Ole bud is adding a bathroom to an existing house. Pours a shower pad of concrete over the original slab. Nothing in between. He paints some vinyl type paint stuff that blocks moisture on top of the shower pan then plans on tiling over that. Is this correct? I was thinking somewhere he needs some type of rubber barrier, like under the pan which is too late now. I wouldn’t think the thinset would adhere to some type of painted barrier. Any ideas? What is the correct way to approach this and what type of thinset is the correct type.
For some reason this method is not quite right, maybe it is……
Thanks!
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That sounds all wrong, but I'm not an expert. The John Bridge web site has the experts and a super forum. http://www.johnbridge.com/vbulletin/index.php
There is a wealth of info on the "right" way to do a shower.
Jim
That method is used for commercial applications all the time. Sloped mortar subfloor with liquid membrane troweled on. I'm not sure how they treat the connection of the liquid membrane to the drain flange.
Someone familiar with this method may come along or I'll put a call out for Plumbill, as this is the method they are using on the highrise project he is working on now.
Thanks guys! Appreciate the help.
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http://www.miracote.com/index.php?href=productdetail&id=6
Cool looking stuff. Have you ever used the product?
I did a retail search and got an East coast ##
Do they retail their products??
I've used REDGARD for wall membranes and it's worked great.
I used it here: http://forums.taunton.com/tp-breaktime/messages?msg=91581.1
It's available thru White Cap and others. Call the company, they'll give you a close retailer.
how do U tie a drain in?
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I got's no idear.
The company says it can be used in that application. I have found that the company is quite responsive in providing comprehensive written instructions and/or testing results from an independent construction material testing lab.
Their phone number is on that website.
Bump.
How them guys tieing into the drain assy. using the liquid membrane.
What type of drain assy.?
Jarheads buddy missed a step.
The sealant goes onto the slab & then the grout, thinset, concrete, drypack or whatever is being used to create the slope is poured over the sealant.
On our current job we are using a pvc sleeve that is cast in the concrete the drain glues into the top & the P trap glues in from underneath.
The drains are a 2 part assembly. We glue in the bottom have & the tile guys seal the concrete & over the lower flange. The drain top then bolts to the lower part & the base is poured in.
Not sure what they are going to use on this job yet, but on the 42 story I finished last year Redguard¯ was the sealant of choice.
"Why do you hurt me when I do bad things to you?" My youngest son to his older brother
so sounds like the typical 2 part clamping drain ...
'cept the clamp ... just clamps the redguard?
do I have that right?
set the bottom ... paint the stuff over it ...
then set the top?
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
In a nut shell ----- yup.
"Why do you hurt me when I do bad things to you?" My youngest son to his older brother
do U know what kinda drains?
proprietary to the paint on/ applied membrane?
can't wrap my head around how that'd all seal.
gotta be spec's on the net somewhere ...
Thanks,
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
The main ones we use are proset¯ which is an integrated fire rated sleeve & drain.
But we have put in cast iron Zurn drains which were sealed the same way.
On my jobs they have to pass a 24hr flood test.
That 42 story hotel/condo was all RedGuard I noticed they put it on fairly thick.
"Why do you hurt me when I do bad things to you?" My youngest son to his older brother
Thanks ..
I'll look that all up.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Some of the differences and oddities that strike me are.....
Membrane is applied level....no preslope.
No weep holes at membrane elevation to drain sloped mortar bed.
Slab on grade would'nt bother me a bit....any 2nd story application or wood subfloor, I would have to do some more research to set my mind at ease.
Weep holes are in the top half of the clamping ring.
I don't have any pics of the ones set at Lincoln Square. I'll take some when they start the process on my current project, but that probably won't start until Febuary.
"Why do you hurt me when I do bad things to you?" My youngest son to his older brother
Thanks for coming on board.
I hate this stuff, lol. I have to "see" it to understand it or see a cross section of everything you described. I haven't even seen what he has done but asked a question and it didn't click to me. I ask him if he put anything in between the slab and pan and he said no. Said he painted something that was suggested to him as a barrier on the pan to prevent moisture from going through.
Can he still make it work? I think he plans on just throwing on some tile over the painted moisture barrier which is on the pan.
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Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
The method he used is popular for walls on the jobs I'm on.
Backer board, then sealant, then thinset.
The thinset will adhere to most water proofing barriers.
He probably won't have a problem, but it wasn't done in the standards that I have seen.
"Why do you hurt me when I do bad things to you?" My youngest son to his older brother
Thanks pete, that stuff looks good too.
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Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
I have only done a couple, but I've gaged the floor, installed drain made for tile floors, install vinyl pan, then mud over vinyl pan for tile base.
There are a couple good articles in FHB you can search (type in shower pan in the search)
A couple by Tom Meehan and one by Michael Byme.
I dont know what code you are under in alabama but the IRC requires a vinyl or equiv. pan over a sloped floor (gaged floor). I am not reading the code, just going by memory, but that is, i believe the jist of it
I'll check her out, thanks. FHB that is...... :-)
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Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
Fine HomeBuilding
You are in it. Get out of breaktime and go to the main website and do the search.
Good luck
I can't.....
Twighlight zone! Type sh!t.....
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Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
There are several manufacturers that are now producing a liquid paint on or trowel on membrane specifically for shower pan and commercial fountain/ pool use. One such is Laticrete, they make 2 different products that adhere to most anything. The one is rather costly at a few hundred dollars for 5 gallons, but it shall adhere to PVC and has both code approval and a waranty specifically for this application. Another such company is Mapei. Both are Top notch. Lati is sold by Loews, if you do not happen to have a well stocked tile supplier in your area....
There are several manufacturers that are now producing a liquid paint on or trowel on membrane specifically for shower pan
I am sure there are but when ole' bud described what he did, it just didn't sound like it was "sound" if you know what I mean. There may be good products out there but I wasn't familiar with any of them and their reputations. I am having a problem with the concrete pan thing and painting something on it to repel water then applying tile on top of that.
I would want more if it were my house. I think......
I am used to seeing pre made shower pans like they sell at box stores and not used to seeing someone pour their own out of concrete. Concrete is porous, so I am thinking like water seepage down the road.
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
??? you cant what?
Cant get to FHB home. Just look at the top of your screen under
FineHomebuilding.com and hit the home button. If that is not what you are talking about disregard.
??? you cant what?
Cant get to FHB home. Just look at the top of your screen under
LOL, I know, thanks. I was referring to the fact I am in break time and can't ever get away from them!
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Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
For residential, the membrane needs to be sloped.
If the membrane will be on top of a secondary concrete pour, then that needs to be sloped.
To seal the sloped concrete, use Hydroment's Ultra Set or something similar. Ultra Set on the presloped floor and up the walls a bit. You can tile right over the Ultra Set.
Thanks and Merry Christmas.
I liked your tutorial on a shower you did here. Very informative!
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
Thanks.
I used to fly over you guys in one of these:View Image
Happy Holidays and semper fi,
Mongo
I used to fly over you guys in one of these:
LOL, in what?
I was airwing. I flew over "them" too....... KC-130 tankers!
Semper Fi back ta ya!
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
Tank killer I envy you!!!!!!!!!!!
I originaly joined the Army to fly the AH-64 ----- friggin lazy right eye kept me out of warrant officer school.
"Why do you hurt me when I do bad things to you?" My youngest son to his older brother
I didn't get a pic on my computer at work. Was it an A-10?
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Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
you got an email....
too many pics to post...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Yup, one of them overly armed ugly wharthogs
"Why do you hurt me when I do bad things to you?" My youngest son to his older brother
Yup, an A-10.
You're a tanker dude? In that case I flew under you. Waaaaaay under!
Best, Mongo
Edited 12/26/2007 1:02 am ET by Mongo
did it look like this???
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Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
Those are sissy planes!
We liked to watch pilots work for their fuel trying to plug into a hose jumping all around while we are wide open and the jet near stall speed.....Probably not that bad but sure looked like it. I hated to refuel CH-53's, those damn things are scary.......
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
that's the only refuel I have..
got assortment of ah/ch/c1/and trashed migs...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I like refuelers. I just like making a good dig at the Air Force when ever I get the chance! LOL
Had an Uncle get killed on one during the Vietnam era on a refueler. My dad was never comfortable with me flying on them and never put two and two together at the time. I had two thousand hours on her.
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
I'll walk thank you...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I heard that! LOL
At least you can somewhat control your own destiny. I hate not having some type of control.
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
it's all about gravity....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
I e-mailed ya back......
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
hope yur up late...
shrunk, resized and compressed part of the file...
it's still 4.8GB....
included a few where gravity ruled...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
let me know if ya have trouble unzipping some of them and I'll resend in the clear...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
10-4....
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
Didn't look like that unless the tanker's flaps and slats are out and the tanker pilot is at his slowest possible speed...while I have my throttles firewalled.No joke.In an A-10, at it was always easier to refuel behind a KC-10 instead of a -135 because the -10 could get dirtier and slower.Heck, at 20-25000' I'd sometimes I'd drive up behind the tanker, hit their "bow wave", and my forward momentum would get stopped dead. I'd have to drop down low, go forward, and come up to the boom from underneath.That always made the boomer...let's say...just a little nervous?Approaching the tanker with very little closure, quite often the throttles would be close to firewalled. To control speed, we'd fan the speedbrakes just a tad. Once we got inside the wave it was okay. But if you were approaching the tanker and pulled the throttle back just a bit too early, the fans on the A-10 would wind down, you'd lose a bit of momentum, and you'd drop back out of the envelope.New guys in an A-10 would drive the boomer nuts. Back and forth like a yo-yo.Refueling at lower altitudes was easier, we had a little more air to run through our bypass engines.Mongo
You're a tanker dude? In that case I flew under you. Waaaaaay under!
LOL, way under? Not if you wanted any fuel!
I have always like the wharthog. I used to watch them from the barracks at Futema Okinawa do touch and goes.
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
I only came through Japan twice. Once while flying from the US to Korea. Stopped in at Okinawa AB for an overnight. No autopilot in the A-10, so ocean crossings were always a treat!Second time was about 4 years later, I was stationed in (Suwon) Korea, a buddy and I grabbed a couple of jets for the weekend. Came to...I think it was Okijima (?) for a bunch of touch and go's and some gas, had lunch with a bunch of Marines and spent a few hours in the ramp checking out their F-18s, them checking our our A-10s. We then went down to Okinawa and landed, and spent the night. Flew back to Suwon the next day.Mongo
Talk about a hijack!
at gun point no less....
and his own thread to boot...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
and his own thread to boot...
LOL, hey, some things have priority!
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
AH-64. Now that's a machine.
Mongo
So when firing that 30mm cannon how much would it slow the plane down?
"Why do you hurt me when I do bad things to you?" My youngest son to his older brother
That's one of those things that keeps going around. Nope, shooting the A-10's GAU-8 gun does not slow the aircraft down. Even when squeezing off all 1100 rounds in one burst.But it does make for a nice fireworks display when you hit heavy armor.Mongo
Did your friend own a house in Grosse Pointe Mi? I repaired the exact same thing last year.
This guy just used the floor drain and poured cement on top of the floor.
This HO (not the guy who did this) was a little cheap so we ended up only replacing the bottom two feet of the entire shower.
I musta run into someone cheaper ...
redid a pan once where we only went up about 6".
worked out perfect ... no reason to tear up good tile ... just went to the first good grout line. Like I told the HO's ... ya only gotta get above the curb ...
that's all the higher the water is gonna try for!
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Was the rest of your shower done on green board?
This one leaked for sometime. We had rotted framing, and some weeping up the wall.
no ... if it was I'da torn out the whole deal.
last one I did ... where I went up only 6" or so ...
was actually tiles really nicely.
that's why I was shooting for limiting the re-tile.
they had an accent strip down at that height.
just worked up to it.
it even had a rubber membrane ... and 2 pt clamping drain ... gravel around the weep holes ... everything done right.
except ... the membrane ... was cut nice and square ... to fit neatly inside the walls.
didn't run up.
just laid there.
figured maybe they couldn't figure out how to fold the corners?
picked up a shower framing tip a while back from my buddy who had been working with another tile setter. Guy asked him to frame the showers ...
with the 2x corners set an inch or so away from the "corner" ...
made for a little opening he could just tuck the membrane into.
run it high ... fold tight ... tuck and tack on the "outside" of the shower.
makes for a nice, neat, tight corner.
less fighting when tile time comes. add in notched 2x's and it's all square as can be.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
was a little cheap so we ended up only replacing the bottom two feet of the entire shower.
That my friend....... is why I am trying to figure out the correct way from this point forward. He has already poured it. I just hope I find a definitive answer "and" he hasn't done anything else to it just yet with the Holidays upon us..... Like you said, I would hate to see it leak then have him tear it all out.
A couple of people here have suggested that a proper "paint on" moisture barrier would be good enough, then put tile on top of this. In my head, "paint on" doesn't compute. Not that it isn't good, I just have a problem getting by it, I would want something tangible, something more concrete, like a rubber sheet, material type moisture barrier. I mean it is an area that "gets" wet not an area that has a possibility of getting wet. But I am not in this business, ya'll are! LOL
Soooo, I digress to aircraft! LOL
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
"A couple of people here have suggested that a proper "paint on" moisture barrier would be good enough, then put tile on top of this. In my head, "paint on" doesn't compute. Not that it isn't good, I just have a problem getting by..."
You've never used them, you've never seen them, you know nothing about these products.
What makes you so good that you already know they don't work?
Take your head outta the sand and research the stuff. It's possible that your project woulda been done last week or before if you wouldn't hold the position that only you know what's good or not.
The link I provided gave all of the technical and testing information necessary. Did you read it? The stuff can stretch up to 6 times it's size without failure. A crack can form up to 1/8" and it'll bridge it without failure.
I'm using it in an exterior application going thru numerous freeze-thaw cycles and I haven't seen any failures. And I can see underneath the application to monitor it. But maybe your inside shower jobs are a more extreme enviroment?
Why would any domestic manufacturer makes these claims if they couldn't stand behind them in today's litigious society?
LOL, here we go......
You've never used them, you've never seen them, you know nothing about these products.
What makes you so good that you already know they don't work?
That is why I am asking. I am not "so good"....
Take your head outta the sand and research the stuff. It's possible that your project woulda been done last week or before if you wouldn't hold the position that only you know what's good or not.
It is not my project or my job. It is a friends project and he asked me a couple of questions about it, I told him I didn't know. I told him to talk to someone that specializes in flooring like, bathrooms. Later did I think of asking ya'll and posted the question. I don't see this guy but a few times a month as it is but I was interested in the way to do this because it may come up again in the future and I want to know how to do this. I am interested in stuff that I know little about.
The link I provided gave all of the technical and testing information necessary. Did you read it? The stuff can stretch up to 6 times it's size without failure. A crack can form up to 1/8" and it'll bridge it without failure.
I'm using it in an exterior application going thru numerous freeze-thaw cycles and I haven't seen any failures. And I can see underneath the application to monitor it. But maybe your inside shower jobs are a more extreme environment?
Why would any domestic manufacturer makes these claims if they couldn't stand behind them in today's litigious society?
So every product made in this world works as advertised? BS.
In no way shape or form will all products work as well as each other.
That site you gave is a good link with a zillion products. This guy wants to put tile on his floor in the shower. Can you put tile on this product? Which product? There are numerous products with different applications of the Miracote line. All you gave was a link and nothing more. No testimony, no product application for this scenario. Was I asking too much for a particular product. I probably would have researched it exhaustingly if it was for "my" shower.
It is obvious that your environment is more challenging than a shower.
Miracote seem like a product that is the finished floor. You can put it down and stamp it, texture it, leave it as is, etc..... I plan to keep it in the files but I cannot see how it would work with what this guy wants.
Hey Pete just because you post a link to a product doesn't mean it is "the product" to use. I have been here long enough to see that everyone has their preferred product line for whatever reason.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Peace.
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
is today yur Monday????
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
LOL, no actually tomorrow. Today I guess you would call it a Sunday...... Feels like a Monday.
Cabin fever I guess, been raining lately. Worked Christmas eve, and Christmas nights. Not much rest......... :-)
I'll just rest and quit while I'm behind.....
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
so "TWO" Mondays for you this week then....
go rest...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
"That site you gave is a good link with a zillion products. This guy wants to put tile on his floor in the shower. Can you put tile on this product? Which product? There are numerous products with different applications of the Miracote line. All you gave was a link and nothing more. No testimony, no product application for this scenario. Was I asking too much for a particular product. I probably would have researched it exhaustingly if it was for "my" shower.
It is obvious that your environment is more challenging than a shower.
Miracote seem like a product that is the finished floor. You can put it down and stamp it, texture it, leave it as is, etc..... I plan to keep it in the files but I cannot see how it would work with what this guy wants."
The link I provided went directly to the fact sheet on Membrane A. The actual Miracote website does have many, many products, but I'm only referring to "Membrane A."
http://www.miracote.com/index.php?href=productdetail&id=6
It comes in a 5 gallon bucket. It has the consistency like the bottom of a can of paint that has sat around for a year or two - or in other words, a very thick paint. It is best applied with a notched trowel and backrolled (use a foam or very short napped roller) for evenness. Some prefer to lay a fabric on top of this first coat (which should be about 25 mills thick), backroll again, and allow to set for a coupla hours. Then another coat same as the first, but without the fabric, so's you're ending up with about 50 mills of thickness. That's 1/20th of an inch in my figgering - bout the same thickness of an EDPM membrane.
In my application, I sprinkled some sharp sand on to this final coat for adherance purposes for the topping that gets put on top of it. In my case, I applied a stamping concrete (another Miracote product) on top of it. But for a shower, I would imagine thinset would be used for your tile. And I would imagine in a shower, you wouldn't have the lateral forces requiring the sand.
In that Membrane A link, that reference to the "ICC..." refers to an independent testing lab that evaluates construction products and procedures. So this is not Miracote's unsubstantiated claims.
I have used the Redgard (that Plumber Bill mentions) under tile to waterproof the floor in my laundry room. I used two coats of that in my application, but only as an insurance, since I don't expect any moisture accumulating on that floor. I have no experince with Redgard in showers. But Bill sees far more of those than I.
Edited 12/27/2007 5:42 pm ET by peteshlagor
so how did U tie this all in to a shower drain?
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I've never installed a shower drain.
But if I were to with this product, I would prepare the bed first as described, imagining the ruff drainpipe would be in place, using this material in place of felt, membrane, whatever. Giving me a waterproof surface to build upon.
Then I would have Bill the Plumber put his first piece of drain in place, dab a bit more of the product around the drain to insure the seal, allow to dry, and then lay the tile. Then Bill would come back and complete his drain assemby.
But really, I would rather have the company fax or email me specific instructions and/or diagrams instead of listening to my drivel.
I find them quite responsive to such questions.
Bottomline, they want your money. By guiding you thru the process and making sure you're happy with the results, you'll come back and buy more in the future.
Or so that's how it's supposed to work!
"I've never installed a shower drain."
I know.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Well, Jeff, it's also obvious that you're unwilling to learn new procedures.
Call the frickin' company. Are you able to do that? Or does someone else have to do it for you?
But Plumber Bill has done the installs. Wasn't his explanation good enuff?
It comes in a 5 gallon bucket. It has the consistency like the bottom of a can of paint that has sat around for a year or two - or in other words, a very thick paint. It is best applied with a notched trowel .............
Thanks Pete! I am going to try and get a hold of him today and throw this at him. I'll get him to call the company about the drain situation too. Seriously, thank you.
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
Laticrete works.
Green goop you paint on.
Do some research, then say it won't/can't work.
I've used it, it works.
Joe H
LOL
Where did I say it wouldn't work? What I wrote is below. No where in there is a negative of a product. Any product. I just meant IN MY HEAD, IT DOESN'T "SOUND" RIGHT. That is all. I plan to tell him about Laticrete and Miracote and let him decide. Let him figure out which product to use and what application to use for him. Even in Laticrete there are different application products for different situations. I gave the situation he needs but now just have to leaf through the products to determine which one to use. Does that make sense? If I chose Laticrete since you have used it and it works, which Latcrete product should he use? There is more than one type.
A couple of people here have suggested that a proper "paint on" moisture barrier would be good enough, then put tile on top of this. In my head, "paint on" doesn't compute. Not that it isn't good, I just have a problem getting by it, I would want something tangible, something more concrete, like a rubber sheet, material type moisture barrier. I mean it is an area that "gets" wet not an area that has a possibility of getting wet. But I am not in this business, ya'll are! LOL
Nothing in what I wrote above seems out of line. I apologize for ya'll taking it that way.
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote
I know you need some type of rubber barrier when there is a plywood floor where you install a manufactured shower pan. However, in this case there are two concrete floors, so it is not necessary. The only area to worry about is the drain which must be established when you pour the concrete and, the area where the pan is facing the wall.
However, in this case there are two concrete floors,
concrete ain't waterproof.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
concrete ain't waterproof.
That is why I am worried! Concrete being porous is the issue.
“Some people wonder all their lives if they've made a difference. The Marines don't have that problem.” Reagan....
Failure is the condiment that gives success its flavor. -Truman Capote