I went into the hardware store today with my mind set to buy a DeWalt double compound, 12″ mitre saw. I started talking to the retired old timer that works in the hardware dept. about what I wanted and I asked his opinion. He feels that the Makita Sliding Mitre Saw 10″ is a better buy.
So I walked out of the hardware store confused and empty handed.
Would somebody please help me make up my mind.
Thanks
Dave
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I own both those saws. Dollar for dollar the Makita wins.(it is 15 years old the dewalt 2). The big dewalt is nice for cutting baseboard up to 6 inches standing up . That is the only way it out performs Makita, maybe cutting hardwood treads and shelving.
Have a good day
Cliffy
Just think about how tall you need to cut your pieces because not all saws are the same. MY DW is good for 6" + but realize too that on a sliding compound miter saw you can also cut miters on the flat..its just more of a hassle to keep resetting the saw that way.
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Right now I'm using a crappy little Delta 10". It's frustrating as hell to use because it is so limited in what it can do. The positive is that it is small and fits easily in my Chev Extended cab. Also, Who's going to steal a Delta?
This is why i was considering the DW 12" Mitre non-sliding. It's a bit more compact. The sliders take up alot of space.
I am looking for more bang for my buck and the Makita, so for, is leading the race. Are there any cheaper models that can compete with the Makita that you know of?
Dave
Be careful though with what this mogul posing as a mountain man tells ya.
He goes by the name of IMERC but he really owns the Bosch empire <W>.
Don't tell any one I told ya!
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WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
My lips are sealed! LOL
Dave
http://www.toolsofthetrade.net/industry-news.asp?sectionID=0&articleID=501379&artnum=1
These are retail prices in here and the saws are bigger than what you want but you might find some info in this site in general using the SEARCH function.
PS..don't let IMERC see this article!
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I heard that.....Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Ever since I bought my 10 " Makita, my 12" hasn't left the shop. I concur that it is a better value and you won't be sorry.
Take a look at the company and what will they do for ya after the sale and are they willing to go the extra and give ya the benifit of the doubt...
Evaluate the product and it's quality, performance, value and longevity...
I think you'll find the DW, Hitachi, Ryobie are in a toss up for the bottom slot. PC is just above them and Bosch and Milwaukee are at the top with Makita someplace in the middle...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Edited 7/18/2007 12:07 am by IMERC
Wow. Marty, I need you to come to the coast here so we can wrestle. (On second thought ....).
I just got a 12" Bosch chopper.
I would not do it agin'.
It's clumsy and I'm used to flopping both ways on my 10" Hitachi - I'm not used to moving the piece in order to cut the trim properly. It might have been better if I could have gotten the compound slider but the weight and the price was too much.
I like the height ability, but it's not a great saw.Quality repairs for your home.
AaronR ConstructionVancouver, Canada
we wrestling fer coffee or lemonaide...
you didn't get the four I have...
nor the Milwaukee....
The company behind the product is important...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
BTW...
you have dollars... vote with them...
keep some of them in the US...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming
WOW!!! What a Ride!
Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
IIRC The only miter saws now made in the USA are made by Makita...to buy American made you have to choose Makita...labor dollars stay here but profits go to Japan.The "American" brands (Dewalt, Delta, Porter Cable--all owned by B&D) are made in Taiwan or China...so labor dollars go but profit stays. Ridgid and Milwaukee are Chinese owned by TTI (Ryobi's parent Co.) some of their tools are still made here (not miter saws though), and profits go to China.Bosch is neither made here, nor do the profits stay here. Based on dollars added to the local economy, Bosch is the worst choice.Since quality is imporant too, I have plenty of Bosch tools (TS, Routers, Bulldog, etc.).The miter saws I like best are Hitachi...nothing smoother, quieter or more accurate than Hitachi.
I am not sure about Ridgit.TTI does not list them as a one of their brands.http://www.ttigroup.com/general/home.phpWhen that was first annouced with Emerson it was as a "partnership", but it was never clear if Emerson was just selling the name, had some kind of working partnership with TTI or ???TTI does some 3rd party developement and manufacturing. When the deal was annouced with Emerson so of the articles mentioned that Boosch as one of their clients. But no clue to what extent.BTW, I notice they bought Stiletto..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
I could easily have misunderstood that "deal" between TTI and Emerson/Ridgid.In related news, I did an informal survey of tool origins at the local UBC tool shop (while I waited on for the kitchen design lady).Dewalt tools appear to be mostly made in Mexico, though their little SCMS is made in Italy.Bosch tools were made in Taiwan, China, Switzerland, Germany, Malaysia, etc....their Circular saw was actually made in the USA. Skil and Vermont "American" are Bosch owned BTW.Milwaukee was still mostly made in USA, some China, Czech Republic, etc.Makita mostly Japan, some China, 10" SCMS "assembled" in USA.
I still miss my old 12 inch Makita. It could miter or bevel close to sixty degrees and do a compound cut close to 50 degrees and cut all the way thru a 6x6 in one pass. The only bad thing was that it was as loud as a 747 on take off.
If they still made them I would gladly buy another one... but they don’t. So when mine bit the dust I took the easy way out and bought the new 10" Hitachi from Lowes. It’s OK, and better than the old Hitachi. Buy I still miss my old saw.
I have used the Rigid 12 sliding, and it did not feel very solid. It looked and felt a little crude. I used the makita 12, and it was an older saw and it was okay. The dewalts look pretty good from what i have seen in ad pictures. I think I saw a sliding one with which you can cut your moulding standing up and not flat. I bought the hitachi 12 sliding and it is pretty good. But only down side is you have to cut crown flat. And it is very heavy. The dewalt is a great choice, I think.
I own the Dewalt and it's a good tool.However, If I had it to do over again I would spend the extra money on the Hitachi. I used my neighbors several times and simply put, it's a much better tool.Smoother, more precise and easier to adjust. Think long term and all of the things you might use it for. All of the above mentioned tools are fine for 2X4's , building decks, etc. But I borrow the Hittachi for trim work, furniture and,flooring.Just my 2 cents
HitachiIf you didn't have time to do it right the first time, how come you've got time to do it over again?
KarpI don't follow???
Sorry
Just a vote for the Hitachi. The 10" SCM is the best all-around saw, accurate, reasonably portable and rugged. The new 12" looks great, but wieghs in at a hefty 60lbs. and may be more saw then the average guy needs. (but just give me an excuse and I'll buy one)
I've used all the saws mentioned, (except the 12" Hitachi) and I've found the Hitachi the best. IMHO.If you didn't have time to do it right the first time, how come you've got time to do it over again?
In some ways it's apples and oranges. You can't go wrong with a Makita. I can't think of one Makita tool I have ever owned that I was dissatisfied with. I own The DW, it's a fine tool but as Andy said, they cut a bit differently. The DW gives you height for crownwork and it's a pain to keep changing settings. The slider for the most part stays in the shop as I can do 90% of my work with the DW 705 which is the style I prefer.
If I had to make a choice for a slider, it might be the Makita. but I got the new DW slider for half price because I knew some people, and I just couldn't pass on that.
This might be a mistake but Amazon has this Hitachi
Hitachi C12LCH 15 Amp 12-Inch Compound Miter saw with Laser and Miter Bevel Digital Display
http://www.amazon.com/Hitachi-C12LCH-12-Inch-Compound-Digital/dp/B0002X7VLQ
for $200 less than the Dewalt
I have the 10" Hitachi and I really like it. It is solid and cuts smoothly. I haven't used the Makita though. Some people need 12" saws but they're heavier, the blades cost more, and blade wobble is more of an issue.
Billy
Blade wobble was something I hadn't considered. Thank you for that input.
Dave
I originally bought the dw, but returned it for the Makita because I had used it at work and liked it better. When it came to buy a second miter saw because of more work and more guys five years later, I bought another makita.
Peace,
Casey
i personally don't care for the dewalt, it seemed a little bulky for fine tuned finish work.
between the old school hitachi (the design has been virtually unchanged in seven years) and the bosch you can't go wrong. two awesome saws, though the hitachi's are screamers.
Every day is a gift, that's why it's called the present.
Wait a bit longer if you can and buy the Festool KAPEX.It leaves all the other saws for dead.It will apparently also do a 6" cut by ingeniously using the back part of the blade even though it's a 10" saw.Hard to explain without seeing it work.To see some excellent videos on this saw go to http://www.idealtools.com.au
Cheers
Thomas.
i've heard great reviews about the kapex. the greatest part of festools are that they are unparralleled when it comes to dust removal.
Every day is a gift, that's why it's called the present.
I am on my second Dewalt 12" slider in about 4 months. And let me tell you, these newer Dewalt saws are pure JUNK. The cast aluminum housing literally crumbles. First saw had the aluminum crack on the bell housing where the blade bevels. No drops or accidents, just crumbled like an eff'n cookie. Took it back to Blowe's for an exchange. They gave me a new one, and this newest one is doing the same thing just in different places. It IS literally falling apart. Bosch will be my next saw, and not from a big box store.
I saw the Bosch. I've not used it but it seems pretty cheap. The handle feels like it'll snap off in my hand. don't get me wrong. i like Bosch. I have the table saw with the cool looking fold and roll stand. I love that one. Seems like a toss up between Makita and Hitachi.
Dave
I worked on a crew that had two 10" Hitachi SCMSs, so I got pretty familiar with them. My personal saw is a 10" Makita SCMS, which I got for a deal. My personal opinion: you can't go wrong with either saw. Both have some pros and cons in regards to the other, but if I got a deal on either of those saws, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. See what you can find the best price on, and buy that.
After listening to everyones comments I think I'm going to do just that.
Thanks
Dave
I have a 12 inch compound Dewalt about six years old-used to like it. I just bought a ten inch sliding Hitachi for 289--free shipping off of Amazon, just a few months ago. I mounted it on a Ridged rolling stand.
I love it, everybody that uses it loves it. A twenty year trim man that works with me said that if that was his saw, it would ride on the front seat of his truck with him, with his arm around it.
It is that sweet.
Lowes has the same saw with laser. Right after I ordered mine, I went to Lowes to see how I like it. I almost cried I hated it so bad--mine was already on the way though. It turned out there was a world of difference between playing with the display model, with its limited movement and it flopping over on its side and one firmly mounted on a sturdy stand.
Got to go outside now and admire the saw for a bit now. Just seeing it brings joy to my heart.
If your're talking about the Hitachi C10FSB, it's a miter saw that I had considered myself, but right now it's $449 with free shipping. So, I'd say you got quite a deal.
I just bought a ten inch sliding Hitachi for 289--free shipping off of Amazon, just a few months ago. I mounted it on a Ridged rolling stand.I love it, everybody that uses it loves it.
That's because, as you say, it's an awesome machine.
My first SCMS was a Bosch 3915 I got cheap from Heavydutytools.net - $283 shipped. Nice and solid, reasonably big base, etc. When I killed it (don't ask), I wanted a replacement that had dual-bevel capacity, etc.
The Hitachi (C10FSB) was my choice. It's belt-driven, so it's much quieter and smoother than my old Bosch. The only thing I don't like about it is that the base basically has to be screwed down, and could use to be a bit wider. Beyond that, it's a dream.
That said, I'm sure that the Bosch 4410 would do just as well. Hard to go wrong either way in my estimation.
Jason
I think I heard about the Amazon deal on here--when I went to Amazon, I really would not have known how to access the extra coupons except a poster on here told how to do it.Nobody is as good as they seem, nobody is as bad as they seem either.