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   Piffin | Apr 30, 2007 12:57am | #1

   It would take mne an hour to download enourmous monster sized photos like that. You or a star guikded voluntyeer will have to resize them first.

   But photos aside, yes, most valleys like this with a history like you describe will need to be totally redone. Without seeing yours, I have no hesitancy in stating that the most common roof leak is a valley and the most common reason is that it was poorly done to begin with.

    

    

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   seeyou | Apr 30, 2007 01:02am | #3

   It's a pitch change with a chimney in the center of the valley.http://grantlogan.net/

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   Piffin | Apr 30, 2007 01:54am | #6

   Ouch!!!Not really in the center of the valley, which is a gauranteed leak forever, but this one is still bad design and poor execution. It could be done, but not with a W acting as a dam right there. Definitely something for a pro to tear all the way apart and re-do, not a DIY solution! 

    

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   cameraman | May 01, 2007 03:45am | #11

   Piffin, After pricing the copper valley materail today $$$$$. Could this valley be done better or less of a problem if it was a shingled valley, omit the copper????

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   Piffin | May 02, 2007 02:02am | #12

   somebody with some skills could probably clean things up and fix that for you with only 20-30 dollars worth of copper. It is th eskill as much as the materials. Where yours needs help is the flashing.I wouldn't even think of a closed or lapped valley there. 

    

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   theslateman | May 02, 2007 02:09am | #13

   It will be hard to clean what's there well enough to successfully solder the chimney pieces onto the valley.

   Because of the W valley it really isn't suitable to be left in place.

   Your copper valley sheets shouldn't run more than a couple hundred- then your own labor to install or a talented roofer to solder it up for you.

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   cameraman | May 03, 2007 03:09pm | #14

   That just about right on price for copper, the supply house said price changes about every week. My thought was to replace the W valley and reuse the old valley material on another roofing job on the house.

   Thanks to you and Piffen for the replys!

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   seeyou | Apr 30, 2007 01:01am | #2

   This is a situation (file under bad design) that can't be done properly without soldering. Because of the angle change in the valley, the overlap between the two pieces of valley is inadequate and if that joint is not soldered, who knows whats going on under that tar mess.

   Never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, smear tar on good copper.

   I'd pull it all apart and make sure all the joints at the two valley piece/chimney corner junction are soldered. If you use I&WS, lap it into the valley. You'll probably have to replace some pieces that are queered with caulk and tar. Good luck.

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   theslateman | Apr 30, 2007 01:03am | #4

   Yes ,there are plenty of us dial uppers willing to help,but please reduce these to 640x 480 or so ,so we can look at them.

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   cameraman | Apr 30, 2007 05:13am | #8

   Sorry for the large files, I reduced them in Irfanview but I guess not enough. That is not a chimeny, but another corner of a building. This was a reroof by a contractor.

   So it sounds that the correct fix is to have it torn back, make sure I&W, and solder up the copper properly.

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   theslateman | Apr 30, 2007 11:22am | #9

   When you redo this valley, use a plain V  valley ,not the W you now have.

   You should have a piece on the chimney which is also soldered onto the valley sheets .

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   cameraman | Apr 30, 2007 03:26pm | #10

   Thanks for all the replys, I am going to put some roof calk on for now, we have rain for the next few day, just to get by.

   I kinda figured that I would have to tear the shingles back & fit a new piece of valley copper. That W does exactly what Piffin says, "dams up the water"

   I have a "collar" bent, to wrap around that corner and soldered to the valley copper. Over lap my valley materials good & I&W under neath.

   Thanks, I'll work on downsizing photos better!!!

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   pebble | Apr 30, 2007 01:19am | #5

   I touched up a photo to raise the light level a little.

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   Piffin | Apr 30, 2007 01:57am | #7

   Thanks. Add photo resizer to handyman et al! 

    

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