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1. 
   Sphere | May 11, 2009 02:18am | #1

   Sure ya can.

   But tell me you are plugging after screwing. If not, I'd bring out the Hack and cough comments.

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   JMadson | May 11, 2009 02:31am | #2

   Yes, I still have to buy the oak plugs. But thats' not in the equation here. 

    

2. 
   Ted W. | May 14, 2009 09:33am | #13

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   JHOLE | May 14, 2009 10:47am | #14

   http://www.kregtool.com/products/spp/product.php?PRODUCT_ID=70Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

2. 
   Dinosaur | May 11, 2009 03:54am | #3

    Simple 1/4" panel inserts. No edge routing required

   What are ya gonna insert the panels in? Heh, heh....

    

    

    

   Let's analyse this job:

   • Thickness-plane rail and stile stock (10 planks X 2 sides = 20 operations)
   • Joint rail and stile stock (20 pieces X one edge each= 20 operations)
   • Rip rail and stiles to width (20 pieces X 2 widths = 40 operations)
   • Layout and measure rails and stiles (20 pieces x 1 measure each = 20 operations)
   • Cut stiles and rails to length (20 pieces x 2 end cuts each = 40 cuts)
   • Cut panels to size (5 panels x 2 cuts each = 10 cuts)
   • Rout inner edge of rails and stiles with a blind stop on both ends of each piece (20 pieces X 2 stops each + 1 router cut each = 60 operations)
   • Build a glue-up table adjustable for three different sizes (minimum 20 operations)
   • Pre-drill for pocket-screws five doors with four joints in each (20 joints X 2 screws each joint = 40 holes)
   • Apply glue to 20 joints (20 operations)
   • Assemble 5 doors (4 joints X 5 doors X 2 screws per joint = 40 screws to drive)

   That's a grand total of 330 operations to accomplish inside 120 minutes.

   I wouldn't wanna try that unless I was in a fully-set-up factory environment with a panel saw; computer-controlled auto-feed router table; automated twin-head drilling jigs; auto-feed/auto-stop chop saw; vaccuum assembly table; 24" belt sander; yadda-yadda....

   Dinosaur

   How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not brought
   low by this? For thine evil pales before that which
   foolish men call Justice....
   

   

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   stevent1 | May 11, 2009 05:05am | #4

   Amen

    

   Chuck Slive, work, build, ...better with wood

2. 
   Hudson Valley Carpenter | May 14, 2009 07:23pm | #15

   That's a grand total of 330 operations to accomplish inside 120 minutes.

   Hehehe.  Even a stoned optimist would know this job could only be done by several robots in two hours.  Me, I'd still be finishing my second cup o' java and figuring out the cut list after an hour so I'd be toast in this race.

   To the OP: I have the newer Kreg Jig with plenty of clamps, etc.  I'd still figure a minimum of a half day, even with the cut list in hand, materials ready and the shop clear of other projects.

   Of course a one man specialty operation could probably do it in two hours but that's not what we're talking about...or is it? 

    

    

   Edited 5/14/2009 12:30 pm by Hudson Valley Carpenter

1. 
   Sphere | May 14, 2009 08:04pm | #16

   It can be done. I have done similar.

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2. 
   Dinosaur | May 15, 2009 06:19am | #17

   Didja notice the OP hasn't been back to read his messages since May 11? I figure he's still workin' at it and will be along when he's done....

   Dinosaur

   How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....

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   Hudson Valley Carpenter | May 15, 2009 07:42am | #18

   His optimism got side tracked by reality.  Happens to me all the time.

2. 
   JMadson | May 15, 2009 08:01am | #19

   I'm still here. Don't talk about me behind my back.

   Yes, I've been sidetracked. I still think it could be done, but it will probably take me another 2 hours to finish. I've got the rails and stiles cut and routed in 2 hrs. Now just Kreg it up and see how they look.  

    

3. 
   alwaysoverbudget | May 11, 2009 06:08am | #5

   Dinosaur  nailed it,look at the steps it takes to build these 5 doors.

   i would guess 6-10 hrs for 5.

   i just built 27 of these just like these ,didn't keep exact track but close to 1 hour a door was pretty close.

   how come your paocket  screwing these together? your rail and stiles should go together with a tounge and groove then glued and pin nailed?

   heres a utube  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FR0BiP96Po

   YOU ONLY NEED TWO TOOLS IN LIFE - WD-40 AND DUCT TAPE. IF IT DOESN'T
   MOVE AND SHOULD, USE THE WD-40. IF IT SHOULDN'T MOVE AND DOES, USE THE
   DUCT TAPE.

   
   

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   Edited 5/10/2009 11:09 pm by alwaysoverbudget

4. 
   WHILEWEREATIT | May 11, 2009 07:25am | #6

   Absolutely!
   5 pcs. 8' stock(2 rails & 2 stilles each)
   Joint one face each= 5 min.
   joint one edge= 5 min
   rip to width= 5 min
   plane opposite face= 5 min
   joint sawn edge= 5 min
   crosscut panel to height=5 min
   rip panels to width=5 min
   plough dado in edges=5 min
   cut rail and stiles to length=5 min
   cut tenons on shaper or router table=5 min
   glue up doors=20 min
   machine setup allowance=30 min
   clean shop=20 min
   total time invested= 120 min
   If this seems hurried, sit and look at a clock for 5 minutes.

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   KenHill3 | May 11, 2009 07:53am | #7

   Your estimate may have a foot in reality as long as all tools and stuff are set up properly/conveniently before the clock starts running.

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   Dinosaur | May 11, 2009 07:59am | #8

   I think the only foot he's got in reality there is the one attached to the leg he was pulling....

   Dinosaur

   How now, Mighty Sauron, that thou art not broughtlow by this? For thine evil pales before that whichfoolish men call Justice....

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   WHILEWEREATIT | May 11, 2009 08:41am | #10

   I admit I have a fairly well organized shop, and the 20 min. clean up time insures that the shop is ready for the next job. I was even being generous with the set up and clean up times. We would build these simple doors anytime for our shop rate X 2 hrs. + material and make a good profit and turn out a good product. If we were talking about cope & stick with raised panels, then you could double that time. Most of the kitchens we build have 30+ doors, with the time allowance thats been stated by others, I would have 1 man week in just door construction! I don't believe I would sell many packages based on that cost.Once we have set up for a operation, it takes very little more time to make multiples. It's really just a matter of planning.

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   Ted W. | May 11, 2009 08:12am | #9

   I wouldn't attempt it in 2 hours. That's a 6 hour job.

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   WHILEWEREATIT | May 11, 2009 08:52am | #11

   Ted, how much time would you allow for building a 36" sink base cabinet ? That's to include carcass, face frame, two doors, dead-front and hardware. Please describe your method (dado, pocket screws, mortise & tenon, etc. How about a 2' base with drawer?

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   Ted W. | May 14, 2009 09:32am | #12

   Off the top of my head? A day and a half. I'm set up for mortise/tennon so that's the process I would use. Raised panel doors, face mounted with european hinges.

   This is setting up for one cabinet. Several cabinets would average a day, give or take a little.~ Ted W ~

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