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   alrightythen | Apr 23, 2008 02:58am | #1

   is it the almost fabric like carpet? can you go over top of it?

   can't  go over over top?

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   Jim_Allen | Apr 23, 2008 03:20am | #2

   I knew a GC who used to do that. The specs won't allow that on this one. I'm just wondering if someone knows a magical way to get all the glue off. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   alrightythen | Apr 23, 2008 03:42am | #3

   I've tried paint stripper, it makes a huge mess if there is a rubber backing stuck on the floor. Big pole scrapers, and grinders with sanding discs or belt sanders did the job, good use of labourers. If only the glue is remaining once the carpet is pulled, I have had decent success with the paint stripper on a glue used for vynal flooring.

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   florida | Apr 23, 2008 04:24am | #4

   Twice I've seen large(100K) square foot stores stripped with diesel fuel or kerosene. Both times they had to have a firetruck in the parking lot on standby and they had to do it in small sections but it sure went fast and it took up all the glue.

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   Alpine | Apr 25, 2008 01:32am | #18

   We do this all the time with a rotary fitted with a special plate that has carbide teeth on springs.  The plate is made just for this purpose and costs about $700 or so.

   Wet down the floor and go to town.  Make sure you wear old boots though, it leaves  the floor with sticky shavings that shovel up.  We are stripping old carpet backing and glue to install vct.

   Jeff

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   Jim_Allen | Apr 25, 2008 01:44am | #19

   Aha! I knew someone that actually does this sort of thing might chirp in. The last time I did it, I scraped by hand with the tool that Dino showed. I have that tool in the garage right now and would like to leave it there. I have seen others use some sort of power tool but I don't know the name. I'm thinking it worked like a giant Fein Multi-Master. Your tool obviously has been specially designed for this task but they probably don't exist except in your truck! Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   alrightythen | Apr 25, 2008 02:20am | #20

   cool...do you have link to this tool, or a picture? Not that I need one or anything.   View Image                                          View Image    

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   Alpine | Apr 25, 2008 04:46am | #22

   I think we have to do another one on Monday, I'll try to get some pics

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   Robrehm | Apr 25, 2008 04:48am | #23

   Where did you get this plate?

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   Alpine | Apr 25, 2008 04:55am | #24

   We actually borrow it from my flooring sub.  We aren't really into flooring too much, but we do these as part of a larger remodel.  I have been researching though, he bought his from a store in town that sells commercial buffers, polishers, sanders etc. I also found some online googling "floor stripper".

   I'd post links, but I'm not good at it.  I've been on this site forever and never posted before tonight

   Jeff

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   Jim_Allen | Apr 25, 2008 05:01am | #25

   That was my next stop: a company that specializes in flooring buffing and cleaning...after a stop to the carpet supply store. Jeff is right....I should just talk to them but I now have some alternate ideas if they are saying the right thing to me. Here in Austin, I'm just as likely to get very bad information as I am to get good info when I talk to the "experts". Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   Robrehm | Apr 25, 2008 05:21am | #26

   http://www.palmerdistributing.com/index.html

   Check out this link. I just bought the senior stripper on ebay & it takes up ceramic wihtout a whole lot of effort. that includes mortaar on the concrete. I havne't tried it on carpet but I'm looking for one of those plates.

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   Jim_Allen | Apr 25, 2008 05:38am | #27

   That looks like the machine of my dreams Rob! I'm scared to ask how much. I'll try to locate one that is available for rent. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   Robrehm | Apr 25, 2008 05:51am | #28

   i've been paying 65.0 a day to rent one from slowes or depot. There is a similar one on ebay right now. As I was looking for the plates ( found them $550.00 each) I found power carpet pullers. $3400.00 new only one I see on ebay is starting bid of 1000.00. IF you are going to rent something to pull carpet I would look for the power puller.

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   Jim_Allen | Apr 26, 2008 04:55am | #29

   65 per day looks like the best deal for me. I'm not into owning tools or equipment anymore. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   mrfixitusa | Apr 26, 2008 05:09am | #30

   If you guys keep talking about strippers you're going to get moved over to the Tavern

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   IMERC | Apr 23, 2008 04:28am | #5

   power scraper and then clean the residue up with paint thinner...

    

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!! What a Ride!
   Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   Jim_Allen | Apr 23, 2008 05:14am | #6

   I'm voting for your solution so far. I don't like the idea of paint thinner though. Maybe a floor grinder after the power scraper?How clean does it need to be for new carpet? Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   IMERC | Apr 23, 2008 05:26am | #7

   not very clean....

   and you don't need to flood the floor.. just "paint" on some oderless in the worst spots and hit it with a floor scraper..

   thinner works pretty quick without having to use too much...

   if you use a power grinder... use one with a hood and vac....

   but...........

   man will it load up... even if you use a knotted brush and the remenants of the glue and pad are gonna get flung everywhere for a long ways away...

   you'll find clumps of the stuff stuck to the ceiling.... let alone the walls and anybody in the region....

   and it will be hot when it sticks to somebody's arm, face or eye.. 

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming<!----><!----><!---->

   WOW!!! What a Ride!Forget the primal scream, just ROAR!!!

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   JeffBuck | Apr 23, 2008 05:26am | #8

   "How clean does it need to be for new carpet?"

    

   I gotta resort to my "granite guy" solution here ...

   ask the carpet sub.

   Jeff    Buck Construction

    Artistry In Carpentry

        Pittsburgh Pa

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   Jim_Allen | Apr 23, 2008 05:52am | #10

   I'm just hoping a "carpet guy" might be lurking here and offer some real world advice. All too often, when you call a carpet company and ask a stupid question like I'm asking, they answer with the pat answer "the manufacturer requires blah, blah blah and every speck of black backing must be removed down to microscopic levels." They basically cover their butt. Thats what I'd do if I was on the other end of the phone. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   Robrehm | Apr 23, 2008 05:36am | #9

   A power skid jack & unit strut. The hardest part is getting it started. Some one has to use a scraper to create a pocket big enough to get the power jack in there. once it's in hit the button & it pulls it up. Drop it, put the unistrut across the forks & lift again. MOve the jack & repeat. You may have to block the wheels when you move it but it works pretty well. Get an electric power  flooring stripper  ( I bought a plamer  on ebay for 140.00 last week)  to remove glue if it's still an issue.

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   Jim_Allen | Apr 23, 2008 05:54am | #11

   I don't know if your kidding or serious. I don't know what a power skid is and I don't know what a unit strut is. I do remember scraping a couple thousand feet of that stuff by hand and I'm trying to avoid it. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   Robrehm | Apr 23, 2008 06:12am | #12

   power skid jack or pallet lift.  Unistrut is the square u shaped steel you see in the steel bar joists that hoods, lighting & other things hang from. I'm serious about doing this. welcome to the world of commercial construction.

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   Dinosaur | Apr 23, 2008 07:10am | #13

   Jim--

   You cut the carpet into 1-foot-wide strips first, then pull each strip up by hand. There's a lot of glue-down carpet over plywood in the older, cheaper cottages up here, and this is the standard way of getting it up.

   As for the glue residue, you scrape it off. I've never heard of anyone trying to use solvent on it. A. Richard Tools makes an industrial floor scraper with a 60" handle designed for this kind of work.

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   Dinosaur

   How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not brought
   low by this? For thine evil pales before that which
   foolish men call Justice....
   

   

   
   

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   MSLiechty | Apr 23, 2008 09:23pm | #14

   Thats a double stick carpet. Have laid lots of it. You will need to use a razer scrapper. It's a job and bits of foam will be everywhere.ML

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   Dinosaur | Apr 24, 2008 04:23am | #15

   Don't know what you mean by a double stick carpet; that technique is not for carpet tiles with a PS adhesive backing if that's what you're thinking.  I'm talking about all sorts of carpet from indoor-outdoor with an integral foam backing (and yes, when you pull that there is foam left to scrape off) to commercial-grade. The glue is a sort of one-coat contact cement. The guys put it on with a paint roller. The only way I know to get it up is to cut it into narrow strips and pull.

   Dinosaur

   How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....

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   MSLiechty | Apr 24, 2008 05:30pm | #16

   Dinosaur are you speaking of removing teh carpet? or the adhesive. If it's the carpet. Get in there with pliers and start pulling. 6" wide strips is about the widest you can pull at once. Once the carpet is up is there a reason why the adhesive needs to be removed?ML

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   Dinosaur | Apr 25, 2008 12:29am | #17

   I don't know. Ask Jim Allen; it was his question that started this thread.

   Dinosaur

   How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....

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   Jim_Allen | Apr 25, 2008 04:25am | #21

   Thanks. I will try water when'if the situation arises.

   Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   qtsam2 | Apr 26, 2008 05:37am | #31

   as stated before 1 ft strips , they make a tool thats basically an adjustable pole that

    holds a blade and they make a special carpet clamp that is real handy

   but i can't think of the manufacturer or name of either right now. then there is a

   tool that is called a scarifier that is basically a buffer with a  disk of razor blades. i

   am assuming that this glue down on concrete. i will try to find the links.

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   qtsam2 | Apr 26, 2008 05:52am | #32

   found it! http://www.aramsco.com 

   http://www.aramsco.com/eserv/eclipse.ecl?PROCID=WEBDISP.WOEB.MAIN&ID~1=122&ID~2=11218&ID~3=122180201&ID~4=1221821&CLEV=4&TRACKNO=J8724418561

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   Jim_Allen | Apr 26, 2008 02:37pm | #33

   Nice link. Thanks. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07

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   stevent1 | Apr 26, 2008 02:46pm | #34

   If the carpet has not been down for many years, chances are it could be latexadhesive. I have seen carpets pulled in hospitals just using water.

   Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood

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   qtsam2 | Apr 27, 2008 02:46am | #35

   not a problem. i used to work for a company that specialized in this stuff. i just wish

   i could find the name of that tool that was used for cutting the carpet, it was the

   handiest tool ever. i'll keep trying to rember.    

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   qtsam2 | Apr 27, 2008 02:55am | #36

   ok found the last nugget of info. the tool is called "jus-push" by Crain. at the bottom

   of this link there is also the other tool i was talking about., the carpet gripper.

   http://www.tools4flooring.com/crain-265-juspush-cutter-p-86.html

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   Waters | Apr 27, 2008 03:00am | #37

   I ran across some type of bizarre soy-based stripper, emulsifier, when I was looking for ways to get asphalt/linoleum tiles off a wood floor once.

   I think it was these guys:

   Bi-O-Kleen Industries, Inc. (contact info)

   P.O. Box 820689
   Vancouver, WA 98682
   Phone: 800-477-0188
   Fax: 360-576-0065
   http://www.bi-o-kleen.com
   [email protected]

   It might only be asphalt specific products they have, but it's worth a look.

   Pat

   "Research is what I'm doing when I don't know what I'm doing..."

    

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   Jim_Allen | Apr 27, 2008 03:28am | #38

   Thanks guys: I've bookmarked both pages. Bob's next test date: 12/10/07