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Concrete in stud bays

kbd | Posted in Construction Techniques on April 11, 2007 10:06am

I have opened two of my walls to convert double windows to french doors. Discovered all my stud bays havd been filled to a floor height of two feet with concrete. The house is framed with the studs running to the top sill plate which is on the concrete foundation. In the basement there is 2X8 blocking  on the sill. When this is removed there is concrete. The concrete was poured after the shingle nails were placed. The house is 40 -50 years old.  Is this some kind of fire stop or is it some kind of bullet proofing? The concrete is much harder to break up than usual foundation concrete. It gives the Hitachi demolition hammer a work out.

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  1. woodguy99 | Apr 12, 2007 12:01am | #1

    I've never seen it done with concrete but I have seen it in similar aged houses with that cavity filled in with brick.  It might be firestopping but I think it's an attempt at insulation.

     

     

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      PaulBinCT | Apr 12, 2007 12:23am | #2

      I've seen it on a few older homes in my area, but never to the depth of 2 ft. Try snaking something through there ;)PaulB

       

      1. kbd | Apr 12, 2007 09:09pm | #3

        You can't snake through it. It is solid and very tough concrete. It gives the demolition hammer and me a workout. Above it is regular fiberglass insulation, so unlikely to be for insulation.

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          PaulBinCT | Apr 12, 2007 10:51pm | #4

          Tell me about it, that's why I said what I did. And you can snake through it, but boy does it suck.PaulB

           

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            CapnMac | Apr 12, 2007 11:10pm | #5

            And you can snake through it, but boy does it suck.

            I'm guessing (and to let kdd "off the hook") that you mean with the laborious abuse of electrical tools and the complete disregard  for any sort of expected lifespan for flex bits, right? <G>Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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            PaulBinCT | Apr 13, 2007 01:49am | #9

            Indeed...with lifespan measured in inches bored (the bits, that is)

            But it was a billable expense.PaulB

             

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            CapnMac | Apr 13, 2007 02:38am | #10

            But it was a billable expense

            LoL!  Frightening to contemplate the sins carried out under that aegis . . . Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)

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    dieselpig | Apr 12, 2007 11:52pm | #6

    Yep, sounds like old school firestopping and it's always a PIA to deal with.  Can't for the life of me imagine why it would extend 2' though.  I'm sure someone older and wiser than myself will be along to explain it though.

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    1. Piffin | Apr 13, 2007 12:11am | #7

      I've seen it done with brick and plaster up that high.I wonder sometimes if maybe vermin proofing was part of the deal. Kind of a "let's be unfreindly to rats" game 

       

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        dieselpig | Apr 13, 2007 12:34am | #8

        Good point about the rats.... never thought of that.View Image

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