where you get your information, my porter cable performs fine. One of the last tests I saw rated it amoung the better nailers.
17 1/2 years of contact with framers/roofers and my own experiance..
performs fine?
How often do you pull out your hammer to set the nails down properly? That's been the most common gripe I hear..
Some of the contractors tell me that if they crank the pressure in the compressor way up and keep the hose length short it's OK but requires frequent rebuilds because it's not designed for that much pressure..
Like I said Bostich is the most common and Hitachi seems to have a flawless reputation..
How much experience do YOU PERSONALLY have with a roofing nailer?, I suspect very little (and please dont tell me about your roof, one roof doesnt count)
If I am wrong, you have my apology
and yes, mine does perform fine. no, I dont have to finish many nails with a hammer
Why would putting 10,20, or more roofs down qualify me to know better than the 20,000 plus pro's I talked with on a daily basis?
If I bought one brand I'd be pretty vocal in defence of that brand too. Porter Cable makes decent routers,, Their guns aren't to the same standard.. Among pro's they are called nail starters.
I'm sorry if that offends you and you have to get all defencive.
Funny, I too used a PC for close to ten yrs and cases and cases of nails..no more issues than I have with a brand new Bostitch that I have now. It got given to a guy that needed a gun, or else I'd still have it.
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Man you're cruel today <G>
If I said it once, I said it a million zillion times, don't exaggerate.
(sleep deprived, dogs up all night, full moon is hell here)
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Edited 3/11/2009 3:09 pm ET by Sphere
Sphere, of the 20,000+ contractors I spoke to only a portion of them were roofers.. Really Sphere if you are going to insult someone you should read closely so you don't look foolish..
By the way that number is an estimate.. I met with an average of 6 contractors per day for 17 1/2 years.
By the way that number is an estimate.. I met with an average of 6 contractors per day for 17 1/2 years.
The problem with your statement is that you didn't talk to "6 NEW" contractors every day. Must be something wrong with the compressors in your state!
Compressors? I sold telehandlers.. what do compressors have to do with this? So yes I had to meet that many new contractors in order to sell the number of telehandlers that I did..
old telehandlers.. what do compressors have to do with this?
I am aware of what you sold. i found that if a nailor was leaving a nail proud, normally it was not the gun, but the compressor. To much water in the tanks, not enough air preasure, etc..
The standard solution of people who bought PC was to crank up the compressor pressure and shorten hose lengths..
The compressor worked fine on other brands.. and they could use normal hose lengths as well.
As I said in my original post.
cranking up compressors beyond what they are rated for is hard on them and hard on the guns.. (plus I suppose it's hard on hoses as well)
How do you Crank up a compressor higher than it is rated for? Both of mine will go to 120-125..thats all it can do, and its rated for that. You mean they have to disconnect the auto cut off switch?
Another BS.
Who are these pros? Are they still alive? Still in business?
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I won't tell you if you don't know how..
Believe me cranking up a compressor is not something that should be done..
All
This is one of the weirdest threads.
All the guy wanted to know is should I buy a roofing nailer for my one time use on a house he is building. If so, which brand.
Should have taken 20 posts.
This is like a soap opera.
One scene is hammering frenchy
Next is about losing weight
Next is about PC Bostich and Hitachi good or bad
But it's been fun to watch.
Rich
You never know when a thread is gonna' go South or for what reason !
theslateman
More like southwest, then northeast, then vertical.
By the way I like Frenchy. Even though he is a capitalist saleman preying on hapless contractors and delusional Democrat. LOL
Truly frenchy is fun.
I would dream of putting him on ignore. I don't have anybody on ignore.
Rich
me neither... never have... never will....
won't put anyone on ignore.... but sometimes i manage to ignore them
BTW.... the current Bostich RN46 is a big improvement over their older roofing guns....which is why we bought an Hitachi... but when the 46 came out .. the Hitachi became 2d choice
we also bought a MAX because it would drive a 1 3/4 Hot Dipped Galv ( from Maize Nails ) thru fibercement....
nice gun .. but the 46 is still leading for everyday roofing tasksMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike
the current Bostich RN46 is a big improvement over their older roofing guns
You can say that again.
I had about 3 of the older guns.
a couple of years ago at tool demo day Bostich was offering the new gun at $250 and $50 for your old one.
I traded one broken 1/4" crown stapler and an old RN45 for 2 new guns and they threw in a Prohose and a 1/4" polyurthane hose for free.
Still had one or 2 RN45s but nobody wanted to use them. They are considerably heavier and have no adjustablity. Now we have all 3 guys on a RN46
Lively thread, must be slow today.
Rich
I can tell business is slow because I make a simple statement and am attacked for it.. Ah well at least we've stopped the Bush is good bush is bad fight. <grin>
I feel special. LOL!!!
blown
Now you know the following
buy a bostich
only eat one plate of food
ignore frenchy
or sphere take your pick
telehandlers are great for getting shingles on the roof
most frammers won't help you with that
You will probably go back to nailing by hand. LOL
Rich
LOL!!!
most frammers won't help you with that
I know this one won't>G<
frammer
I know this one won't>G<
I just put you on my ignore list for a remark like that one.
I beg your forgiveness!>G<
I still won't!
Frammer
I can't hear you.
You are on ignore. LOL
Rich
Geez, now I think you're vaguely making fun of me.
Seriously, my opinion is that if you want your online time spent as judiciously as possible, you figure out who has little or nothing to say--and posts far in excess of their meagre ability to contribute--and you do what you can to avoid wasting your time.
An alternative view is that some of these characters provide comic relief. No harm in that.
Now, if I notice later that my post to you is 'unread' while you have read others following it, I'll know you have ME on ignore. No harm in that either, you probably won't miss much.
"you do what you can to avoid wasting your time."Hey, I thought the whole idea of being here was to waste time;)just ask your wife.
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Now, if I notice later that my post to you is 'unread' while you have read others following it, I'll know you have ME on ignore. No harm in that either, you probably won't miss much.
Will you put my shingles on the roof with your telehandler? That will make it all better. LOL
Seriously, my opinion is that if you want your online time spent as judiciously as possible,
BT can be a very wasteful or productive place to be.
Rich
>>Will you put my shingles on the roof with your telehandler?
I thought the idea was to take them off...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32PQQL-PZEg
david
That guy is good with a bucket.
But once you get the shingles lifted then the bucket doesn't have to rest on the roof.
I won't put you on ignore, I like your posts.
Rich
Now, if I notice later that my post to you is 'unread' while you have read others following it,
I think if you just pass over a post you've ignored it shows up as "read" whether you've actually read it or not.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
It gets marked as read when you click to the page as the prospero server gets the info you want to see it.I have had times I loose my connection just as a page starts to load on my monitor. By time I restore and find my way back, the site think I have read another twenty posts in string.
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PIFFIN:
I strongly believe my support of democratic principles is the main reason you and several others find my posts so objectionable.. If you read them as consistant as you claim you would note that several years ago I noted the demise of cheap BLACK WALNUT. Noting my price went from 17 cents to over a dollar and then finally not available at any price due to a contract with a buyer for the Chinese.
That still does not prevent me from taking advantage of deals as they become available.. I mentioned only paying 10 cents for fiddleback maple.. that was a one time deal because the buyer failed to pick up the wood and they were afraid it was completely ruined.. (It turned out beautiful as you can see in my guest bathroom)
I also got 5/4 ash for 15 cents and many other bargins.
that is a matter of relationship and timing.. however low priced wood is available nearly everyplace in the country..
Nearly every major city has pallet plants who buy wood cheaply.. the standard price paid for pallet wood is According to Hardwood Market Report is currently 15 cents.. Down due to an extremely soft market and a flood of wood available at sawmills..
Second with regard to my support of shellac.. I have found a safe, easy to use product that is extremely durable and not as expensive as other similar chemically made products..
What's so terrible about informing people about it?
Perhaps you wish that DIY's couldn't do what you do? That you feel threatened by those who step outside of the commerical box and do things for themselves?
If So I'll plead guilty.. However that is precisely one of the things this magazine was intended for.. Reading the cover I don't note anything which claims the magazine is only for the pro..
Untill that is posted on the magazine I'll continue to give DIY's hope for options and a chance to have something nice for themselves at a moderate cost.. If that makes my statements wild exagerations in your mind then so be it..
what I object to is BS. You do that re politics and construction both, but one has nothing to do with the other.And re pricing of black walnut, it was up until only about a year ago that you were still recommending to people that they should go to their local lumberyard because look at me I got BW for only seventeen cents and you can too if you shop[ around.....Which was pure BS and it was only after a bunch of us called you on your wild exaggerations that you finally admitted that you can't get it at that price anymoreSo pointing out your flights of fantasy has benefits. Eventually you realize people see thru you and you adjust your shtick a bit closer to reality.
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go back and reread.. long before your supposed question I commented about how the price of black walnut was going up due to Chinese buyers!
Did you want me to report the numbers in Hardwood Market Report for you? I've only done it periodically but the facts are as correct as I can be.. Buy a copy of it and verify..
Your schtick is you sit on your island and make a tidy profit and assume that's the only way things can be done.. I point out that you are wrong and it sticks in your craw..
Nothing sticks in my craw. You have no idea how funny you are. Or what my business is like.twenty thousand contractors under your belt, ya sure!
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Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints"
Giggling at his fantasies
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We do not keep the outward form of order, where there is deep disorder in the mind
Beautiful.
Also descibes my first wife :>)
That another tread though.
bobbys
Are you saying that we have group disorder?
Rich
frammer
Our MO is to run a 3/8 line (50') on to the roof and then run 3 1/4" lines off a splitter to run 3 Bostich guns.
Compressor is thomas renegade 2HP with air at about 90lb.
Most nail problems have to do with trying to nail too fast and not having the nailer square to the roof surface.
You are just going to have to get your hammer out every so often and set a nail.
If you don't you are going to have some that are proud or tilted. Then the shingle won't seal.
Rich
Your set up is simular to what I used to run. I was trying to point out to frenchy that a continual problem with nails not setting, normally can be traced back to the compressor.
I agree with you on the occasional proud nail causes. he loves to tell all of us how bad PC guns are, and it runs contrary to my experience.>G<
I know better than arguing with him, but he sucks me in occasionally!
You said: "than the 20,000 plus pro's I talked with on a daily basis? "
So what is someone supposed to think you meant? And do all them "Pros" use PC roofing nailers "on a daily basis" or what?
Frenchy, you wildy claim stuff all the time, and you get called on it, and you continue to make claims...how many roofers do you actually know? How many use the defective guns still? Do they keep using a gun that needs adjustment? If they have a bad gun and keep hammering the misfire, they ain't a PRO.
Do you not see the comical way you appear?
We all like to embellish our claims, but we also know when someone is slinging the bull..and 17.5 yrs of discussing a roofing nail gun among 20K pros is hogwash..
Remember , I had to set you straight that greed is BAD thing? You had no comeback, because you knew, you were toast..as you are now. Any nail gun of any stripe can misfire, and it can be fixed. I have had that roofer, still have a 15 ga finisher, and just about 6 mos ago, used a PC framer for a few days..why do you want to bad mouth a good company, do you hate America?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Are they still made in jackson tenn?
Your reading comprehension is still lacking.. The term contractors does not mean only roofing contractors.. The most common nail gun they use was a Bostich. The one with the best reviews by pros was the Hitachi..
Some building contractors started out doing roofing and moved to framing and other more profitable parts of construction.. But virtually every framing contractor would lift shingles up to the roof for roofing contractors (and charge them) which is where the roofing contractors started to get the idea of how useful telehandlers would be..
Your nonsense statement is all in ypour mind.. Greed is good.. it's what makes a person get out of bed everymorning and do work they would rather not.. It's what motivated man to crawl out of caves and do more than subsitance living..
It's why communism failed and why the republican party exists..
Talk about a nonsensical post, you're all over the map. Bostitch, Hitachi, and the claim you made was that the 20,ooo pros had issues with PC roofing guns, being "Nail starters"..
"Virtually every framer stocks the roof for roofers"? Maybe on your planet..I've done scores ( not 20,000) of roofs, and NEVER ONCE had a framer stock the roof, paid or not..mostly they were gone by then, or I WAS the framer..the delivery truck would sometimes boom up the bundles or we had a laddervater, or we carried them. How do come up with these fallicies?
And Greed is good huh? Remember the Actual DEFINITION of the word? Are you still claiming the dictionary is WRONG?
I hate to say it again Frenchy, but you are one Brady short of a bunch.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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"one Brady short of a bunch."Good one.Now lets get back to work and earn some money, honey
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Jeezus. If you guys stop engaging Frenchy he might stop ruining pretty much every thread he posts on. I've had him on 'ignore' for YEARS! You will miss nothing, you will help clean up the forums... what's not to like?
Great idea..but I need the laughs once in awhile.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Like Sphere I like him for entertainment =value, but somebody has to clean up after him. if nobody challenges his 'facts' and half baked amatuer advice, every DIY in America will be out looking for walnut boards at seventeen cents a foot, shellacing everything in sight, using monster lags to install blocking, and voting Democrat for the rest of their lives.Meanwhile, the forum would lose value even faster by dilution of truth.
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Dilution of truth, I like that.
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Frenchy's far from being the only member of that group represented here !!
Yeah, there have been some doozies.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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"By the way that number is an estimate.. I met with an average of 6 contractors per day for 17 1/2 years. "Oh sure, change your story now! Before ti was 20,000 on a daily basis. What can I believe? if it was 5 a day, for that period, it comes to less than six thousand total, not twnety thousand a day.And since PC wasn't even making the gun seventeen years ago, a good part of that testimony gets thrown out of court.....And most of them weren;t roofing contractors, so that leaves MAYBE at the outside, a thousand guys you talked to who have used a shingle nailer. PC has a smaller market share thanmost, so you have only talked to about 150 guys who have ever even used a PC roofing gun.At the most!So let's see, your testimony is devalued from 20,000 to 150 given that your flapping gums have devalued your words with inflation of too many of them. your words are only worth .75% of what you say by that math, we can believe one word of every thirteen thousand or so, if I did the math right.Sounds about par
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You said it! PC has a smaller markert share than most.. Could that reason be word of mouth?
could be party that or partly because they are relatively new to the pneumatic tools arena and it takes time to win market share.Fact is, I have heard some early criticisms of their framers, but never of the roofer.And in your last post to Sphere you indicated a context of talking more to framers than to roofers, so I think this is where you are getting your bias from. I'd be suprised if you only talked to one or two roofers who told you they had any problem at all with a PC nailer.The math doesn't lie. You claimed 20,000 references on this, but it is just not possible. We all know how much you exaggerate.Probably heard three complaints of PC framers and let your mind spread that to 1-2 roofers and then extrapolated that assumption to grow like a weed in your mind.
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I want his framers on my next shingle job, hell, they'll stock the roof for me! Probably a whole skid right in the middle of the roof too.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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Piffin
Apparently Sphere loves his PC, a lot. The simple fact is that of the contractors I spoke to about buying nailers most had Bostich (which I wound up buying) but said the nicest things about Hitachi. I have no prejudices about manufacturers. I own PC routers and they are good solid routers..
Since some of these guys owned as many as 30 or more roofing nailers I'm inclined to accept their opinion..
Buy whatever brand you want, you're a big boy. I'm able to condense 17 1/2 years of daily contact with contractors into a brief paragraph and that apparently has you up in arms..
I actually used my nephews PC helping him roof his garage and can confirm that his gun tended to leave some nails proud which required me to pull my hammer to set them home..
Not a big deal but I did it a lot more often with the PC than I did with my Bostich.. To those guys who lay 500 sq. a day <grin> it would be a serious complaint. I already told you how they dealt with that issue, just jack up the compressor and use shorter hoses..
Now hopefully you've got enough experiance to already know what happens then..
You have a reading comprehension problem,I said quite clearly I gave the PC gun to a guy. I now own a brand new Bostitch, because I needed it in a hurry, and it was what was there, and 20 bucks less than a Hitachi.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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I believe you Frenchy!!!!!
Maybe he will listen to you, he won't listen to me!>G<
talking to that many in one day would wear me out!And he does it daily!
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You discussed roofing nailers with 20,000 different pro's on a daily basis...really
Man - you guys are really giving Frenchy a shellacing...........
I appologize in advance.
Anybody ever buy one of those cordless roofing nailers? http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
H3ell, I WAS a cordless roofing nailer! Watcha wanna know about me?
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H3ell, I WAS a cordless roofing nailer!
That's what she said................http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
LOL, I knew I was going to get something back on that one right after I hit the post button!
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You got a corded one? All mine had a hose, except for Mr. Estwing and Mr. Vaughn.
You buy it from a guy in Minnesota?Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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http://www.amazon.com/Bostitch-CRN38K-20-4-Volt-Cordless-Roofing/dp/B00005A1JPhttp://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
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check's in the mail fri.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
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i used one of the bostich at a demonstration... thought it was a POS...
Mike Guertin uses a bostich in his classes at JLC... it's so slow... y bother... hammer & nails are better, faster, cheaper,easier, & lighterMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Grant,
FHB sent me one to review years ago----- it wouldn't drive the nails flush--and the repetitive hammering left a sharp raised edge on every nail head, it was VERY slow and it took a special nail---not standard gun nails, one of the 2 batteries supplied would not take a charge, the whole thing was poorly balanced and extremely heavy basically just a bad idea from the git go. needless to say---FHB wouldn't print the review--and never paid me for it either AND I sent the gun back. simultaneously, JLC printed a favorable review by someone else!
stephen
Makes you wonder about the integrity of review policies
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I would vote for the Bostich RN 46. I have 3 of them.
I would buy what you can get service for in your area.
It's mostly bostich in our area.
As a DIY you will never wear this gun out.
Rich
Thanks Guys.
ditto on the Bostich, Cargin. we have 3--and what I especially like about them is that they survive being dropped off of roofs much better than the Paslode I owned at one time-- or the Max----although the Max was a sweet gun and the first I owned with a depth of drive adjustment. since we are moving to go back to all hand nailed----- i probably won't ever where our 3 bostich guns out either, LOL. Hey-- how's the weight thing???
i am down 26# since the second week of January. Best wishes,
stephen
Hazlett why are you guys going back to hand nailing?
check the thread"is hand nailing still alive?" In the Construction Techniques folder. I lay my reasoning out pretty thoroughly over a number of posts--- for me, it's a business decision.
stephen
I might be hand nailing after all. If I upgrade to a better shingle I won't have the extra money in the budget for the gun. Always something.
Rent one or go to HF and buy their cheapest.
One of my guys showed up with a HF gun one day. By noon it went flying off the roof as hard as he could throw it.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
And I had one that worked well for awhile. I agree with those that post that bostich is the favored. I have used both the Hitachi and Bostich when I roofed. Preffered the Bostich.
Preffered the Bostich.
That's all my guys have. Had one PC that lasted forever. http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
Buddy had a PC that he swore by. I didn't like the feal! Each to there own, at least we don't call them nail starters!
I don't know if this deal is still available-- but last fall I seem to remember seeing something at both the BigBox stores----- It was a package deal for a rather large/clunky bostich pancake compressor--and something like 3 guns i think a roofing gun ,a framing gun--and a finish nailer-- their might have been a stapler or a pin nailer in the package as well. i can't remember the price-- but i DO remember it was un-believable- like $349 or there-abouts.
stephen
That is better than the one I remember. It was a framer, 16 guage finish and 18 guage . That reminded me that Canfield Houser(sp) at Lowes for 199. I think there was a roofer in that one.
Stephen
since we are moving to go back to all hand nailed----- Why???
Hey-- how's the weight thing???
I was down 16 lbs, but I am currently stalled at being down about 13 lbs.
Last time I lost weight I would lose weight and then plateau for a while and then lose again.
I am eating protien for breakfast, salad for noon and whatever the family is eating at night.
I stry to avoid snacking in the evening, but I have been failing at that. I try to keep that under 100 cal.
I have been walking the stairs (up the back stairs and down the front stairs) at night while lifting dumb bells for about 20-25 minutes.
Rich
"I have been walking the stairs (up the back stairs and down the front stairs) at night while lifting dumb bells for about 20-25 minutes."I bet that annoys the hell out of the rest of the family.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
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Nah.
My daughter needs to see Dad being commited to excerise, so that she will stay commited. But she is gone to play practice alot of the time. That just leave DW and she is in the bedroom reading.
I crank up a CD and walk to music.
Our old dog at first wanted to follow me. He doesn't do stairs very well anymore. He is 14 YO. I have to lock him in the bedroom to keep him out of the way. It's funny because he used to be quite the speed demon. Now he just hobbles around.
I used to walk outside but this winter got so icy, so often, that I moved it indoors. And I do my walking at night so it is hard to see those little icy patches. I break when I fall anymore.
Rich
I was just busting your chops. I just got a mental picture of DW doing that and she couldn't sneak up on a corpse.http://www.quittintime.com/ View Image
seeyou
I bought some 5lb dumb bells. They don't seem like much weight. But when you keep them moving for 20 minutes, man I get exhausted. When i want to slow down and rest then i just walk the stairs. LOL
I was just busting your chops.
That's OK.
Rich
Cargin,-- 3 things have worked for me 1)I have a 5 month old Lab puppy.
i walk her-at this point at least 3-5 miles a day 7 days a week in all weather- single didgit temps, snow, rain-whatever.2) 5-10 fresh,whole fruits and vegatables a day---- as close to 10 as i can stuff down--apples, oranges,bananas, beans ,broccoli, yams--- tons of produce3) I can eat ANYTHING I want( Fat Roman here taught me a year ago that portion controll is key--and he is right)- anything i want-- just not as much as i want. I eat 3 plates of food aday---period. It all has to fit on the plateNORMALLY--- no buffet tray loading,LOL--- no mile high stacks--just a normal plate full( no snacks,ever) but when you are fitting 5-10 fruits and veggies on those plates---- it doesn't leave a lot of room for that extra fried chicken piece or the extra pork chop or the extra meatloaf or whatever--- but I can and do eat anything i want. my intrest in beer etc.---has just gradually withered away over the last 3-4 years------and my interest in desserts( always my weak spot) has disappeared since January.there are TWO pies in my kitchen right now that i haven't touched--as i told my wife- i would rather lose weight than eat pie. i have a weight lifting bench in the basement--- every week I take a minute and pick up the barbell or plate closest in weight to what i have lost--just to feel what it's like--to remind me what I am not carrying around now every step of every day----AND I pick up the TOTAL weight I am gonna lose Seriously?---it's like getting younger!
stephen
Stephen
Portion control. Ahh, the big hurdle. I am much better than in the past.
You are right about fruits and vegatables. You can eat as many vegatables as you want.
there are TWO pies in my kitchen right now
Your wife makes pies!!! That's a reare thing anymore.
And then she does that when you are trying to lose weight. How cruel. LOL
my intrest in beer etc.---has just gradually withered away over the last 3-4 years
i lost my interest 20 years ago
Rich
I eat 3 plates of food aday---period. It all has to fit on the plateNORMALLY
I had to comment on that.
Way back, as in my early twenties, I reached that same conclusion. I watched two of my sister, Mom and Dad get bigger and bigger every time I saw them at family get togethers. I couldn't figure it out for a while, then took note of how much they ate and listened to the coments.
"That's so good, I'll just have some more."
"Oh, there's just a little left, I'll eat it. It is to small to keep for leftovers."
Seems there was always an excuse for them to eat more as they set around the table talking after a meal.
It was like,.... "Warning, Warning, Will Robinson !" That could be me in a few years!
I was 150 lbs. then and I'm at 160Lbs today at 62 years old.
I developed the habit of eating only one regular plate of food at any meal. The next step after that is to -----Leave the Table!
After dinner conversations with me will always be someplace other than at the table. It is such a habit to get up after that one plate of food that I have to control the impulse when we go out to eat.
Not saying it will work for everyone, but it sure cuts down on the temptation to eat more than I need to.
Dave Richeson,
seriously-- the importance of what you relate CAN't be overstated!I think many of us learn bad habits along the way---and don't realize they are bad habits because they are all we know ! i learned mine, i think-from my dad--who learned his in the army. He grew up in the lean times of the depression--so the army in WWII and Korea was the first time he had access to unlimmited food-mashed potatoes with gravy, spam, bread--piled on top of icecream--pile it ON before it's gone! man my dad could stack a plate. my mom was actually trained as a nutritionist, circa 1945--so it was all white flour, margerine, processed fruits and vegatables--all state of the art stuff in 1945- but what we now recognize as a nightmare nutritionally.
she made a dessert EVREY day--and every day she would ask my dad" do you want vanilla icecream or strawberry with your pie?"- and my dad would answe "yes"--and get both! i was actually quite shocked in my 20's to discover that not everybody piled up food like this! soi-- you put on a pound---or 2 pounds---or 3 pounds a year---- and not even notice it----it is so gradual-- but 30 years later you are a real mess, LOL weighed in this morning- -----( i am a compulsive list maker, record keeper)- I haven't consistently been UNDER this weight since 1999.stephen
weighed in this morning- -----( i am a compulsive list maker, record keeper)- I haven't consistently been UNDER this weight since 1999.
I'm like you; I make lists and keep a daily log. I have log books going back to the 1980s. Although my log is mainly devoted to my business, a couple of years ago I started recording my weight in it every day. I weigh myself every morning. My wife does too and she tells me her weight, which I also record. This record-keeping seems to help; we've both lost weight. Today, I know that I'm 2 lbs. less than I was on this date last year and I'm down 14 lbs. from my high point 2 years ago. She has lost 30 lbs. in 18 months.
excellent!
>>DW and she is in the bedroom reading
Hey, follow her in there and see if you can get some more exercise!
Seriously, sounds like we oughta have a weight loss thread. I've been working at it since Jan. 1, down about 16# and actually on a pretty steady path downward. Learning how to put less on my plate. Learning how to skip most of the carbs. Put our elliptical back in service after several years in storage. Looking forward to the cycling season. My problem has been a veeerrryyyyy gradual one, gain 3-4# per year for ten years and suddenly the doctor offers you blood pressure and cholesterol meds. If I can get down about 35# I'm gonna head to campus and start a fight with some schoolboys.
david
Hey, follow her in there and see if you can get some more exercise!
Come to sweating, stinky daddy and give me a kiss honey. Yeah right.
Eccl. 3:5 There is a time to scatter stones. And there's a time to gather them. There is a time to hug. And there's a time not to hug.
The wisdom of Solomon. It's all about timing. And having a good DW.
Rich
Dad gum I just gave away a Bostich yesterday to a friend of mine. It needed a little work and he said he could fix it. I've got three others so i didnt need it anymore. I could have shipped it to you.
It is a good nailer too like everyone says. The Max is the one people are buying down here now but they are pricey.
Due to the recent state of the economy, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off
Thanks BB. I appriciate the thought.
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I have 7 hitachis, one senco.
I love the Hitachie but to be fair never tried a Bostich but if some of these guys say its good i believe them.
You live closer to Hitachiland. If still in joisy you'd be closer to Bostichborough
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