Client wants converging pocket doors for the master closet. would like both doors to open at the same even if only sliding one side.
i assumed i could find a kit that would have a cable system that would do this, but am not having any luck in my searching.
has any body ever used such a kit? or made there own? or could atleast point me in the right direction.?
Looked at johnson hardwares kits for converging doors. but could find no reference to what we would like to do.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pt3k0dhhImo
ill buy if u can translate.
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All seeing magic eyes detect presense of moving object and activates sections of door to accomodate passage of object or personage. Opening thus formed corresponds roughly to actual size of said object or personage, opening sufficiently to provide passage without completely expanding to offer the entire opening potentially available.
A takeoff of the pocket doors as seen on Star Trek but with a potential to put your eye out if the wrong section of door slat fails to open as you hurry through. Look at the last few seconds of the clip and you'll see what I mean.
Look at the way draperies operate when you pull the cord and you can work out the pulley setup. I'll bet you could figure out a reversible motor and associated limit switches and put together a powered pocket door package for your customer.
Put it together with a speaker intoning, "CAPTAIN ON THE BRIDGE", each time the door opens and you got it sold. Don't forget the "swoosh" sound.
lol.
#### how much will i need to mortgage on my home?
Jeez, maybe it is just the Beam but it seems to me all you need is a single loop with attachments at 0 and 180 degrees. String between pulleys at each end. One door goes to one attachment and the other... at the meeting edge. When you pull one door open, the other will open
http://www.hafele.com/us/
Give them a call, I'm sure they have what you are looking for, or they know how it can be done.
You will pay dearly for it, but they make a good product.
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I've installed a set of doors that operate as you describe, as some one else suggested Hafele has the hardware for this application. Be prepared to pay, they don't give anything away.
http://www.hafele.com/us/external/catalog/bh/163-178.pdf
Scroll down to the part where it says, "Top hung system", that's the hardware that I used. You can sorta see how it works. That hardware mentions its for 4 doors opening simultaneously but I'm sure you can find the hardware for just two doors if you look a little bit more.
Here is a picture of the doors, doesn't show the hardware though. Leads to the keg cooler!
Doug
If you go farther down the page paghe 171, pdf page 9) they have the Symmetric 80/Z û Hawa, which is a 2 door system.And the last one, Divido Synchro 100/HSO û EKU, is also a 2 door and uses a cable. the others a belt..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
Yup it looks like they use the single loop I described ... but you are paying for the superior rollers and hanging hardware. That is a lot nicer looking than the stuff at the Home depot. I may have to order that for my project, thanks for the link
Thanks for the links. ill be checking them out.
I thought it would be easy just to order a pre designed kit. guess there is a little more to it than that.
I just did a price check on the Hafele Symmetric 80/Z Hawa biparting sliding door kit plus tracks, bumpers, and floor stops.
Net about $560 before tax and shipping. As is all hardware Hafele, it is probably quite elegant.
Can we make it an auto-opener, little thumbprint or retina scan thingie on the adjacent wall, then recloses on voice command? Very James Bondish.
Let's carry this a step further. What the heck, we're spending money and having fun, so let's go green. FSC-certified door panels made of Plyboo's DuraPalm material. Use your waterborne clearcoat from someone like Target. Wow!
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That price is about 150 more than i guessed it would be.
but all in all doesnt sound to bad. ill run it by the home owner and see how she reacts to the cost.
just wondering if it has to be such ornate hardware or if maybe run of the mill stuff would work just as well. could probably get all for about 300? less.
not sure if she's into the retina scanner but i will ask!
You are welcome to shop hardware for converging doors, but I'll bet you won't do much better than $500 cost.
Why in the world would you be trying to save this customer money and dumb down the hardware? She is the one that wants this jewel, so let her pay.
If they want a SubZero fridge in their kitchen, do you think it is your job to talk them into a Kenmore?
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hhmmm. pretty sure as the general contractor its my job to check out all options and present as so.
Im here asking q's to see what others have done.
She didnt ask for super high end hardware for her pocket door.
She asked for converging pocket doors.
If the hardware that you all have suggested is what it takes.. fine by me. and im sure...fine by her.
Havent tried to talk anybody out of anything. or tried dumbing down anything.
LOL
Thanks Bill, figured it had to be there, I was in a hurry to get out the door to do some charity work for my son!
Doug
cant get pdf file to come up on comp. for some reason. ill have my wife figure it out for me later.
Did you use thier hardware for the application you built?
About what would i be looking at for costs? if you know.
Im more concerned about reliability in the future. dont want to be rippen out doors in 2-3 years.
This is a big file and it takes a while to load
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I didnt order the hardware so I dont know the cost. I see Gene gave you some prices and considering it's Hafele I'd say that that's about right. They dont give anything away but they are the Rolls Royce of hardware.
I Wouldnt be to concerned about the quality and the lasting ability of their hardware, the prices are high but so is the quality. I try to use them whenever I can. Their pocket door hardware is second to none.
Sorry cant give you any more info, been a while.
Doug
I just did this. I found the Hafele to be a little too spendy so I ended up with Johnson 200 about half the price.
After I got the doors hung my wife asked me about the converging thing (that I had forgotten by then)
Two $3 pulleys from Ace hardware, 25' of nylon cord and a spring, I was in business. The pulleys go under the ends of the track and loop the cord through them. I put a loop on each end of the cord and used the spring to connect them to keep it tight. I just took a single round turn around a hanger stud on each door (one going one way the other going the other way)and it works great. Less than $10. If I find the round turns around the studs slipping I will put a tywrap on them but it hasn't been a problem so far.
http://esteroriverheights.com/electrical/converging_door.jpg
Edited 10/19/2008 2:24 pm ET by gfretwell
Man, that's just super - I've got some 18" converging pocket doors (yes, I made them really narrow to fit in the 7' width) in the hall I WILL try that with.
Thanks for the pix.
Forrest
A great idea!
Along similar lines, for less resistance through the pulleys there are pulley sheaves made specifically for small diameter steel cable.
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These Johnson 200 wheels roll pretty easy and they move with a fingertip, even moving both of the doors. These are two 36" doors made from PVC shutters, a tad over 5 feet tall. They are up off the floor a little but I can live with that. The price was right (zero).