Saw this house today and had to stop and snap a few pics.
I understand the copper scallopped looking roofline was designed to match the mountain ridges.
Sorry for the dark prints but I don’t have ready access to Irfanview right now.
Saw this house today and had to stop and snap a few pics.
I understand the copper scallopped looking roofline was designed to match the mountain ridges.
Sorry for the dark prints but I don’t have ready access to Irfanview right now.
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Looks like fun.
Birth, school, work, death.....................
Thought you might have enjoyed that.
A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
One of the great things about standing seams, covers pretty much whatever. Even my last roof, that didn't turn out so flat.
But mountain ridges? Around Cleveland? You must be someplace else.
PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
It's in Southern New Hampshire (pronounced New Hampsha).
Down the road a piece is an old rammed earth house from quite a while back.The standard houses at the side of the road are all monsters. Seems they all have an affinity for double and triple deck porches.To an Ohio homeboy it seemed extreme to see such rockie soil that it takes two telephone poles to keep itself upright and sturdy. They angle an extra pole down from the top as bracing.Place across the street is an 1788 that has indian cupboards that could be slid over the windows on the inside in the event of hostile indians back then.
Cistern toilets 3 side by side downstairs and 2 seats upstairs. Don't know if it was family togetherness or less often cleaning out the holding tank.
Hope to get some pics and I'll post on here.
A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
Keepin' cool eh? Please do post more . Especially would like to see the lid (particularly overhangs) on the RE place.
We once rented a house here with a 2 seater privy, complete with woodstove. DW thought it was a little too much togetherness. Then she read about the numerous incidence of spider bites. Stuck with the indoor plumbing.
Travelling's particularly good to see other house (and roofing) styles:PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
Chances are I won't be able to get any close up pics of the RE overhangs but I will be in that area Saturday for a barn raising of a Japanese structure built in '87 and on display for several months then put into storage.I saw a small model of it and the foundation for it is already in. The gentleman is doing it right.Apparently two Japanese woodworkers came to the states to specifically build this barntype structure if I got the story correct, and even went into a woods to hand pick the logs that go into the roof elements of the building.Found out he'd been an old FHB reader from way back and even had a story he'd written published in a 'Great Moments in Building History' a number of years back.He'd never even heard of Breaktime. I was trying to get him to check it out and sign on as he has a wealth of experience in Japanese architecure.
A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
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A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
002S is a joint? Can't hardly imagine. Tenon's kinda short.
The tools, or their cousins, live here. I was very skeptical until a Colorado friend, 100 yrs ago, invited me to his shop to sharpen and compare. I ended up with a set of laminated chisels (up and coming maker), various saws and planes, and a wonderful set of water stones.
You retooling? Where're the chisels? Can require a second mortgage if you're not careful. PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
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A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
razz
You got a final picture of what that is? Or is it just a practice in jointery?
Doug
The structure was built in 30 days by two japanese and one american carpenters back in '87.
I understand they japanese carps were amazed by the openese of the american woodlands as the japanese forest were so regimented and controlled.
A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
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A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
How about a cheat sheet of translations for the Japanese writing on the lumber? Does it say stuff like "Top" or "South" -- the kind of notes I sometimes make to myself on components?
I notice that some joints are identified by Arabic numbers, like the "4" in picture 007s. Also interesting because "four" sounds like the Japanese word for "death", and is avoided there much as some people here avoid using the number thirteen.
-- J.S.
I'm not the one to ask about the translations as Iarrived green for the day just to assist not knowingwhat to expect except it was a japanese structure.I was hoping to see the arrival of the owner here toclarify things but apparently what you see is whatyou're going to get. Thy had some japanese chisels todie for.The building components were salvaged from severaldifferent storage procedures over the years, survivingbat droppings, rodent chews and a little surface rotfrom wet. The owners appreciation and previous involvement withjapanese woodworking techniques put him in theposition of not being able to let the structure go. Despite some pieces ending up as missing he decidedthe building ranked as a museum piece and needed tobe resurrected to a home and he was the candidate.
A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
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A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
DAMM..that is SOOOOO good.
Did ya pay for the visit? Fill me in here..I love it.
My Bro lived in an outskirt of Tokyo, I went for a failed bonemarrow transplant, met some carps, saw some stuff...that is some neat work. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Friend asked if I wanted to go.
Sure. No question.
Handful of folk there. Most had some experience in Japanese technique I believe.
Since most of the pieces were made back it '87 and the building had been previously erected it was pretty straightforward seeing several of the carps were in on the original.
A few pieces were missing and had to be made. Can't get those chisels out of my brain. Makes me want a set.
No nails and screws used until the cedar roof. Cement board panels slide into grooves on the vertical members.
The pre-building ceremony was missing the appropiate priest as none could be located on the east coast after contacting various japanese agencies and divinity schools.
We were standing talking afterward about that and the missing confetti when at the mention of the confetti a little girl unaware of the conversation and about 50 yards away suddenly threw handfuls of floating seed pods into the air. Pretty cool thing to happen.
A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
Can't get those chisels out of my brain. Makes me want a set.
Only one solution. They're worth it. But not good for cutting nails.PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
C'est Bon..
thats the limit of my Japanese....
are snails really sushi?
I didn't think so.....
yer a lucky man. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Apparently during the 18 year storage time some of the sill beams had developed twists that had to be remedied by inserting deep sill bolts and gradually tightening them down to correct it.
Ya, it was a rewarding experience.
A person with no sense of humor about themselves is fullashid
Awesome..just awesome.
I made large wonker like that for the persuasion I needed here..
Gotta luv a good wonker. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Hi,
I have just gotten the time to locate this site and sign in. I am still working to get the roof on this little Japanese house. To answer a few questions- The house parts are labeled using a grid system. Japanes letters on one axis of the plan view and numbers on the other axis. Each piece gets the letter and number of its position on the grid so anyone can figure out where it goes. Any english numbers you see were put there by the American crew that took the frame apart in the fall of 1987. The building was part of a show at the Brattleboro museum which put up a Japanese and a New England timberframe house outside the museum on the same day. I have been working this week to finish getting the roof on so it is protected from the weather. We have not had time to stop to take any pictures yet. We will be putting on the roof planks Thursday and Friday. We had a good crew of volunteers on Saturday. Thanks to all who came. PT
Edited 8/3/2005 6:54 pm ET by PT
Well that's great PT, I'm glad you're able to come on here and clarify things beyond my limited knowledge of the work. And thanks for the opportunity to see and experience a piece of it first hand. Maybe sometime I'll be able to try that Japanese plane. :o)
In some cases a picture can speak much better than words.Seeing you'll be able to give a more complete pic of the progress to the finish I'll go ahead and shoot out to all the few I have remaining .
Cheers.
Edited 2/8/2008 5:18 pm ET by rez
Old pipeorgan builders always used Roman numerals to address joints, cuz making an eight with a chisel can be perplexing. Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
Actually, that's not quite accurate.
Can't write the figure for four in Japanese for obvious reasons, but they don't avoid use of the quantity or numeral.
However, there are two ways of pronouncing the numeral.
SHII is one way, and is the same pronunciation of the word for death.
YONG is the other pronunciation, and is the one usually used. The numeral and quantity are not avoided, only the morbid pronunciation
Stef
Edited 8/2/2005 8:02 pm ET by stef
> The numeral and quantity are not avoided, only the morbid pronunciation
What I know of it comes from professional digital video tape formats. We had ones called D1, D2, D3, D5, and D6. D4 was skipped, and according to folks who work for the Japanese electronics companies, this was the reason.
That frame is a beautiful piece of work. I'm still wondering about the writing, since there seems to be more of it than just a simple grid system.
-- J.S.
"The Complete Japanese Joinery" by Yasuo Nakahara<< The Grid letters and numbers identify the location and directional orientation of structural members such as posts, beams, girders, and footings.
Starting at the bottom left corner of the floor plan, letters (A),(B),(C)...up and numbers (1),(2),(3)...across, are assigned to the grid, with the side with the entryway closest to the viewer. With these symbols, a column located at the intersection of grid lines C and 3 can be identified as column C3. Each grid marking is spaced to represent intervals of # feet. Taking C3 as an example, further attributes of this post can be delineated. Of the four surfaces of the post, the surface facing the bottom of the drawing, and entryway, is called the banzukemen, and is the face upon which grid identification C3 is marked. To avoid confusion in the case of buildings with multiple floors, the floor number is marked on the bottom left side, thus 2F3. Horizontal structural members such as beams and girders are marked in a similar fashion. A beam running up and down the board drawing will be marked vertically.
A beam running across the drawing will be marked horizontally.>>
You've been one busy little beaver... Makes me feel better about the checked timbers that hold up my recent copper/translucent panel roof.
Did that dovetailed tenon go into the last pic? As you undoubtedly know, it doesn't yet make a whole lot of sense from here.PAHS Designer/Builder- Bury it!
Oooooo - SWOOPY! I like it!
I've seen that style a few times but it's nice to finally see a roof looking like that, that was actually designed to look like that!
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