FHB Logo Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter X Instagram Tiktok YouTube Plus Icon Close Icon Navigation Search Icon Navigation Search Icon Arrow Down Icon Video Guide Icon Article Guide Icon Modal Close Icon Guide Search Icon Skip to content
Subscribe
Log In
  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Restoration
  • Videos
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House
  • Podcast
Log In

Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

Crimping lots of ground wires

Houghton123 | Posted in Construction Techniques on July 24, 2007 06:42am

Our local hardware store carries one size of crimp fitting for crimping the ground wires together in a box.  Some of the boxes in my kitchen remodel have more ground wires than will fit in a fitting, and, while I can use wire nuts, they take up a lot of room.  I ran the line ground wire to the grounding screw in the metal box in all cases.  Is it permissible to run the line ground through one crimp fitting with however many wires I can fit in, add a second crimp fitting, and crimp some more wires in the second one?

Incidentally, the issue is not excessive wires for the box – I did that calculation, and I’m OK.

Reply
  • X
  • facebook
  • linkedin
  • pinterest
  • email
  • add to favorites Log in or Sign up to save your favorite articles

Replies

  1. DaveRicheson | Jul 25, 2007 07:42pm | #1

    You can daisey chain ground. Nothing wrong with it.

     

    Dave

  2. rasconc | Jul 25, 2007 07:57pm | #2

    Can use a "Greenie", takes three #12 and 1 #14 or Buchannan B-cap takes up to 5 #12.

    http://www.idealindustries.com/wt/TwistOnWireConnectors.nsf

  3. marv | Jul 25, 2007 10:34pm | #3

    What is the size of the box?  how many ground wires do you have?  If its more than three, where do they come from/go to?  What size wire?

    You get out of life what you put into it......minus taxes.

    Marv



    Edited 7/25/2007 3:35 pm by Marv

    1. Houghton123 | Jul 26, 2007 12:15am | #5

      3-gang, 2-1/2" depth,  line plus four load NM cables, three switches (one switch ties to two cables, for overhead lighting in different directions in the room), in the box that triggered my question.  Some of the other big ones have line plus three - I'm less concerned about those.

      1. DaveRicheson | Jul 26, 2007 02:45pm | #6

         line plus four load NM cables, three switches

        Land one each on each switch. Tie the last one to any one of the three with a crimp connector. No need to bug them all together then pigtail to each switch. Keep it simple, they all go back to the ground bus in the panel anyway, don't they?

         

        Dave

        Edited 7/26/2007 7:46 am ET by DaveRicheson

        1. edlee | Jul 26, 2007 02:55pm | #7

          No need to bug them all together

          Yes there is.

          they all go back to the ground bus in the panel anyway, don't they?

          No, they simply go back to the previous switch/junction or outlet box in the circuit. If all the boxes were done the way you suggest, if I understand you correctly, they wouldn't be connected to anything.

           

          Ed

          1. User avater
            BillHartmann | Jul 26, 2007 03:19pm | #8

            Your right.Also IIRC the code requires all egc to be connected together, regardless.For example if these had beween 3 switch legs, so that each one is connected to the incoming EGC at the light you still need to connect them all of them together.I don't know why. Electrically it does not matter. One EGC is enough. Must just be belt and suspenders, plus some crazy glue..
            .
            A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.

          2. User avater
            SamT | Jul 26, 2007 04:56pm | #9

            'Cuz if you remove a switch, (to replace or ???), everything downstream is degrounded, but still may be hot. If a switch self destructs and takes the ground with it, same thing.I would add one bare pigtail to the main ground wire bundle, then add three green insulated pigtails to that one wire. I would use insulated grounds to the switches to prevent possible shorts when they get moved around when anybody works on the box in the future.SamT

  4. User avater
    popawheelie | Jul 25, 2007 11:13pm | #4

    Sometimes fitting all the wires in a box is a pain in the butt. When I have a lot of wires I do it in a systematic way. I always put the ground in back to get it out of the way. Fold the wires and push them back with your neddle nose pliers. The next wires are ones that pass throught the box. The last wires are the ones you will nedd for plugs or switches in that box. I like to use pig tails for the box if you can fit them in so next time you go into that box the switch or recepticle comes out more easily. 

    When I put boxes in I get big ones. You can plan where the big ones are most likely going to be needed if money is a concern. 

  5. Rockford | Jul 31, 2007 02:33am | #10

    I started using the crimps on all of my grounds too, until I realized that I was severing the wire with the crimp tool.  I would neatly twist three to four bares, slide on the appropriate sized sleeve and crimp.  When I would fold the bundle into the box one of the bares would simply break off inside of the crimp sleeve. 

    I know that crimps have been used successfully for many years, so I must have been doing something wrong and Ididn't want to continue.

    I abondoned the crimps for the rest of the job and switched to the feed-through green nuts and the ground pig tales with stranded #12 and a spade connector.  These really make it easy to trim out.

    1. DaveRicheson | Aug 01, 2007 01:08pm | #11

      What were you crimping with?

       

      Dave

      1. User avater
        SamT | Aug 01, 2007 09:22pm | #12

        Ya no those big red tools with 3' handles and itty bitty 2" anvil shaped mouth pieces. Whaddaya call'em. . . . Oh, yeah, bolt crimpers, er, cutters.SamT

        1. DaveRicheson | Aug 01, 2007 09:38pm | #13

          luggers are what we call them. Not really correct, but just a term we are all familar with. Real Luggers are used by our linemen for big crimp on splice connectors. Huge monsters that won't fit in my back pocket.

           

          Dave

        2. DaveRicheson | Aug 01, 2007 09:44pm | #14

          http://cableorganizer.com/klein-tools/strippers-cutters-crimpers/journeyman-crimping-tool-insulated.htm

          These are what I use.

           

          Dave

    2. mwgaines | Aug 01, 2007 09:49pm | #15

      This is probably the tool you should have been using...

      http://www.twacomm.com/catalog/model_C-24.htmNew knowledge is priceless. 

      Used knowledge is even more valuable.

  6. User avater
    IMERC | Aug 01, 2007 10:30pm | #16

    use this type / style...

    http://www.twacomm.com/catalog/model_C-24.htm

     

    View Image
    View Image

    Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

    WOW!!! What a Ride!
    Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

Log in or create an account to post a comment.

Sign up Log in

Become a member and get full access to FineHomebuilding.com

Video Shorts

Categories

  • Business
  • Code Questions
  • Construction Techniques
  • Energy, Heating & Insulation
  • General Discussion
  • Help/Work Wanted
  • Photo Gallery
  • Reader Classified
  • Tools for Home Building

Discussion Forum

Recent Posts and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
View More Create Post

Up Next

Video Shorts

Featured Story

Grout-Free Shower Panels

Engineered-stone shower panels are waterproof, but proper installation relies on tight seams and silicone sealing.

Featured Video

How to Install Cable Rail Around Wood-Post Corners

Use these tips to keep cables tight and straight for a professional-looking deck-railing job.

Related Stories

  • A Postwar Comeback
  • With Swedish Arts & Crafts Precedent
  • Natural Simplicity
  • A Grand Rescue on the Coast

Highlights

Fine Homebuilding All Access
Fine Homebuilding Podcast
Tool Tech
Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20

"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Fine Homebuilding Magazine

  • Issue 332 - July 2025
    • Custom Built-ins With Job-Site Tools
    • Fight House Fires Through Design
    • Making the Move to Multifamily
  • Issue 331 - June 2025
    • A More Resilient Roof
    • Tool Test: You Need a Drywall Sander
    • Ducted vs. Ductless Heat Pumps
  • Issue 330 - April/May 2025
    • Deck Details for Durability
    • FAQs on HPWHs
    • 10 Tips for a Long-Lasting Paint Job
  • Old House Journal – August 2025
    • With Swedish Arts & Crafts Precedent
    • Designing the Perfect Garden Gate
    • Old House Air-Sealing Basics
  • Issue 329 - Feb/Mar 2025
    • Smart Foundation for a Small Addition
    • A Kominka Comes West
    • Making Small Kitchens Work

Fine Home Building

Newsletter Sign-up

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox.

  • Green Building Advisor

    Building science and energy efficiency advice, plus special offers, in your inbox.

  • Old House Journal

    Repair, renovation, and restoration tips, plus special offers, in your inbox.

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters

Follow

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X

Membership & Magazine

  • Online Archive
  • Start Free Trial
  • Magazine Subscription
  • Magazine Renewal
  • Gift a Subscription
  • Customer Support
  • Privacy Preferences
  • About
  • Contact
  • Advertise
  • Careers
  • Terms of Use
  • Site Map
  • Do not sell or share my information
  • Privacy Policy
  • Accessibility
  • California Privacy Rights

© 2025 Active Interest Media. All rights reserved.

Fine Homebuilding receives a commission for items purchased through links on this site, including Amazon Associates and other affiliate advertising programs.

  • Home Group
  • Antique Trader
  • Arts & Crafts Homes
  • Bank Note Reporter
  • Cabin Life
  • Cuisine at Home
  • Fine Gardening
  • Fine Woodworking
  • Green Building Advisor
  • Garden Gate
  • Horticulture
  • Keep Craft Alive
  • Log Home Living
  • Military Trader/Vehicles
  • Numismatic News
  • Numismaster
  • Old Cars Weekly
  • Old House Journal
  • Period Homes
  • Popular Woodworking
  • Script
  • ShopNotes
  • Sports Collectors Digest
  • Threads
  • Timber Home Living
  • Traditional Building
  • Woodsmith
  • World Coin News
  • Writer's Digest
Active Interest Media logo
X
X
This is a dialog window which overlays the main content of the page. The modal window is a 'site map' of the most critical areas of the site. Pressing the Escape (ESC) button will close the modal and bring you back to where you were on the page.

Main Menu

  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Video
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Popular Topics

  • Kitchens
  • Business
  • Bedrooms
  • Roofs
  • Architecture and Design
  • Green Building
  • Decks
  • Framing
  • Safety
  • Remodeling
  • Bathrooms
  • Windows
  • Tilework
  • Ceilings
  • HVAC

Magazine

  • Current Issue
  • Past Issues
  • Magazine Index
  • Subscribe
  • Online Archive
  • Author Guidelines

All Access

  • Member Home
  • Start Free Trial
  • Gift Membership

Online Learning

  • Courses
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Podcast

More

  • FHB Ambassadors
  • FHB House
  • Customer Support

Account

  • Log In
  • Join

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Follow

  • X
  • YouTube
  • instagram
  • facebook
  • pinterest
  • Tiktok

Join All Access

Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features.

Start Your Free Trial

Subscribe

FHB Magazine

Start your subscription today and save up to 70%

Subscribe

Enjoy unlimited access to Fine Homebuilding. Join Now

Already a member? Log in

We hope you’ve enjoyed your free articles. To keep reading, become a member today.

Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine.

Start your FREE trial

Already a member? Log in

Privacy Policy Update

We use cookies, pixels, script and other tracking technologies to analyze and improve our service, to improve and personalize content, and for advertising to you. We also share information about your use of our site with third-party social media, advertising and analytics partners. You can view our Privacy Policy here and our Terms of Use here.

Cookies

Analytics

These cookies help us track site metrics to improve our sites and provide a better user experience.

Advertising/Social Media

These cookies are used to serve advertisements aligned with your interests.

Essential

These cookies are required to provide basic functions like page navigation and access to secure areas of the website.

Delete My Data

Delete all cookies and associated data