ran into two unique details that had to be worked out sooner or later.
started subing for a new kitchen/bath place … got into this job at the trim stage.
home owners said they talked the designer into shoving the biggest cab’s possible into the smallest space available … knowing full well some excellent trim carps would show up and make it all look nice …. I went with their top installer, Kerby … pretty much just to take pic’s!
These are the details me, Kerby and the home owner came up with to overcome the obstacles … one … cab’s real tight to a window … the other … cab’s tight to a doorway that was to be lower … so the crown would die into a wall … but the HO wanted that opening taller …
the one where the cab’s are tight to a window … they have plans for slat blinds to hang down … plus … there’s already brackets for lace curtains to hang over the slats.
So … we decided to stop and return the crown … so when the blinds and curtains are hung … the lace curtains will just kiss the crown … but all will be free to fall naturally and operate without a hitch.
Just had to add a scrap of filler material at the same height as the crown to “fill” the open area with cab colored stock. Home owners were thrilled with our execution of their plans …
Jeff
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Edited 12/10/2005 2:07 am ET by JeffBuck
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nice detail work, that solid hardwood crown is tricky stuff, especially prefinished
I see your mounting screws inside the cab, but how is the crown attached?
Nice job!
Hey ... someone else stuck them boxes on the wall and exposed all their big/fat fasteners ... I just got to trim them!
btw ... the head carp for that company was planning on rounding up some screw caps to help hide those big black dots ...
as to the crown fastening ... I prebuild everything in as big of runs as I can manage to get back into place ... glue and 23g pin nail ... then lift and pin nail into place.
After it's set with a liberal amount of pins ... I shoot as few 18g's as possible. Usually just one at each end ... sometimes on in the middle ... and if need be ... more along the way to straighten a slightly crooked piece ... but fewer is gooder!
The 23g pins pretty much disappear ... and I like to shoot the 18g's either into a groove ... right above a bead ... or if nothing like that is available to help hide a nail ... I pick a fat part of dark grain .... sometimes just the alignment of the gun ...held vertical or horizontal ... will help hide the puncture wound.
align the plunger with the grain ... when ya fill it looks more natural.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Jeff,
What brand pinner do you own and what kind of experience have you had with it?
What do you use to fill holes?? I HATE those friggin crayons. I use color putty (Dap I think) and find good macthes out of the can or blend them if I need.
Eric[email protected]
It's Never Too Late To Become What You Might Have Been
Eric, you ever glue and use the Collins spring clamp on those corners and returns?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
I've been using Gorilla glue lately. But ya gotta be careful especially on the inside corners. It's not fun to see it start oozing out of the joint at 3:30. You know what you'll be looking at in the am.
When I have from behind access, or the ability to build the assembly, I will use glue and then a drop or two of hot melt as my clamp. Not as forgiving as a Collins.
Gotta get me a coupla dose.
Eric[email protected]
It's Never Too Late To Become What You Might Have Been
I've found them useful. Got 'em to use on casings. Found quickly that small parts, tall returns and then on crown, great.
They work great when I am laminating a backer on casing to position b/4 pinning. Like anything else, you just have to remember you have them.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
calvin, please forgive me but where the heck is the glqass city thanks
Toledo, Ohio.
Heck's in Colorado, he used to be from New Mexico.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
Quittin' Time
I'm sorry, your work was good as it could be, but that looks like crap .. they couldn't have got taller cabnets, or raised it more, or skipped the crown, it just doesn't look right (to me) ..
Wane....I couldn`t agree more. Excellent excecution on Jeffs part, but that looks like azz.
It looks like exactly what it is.
Someone finding a fix to a small part of a larger problem.
I mighta built a valance over the window using the crown....still don`t know if it would have helped much.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
I was wondering if you couldnt have run the crown across the front, sorta the valance thing?
I'd like to see it with the blinds up, maybe that would help finish the "look" up.
Doug
remember kids ...
that was just a tight shot on a small part of a whole kitchen.
the design actually looks very nice indeed.
a valance was discussed ... and good sense prevailed .. as it woulda looked like sh!t.
there's a can light up above the sink ... and even though I've installed plenty of designs where the valance "floats in space" ... I always hate it.
open below ... and above ... and behind ... then all the light from the can just shines out everywhere ... yech.
Once the blinds and curtains are up ... Yer all gonna love it!
found out today I may get back there for some final trim/punch list ... I'll make sure to bring the camera and stand back for a wide shot.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
I was thinking more along the lines of a window valance.....to encase the window treatment.
I agree....I don`t like the look of those faux soffet valances either.
Nice work on the crown BTW....just don`t care for the application.
I`ll hold final judgement till more pics are posted though.
J. D. Reynolds
Home Improvements
ohhh ...
well then ... we'll compromise!
the HO's already have a valance type curtain that'll fit those outer brackets ....
those help hide the slat blinds.
hopefully they'll have it all in place if and when I get back.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Incredible work. That's a great way to finish the crown. I may have to steal it one day.
Headstong, I'll take on anyone!
Thank goodness for extra toe kick. The crown return by the window will look great once the blinds are in place, like they were designed that way from the get go.
Cheers,
Don
""So ... we decided to stop and return the crown ... so when the blinds and curtains are hung ... the lace curtains will just kiss the crown ... but all will be free to fall naturally and operate without a hitch.""
Are u gonna take the last photo of that finished? I did like to see the idea. I think that is a neat idea.
hopefully.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa