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   IMERC | Mar 19, 2005 08:54am | #1

   UMMMMMMMMMMMMMM... REZ..........

   got some bad news fer ya dude...

   Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming

   WOW!!!   What a Ride!

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   Mooney | Mar 19, 2005 01:51pm | #2

   Theres not a lot worse than smelling oil primer and having to stay with it unvented.

   It will be gone when you top coat it with latex.

   To answer your question, it wont kill ya but itll worm ya.

   be worm free

    

    

   compliments to Jocobe

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   Piffin | Mar 19, 2005 01:59pm | #3

   Not as much damage as drinking that rum will do.

   but it might make youstart mis-speling words on your keyboard later on in life

    

    

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   DanT | Mar 19, 2005 03:20pm | #4

   We use Kilz a lot and now use a full body breathing suit with an air pump.  We didn't at first but then heard about a couple in rural Wisconsin.  A farm couple apparently decided to repaint their living room which had a few layers of wall paper on it.  The last being a gray blue color with milk pitcher pictures on it.

   After stripping the paper off they noticed the plaster had never had paint on it so they went to town to talk with their friend and neighbor Clem who owned the local hardware store and a man they trusted in these matters as he was the one who helped them with the paint issues when they restored Johns (husband not toilet) dads John Deere B Model the year before which looks really nice even though they painted it with a brush.   He said they should first paint the surface with Kilz then use 2 coats of the best Ace Hardware latex paint in a color of their choice.

   They took the products home and even though it was raining and cool they worked diligently to accomplish the task so they would have it done prior to spring planting. They noticed the odors with the house closed and all but were too excited about the change in their home to worry.  All went well and they were quite pleased with the results and the look of the living room and agreed to try the dining room in the fall as Sherrif (wife not the local law enforcement) really liked the brighter room the peach color produced.

   Shortly there after Sherrif found out she was expecting which was quite a surprise as they had been trying to have children for their entire marriage with no success, which John attributed incorrectly to Sherrifs insistance on the missionary postition, but to further the surprise she was expecting triplets.  It appears as though Kilz has a chemical that emits a vapor that when inhaled by men releases an enzyme that make men not only very fertile but produces and anomaly where the sperm cells not only are drawn to the eggs but actually search them out to create seperate births at the same time. 

   This produces a situation as occured with the above couple where although she had triplets they are not identical but completely seperate children.  The two girls look very similar to their mother with a few hints of their fathers features while the boy has asian qualities to his appearance which doctors attribute to the fact that John smoked, but never inhaled, asian hash while serving a tour in Viet Nam.  So as you can see should you not use protection you may pay for you past sins........DanT

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   zendo | Mar 19, 2005 04:47pm | #6

   Dan you are a great writer.

   I was quite towed in.

   -zen

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   Mooney | Mar 19, 2005 09:44pm | #15

   Classic , just classic!

   Now you guys tell me this information and stories after 35 years in the field? Great , just great .

   I dont have any kids and DW has been wanting to blame several things on me ! <G>

    

    

    

    

    Timothy

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   Piffin | Mar 19, 2005 10:08pm | #16

   If it was kids you were after, you should have been planting your seeds in bed, not out in the field all those years 

    

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   Mooney | Mar 19, 2005 10:17pm | #18

   If it was kids you were after, you should have been planting your seeds in bed, not out in the field all those years

    

   Thats why she has issues ! Well , Ill be darn.

   I wasnt really after them , but exposure should have produced one somewhere.

    

    

    

    

    Timothy

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   hammer1 | Mar 19, 2005 04:44pm | #5

   The mineral spirits and aliphatic vapors can cause irritation of the respiratory system and acute nervous system depression. The effects can follow a progression, headache, dizziness, staggering, confusion, unconsciousness, coma. Prolonged exposure can cause permanent brain and or nervous system damage. You should open the windows somewhere around the staggering part if not before. Some of my painter friends kids were born with birth defects. He thinks it was due to his long term exposure to industrial coatings. Hard to say for sure since he is usually staggering from other substances.

   Beat it to fit / Paint it to match

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   Fonzie | Mar 19, 2005 05:16pm | #7

   And I think it makes your pei twinkle. I think it brings on the community respratory disease - primes it in to the old pipes.

   We need more comfortable and fasionable breathing apparati. There's an open market - almost comparable to good, well written directions.

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   Sancho | Mar 19, 2005 05:32pm | #8

   Now you got to use some paint since your lungs are primed ..now there ready for paint.......but make sure the primer had a suffiecient time to set up... 

    

   Buck Construction 

      Artistry in Carpentry

           Pgh, PA

    

          

    

    

    

    

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   zendo | Mar 19, 2005 06:22pm | #9

   For a direct answer to your question, I think 24- 48 hrs of the first wave.  Drink a lot of water. 

   Oil solvents cause central nervous system damage.  While they are on there way across the blood brain barrier to knock out thousands of brain cells, they have to go through your circulatory system.  Obviously you inhaled the chems, so they go directly through your lungs into your blood stream.  Once in the blood they are filtered through your liver, and probably some in your kidneys.  Then to your brain. 

   So you do damage all along the way.  This is a toxicity issue.  Toxicity is measured with a number, and is cumulative.  Even though your body expels a lot of the chemicals, your toxicity level rises.  It is cumulative between chems, and over time.  So the chems that you messed with years ago add to what you do now, probably more having to do with heavy metals. 

   Smoking adds to the amount of absorption, because it acts like a vehicle passing through the filters in our systems.  A lot like if you use a solvent to wash product off your skin, rather than removing it, it penetrates the skin and starts the process to your liver.

   So its best to try to minimize the chemicals we are exposed to to try to keep the toxicity level down.  Wearing your respirator, and gloves are the smart answer.  As for comfort, you get used to them if you are religious about it. 

   Try to use soap and hand cleaners that dont have petrol in them.  I think pumice cream stuff is great.  I use fast orange, and if I even think the dust is a bit high, I throw my mask on.

   Dont be fooled in thinking that water based is safe.  Read the labels.  Most water based products have formaldehyde among others, and water poly destroys your reproductive system, so you have to choose your poisons.

   In addition, safety glasses help as well.  I dont know if anyone thinks about it often, but little sprays in your eye is just as bad as licking your brush.

   Oh thats the short version. 

   -zen

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   zendo | Mar 19, 2005 06:28pm | #10

   Oh and all the tissue that has been damaged along the way also has to heal.  So from the irritation in your nose, all the way to the end of your guilty pet monkey, your body needs to repair.  The amount of time would vary for everyone, but you should feel a lot better in a few days.  Except the brain cells dont grow back.

   And its probably not a cold you are getting, its the irritated tissue in your nose, and throat, and your nose is running to help the healing.

   Think about if you did this to yourself everyday for years... your body can never catch up.

   -zen

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   rez | Mar 19, 2005 07:08pm | #11

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   I am not going to do anything stupid this yearI am not going to do anything stupid this yearI am not going to do anything stupid this year...

   Edited 3/19/2005 12:11 pm ET by the razzman

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   BillHartmann | Mar 19, 2005 07:31pm | #12

   It is mostly MS and Naptha."EFFECTS OF OVEREXPOSURE: Inhalation: Irritation of the respiratory tract or acute nervous system depression characterized by the following
   progressive steps; headache, dizziness, staggering gait, confusion, unconsciousness, or coma."If you are unconsciousness or in a coma lets know and we will send help <G>.I figure that the staggering gait and confusion is "normal".

   Edited 3/19/2005 12:32 pm ET by Bill Hartmann

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   rez | Mar 19, 2005 08:47pm | #13

   Glad I had stopped before the onslaught of headache or dizziness but did notice a certain late night lack in that I neglected my safety check and ended up driving home with the tailgate down.

   That and a slight but peculiar chemical taste and odor.

   Maybe the hosenairs daved the say.

   a be hosenair

    

   Let the beauty of what you love be what you do. ~ Drink Rum

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   Sphere | Mar 19, 2005 09:29pm | #14

   Too strange about the tailgate...

   The very first time I used that same stuff in a small room with no vent....

   I drove my truck home with the caps side toolbox open!!!  It was the fastener side not the tools side..luckily. Musta dripped screws and nails for miles. 

   Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

   "Sell your cleverness, Purchase Bewilderment"...Rumi

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   DanH | Mar 19, 2005 10:13pm | #17

   So that's what caused my flat!

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   BillHartmann | Mar 19, 2005 10:20pm | #20

   About I year are so ago I remember a new report of a load of fastners being spilled along I-65.And here I blamed Gunner.

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   Sphere | Mar 20, 2005 01:14am | #25

   Naw, not me on that one...this was in Pa about 1989..

   A few weeks ago, I heard a traffic report of a box of roofing nails on I75...sure enough in my direction of travel (S bound) and cars all pulled over with flats. I made it through unscathed. They had most of em swept up by the time I got there. 

   Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

   "Sell your cleverness, Purchase Bewilderment"...Rumi

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   Gunner | Mar 20, 2005 01:19am | #27

   Oh great so I'm back to gettting blamed. 

                             Who dares wins.

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   Gunner | Mar 20, 2005 12:08am | #23

   Urine will fix it. 

                             Who dares wins.

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    Sancho | Mar 20, 2005 01:13am | #24

    Well the fumes will kill brain cells. They cannot be replaced

    Thats why I take care of the one working brian cell I have left..

    But so does beer kill brian cells...

    so ya might as well get drunk while ya paint... 

     

    Buck Construction 

       Artistry in Carpentry

            Pgh, PA

     

           

     

     

     

     

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    Gunner | Mar 20, 2005 01:18am | #26

    Urine will regrow brain cells. 

                              Who dares wins.

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    Sancho | Mar 20, 2005 02:39am | #28

    kewl the next time ya get out to calif..come over and pee in my ear.....

    I can use a few extra brain cells..at least working ones...:>) 

     

    Buck Construction 

       Artistry in Carpentry

            Pgh, PA

     

           

     

     

     

     

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   DanH | Mar 19, 2005 10:18pm | #19

   Seriously, short-term exposure to solvents of that sort is unlikely to cause any permanent harm.  You may get a tad tipsy, of course, and have headaches, etc.

   What you want to do, though, is try to minimize overall exposure to such things over the long term.  Eg, working in an office near a body shop paint booth could be much more dangerous, even though you might not even smell the solvents.  Long-term exposure can damage liver, nerves, brain, and even cause muscle injury, depending on your genetic makeup.

   So don't worry about this particular case, but try to think about it beforehand next time, and arrange better ventillation.

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   rez | Mar 19, 2005 10:35pm | #21

   Thanks Dad...er..I mean Dan.

   I wonder if Milkbones make a Budweiser brand?

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   Jen | Mar 19, 2005 11:54pm | #22

   I have a non-medical answer for ya:

    A year ago I purchased an old house, removed the oil burning furnace and storage tank and replaced with gas. All the rooms needed a good primer to seal in the oil residue that I couldn't remove by washing the walls before I did my finish color. I used....probably 13 gallons of it over the course of two months. I tried, as well as I could, to keep all the rooms well ventilated.  I did two bedrooms, a kitchen, bathroom, hallway, living room, foyer, and sun room. I probably used about 10 gallons of oil based Kilz - the white five gallon bucket with red letters - on all of those rooms over the course of a month. It was warm enough that ventilation wasn't a problem so I didn't seem to have any problems except when in the closets.  School was really picking up so I had to stop painting, leaving a back hallway and a dining room to be finished at some point in the future.

   Four months later, in December, I finally got around to the hallway and dining room. Throwing open tons of windows in the middle of winter in Wisconsin isn't really an option....but I did the best I could to get some cross ventilation going on and bundled myself up.  I quickly realized that I could really only accomplish a small percentage of priming compared to what I could do in late summer before feeling dizziness which eventually led to headaches and if I kept going, I'd eventually feel a little nauseous.

   The good news is it took relatively little time for those effects to go away when I removed myself from the environment (meaning away from the house). I don't know what it did to me long term. I'll let ya know if I have three kids all at once - but according to DanT I have nothing to worry about as it only effects sperm....haha.