I recently had to install crown in a recessed portion of a ceiling in a media room.
I am wondering how some of you crown wizards would have gone about making the corner joints – miter or cope?
If cope, do you have to double cope the final piece?
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Yup, cope and double cope.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
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You can double cope, I always try to make sure the piece I double cope is long enough to have some spring to it
You can also start with a scrap of crown on one wall, work your way around, pull the scrap, slide the butt end of you last piece in where the scrap was, than spring the cope into place
if the recess was not too large or it was multiple squares ( think coffered ) I would measure it REAL good and make it up on the floor with miters, glue and pins... 15G where I could get them and 18/23 everywhere else.. clamp up with ULMA miter clamps and go to lunch... maybe just glue and clamps before lunch and the nailing after.
when back from lunch I would just push it up into the space and nail it off real good.
I remember a job doing a coffered ceiling where I had "picture frames" scattered all throughout the house... electrician asked me what I was doing and I told him... making a coffered ceiling... he laughed and told me to quit pulling his leg, after lunch he understood.
james
Hey......I like your style.
thank you
When you install crown in any 4 sided room the last piece is always a double cope. As no corners in any room are ever perfectly square.
I knew all you gurus would set me straight, thanks.
normally I would agree with you but when you are dealing with a recess in a ceiling... think coffer, they are generally pretty close. you still need to measure VERY well, lengths and angles if you want to assemble it on the floor.
james
If it's coffered I might agree with you, he calls it a recessed ceiling which could be any size, think tray
Barry E-Remodeler
I've done a few crowns in a coffered ceiling. I do the same thing Barry does but I don't bother with a scrap of crown. Just leave the last third of the crown loose until you fit the last piece. You still wind up with four copes but not a double in the same piece.
mike
Thanks to a mis-cut, the horizontal piece of crown above the door is two pieces. Each piece was coped on the end and then I had to do a scarf joint in the middle.
Luckily, it's in our kitchen, so the time I had to spend making the scarf joint dissappear doesn't really count, right? - lol
Looks good from here!
Crown is nowhere near my specialty but it seems to me I read (maybe in FHB) where a guy was using a test piece as a filler to avoid the double cope situation.
I've done that, I think. Tack a scrap in, add a coped piece over the "place keeper." When you get back to the start, pull the scrap and slip the last piece in behind the first cope.Did that make any sense?
Exactly.
Cool.That is a good technique, though double coping can work fine too. Nice to have options.
I agree options are nice. I could see myself double coping some ridiculously intricate piece of moulding and ending up 1/4" short.
Just what Barry said, to avoid the double cope, put up a scrap with screws. There's a FHB Crown article by Clayton Dekorne (sp) detailing this.
Instead of screws, I just use the 23ga. to hold the scrap in place. Holds fine enough, but is easy to remove.
I use the carpenter's helper.
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iz dat sumthin' I can order from FastCap? ;o)
as long as you cross no state lines, I think so...
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"Carpenters helper"?
Gotta pic?
J. D. ReynoldsHome Improvements
everybody here has that one....
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Yeah.....but nobodys got the yams to post it!
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J. D. ReynoldsHome Improvements
too many time outs over that pic....
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
ya missed it...
Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->
WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!
No can do.
That pic got other people here a time out.
Wishful thinking on my part.