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   jimblodgett | Mar 15, 2003 05:58pm | #1

   I have an old Stanley hinge mortising jig that I love David.  I don't know if they sell them anymore, but I know Bosch and Porter Cable still do.  Tool Crib, or any commercial woodworking tool supplier should have them.

   For 8 doors, it might pay to build a 1/2" plywood template, but if you think you'll be prehanging doors again, I'd recommend biting the bullet and spending the $250.00 for a three hinge jig.  They are idiot proof and you'll be able to pass it on to some young guy coming up as you retire - that's how I got mine.
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   m2akita | Mar 16, 2003 12:25am | #2

   Might want to check ebay.  Ive seen them there for about 1/2 of what they go for new.  Ive used/use a Porter Cable setup.  Havent tried anything else so cant compare.  Dont really use it enough to say what I do or dont like about it ( have to refigure how to set it up again when I do use it).  They are nice to have though.

   -M2akita 

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   Shep | Mar 16, 2003 03:12am | #3

   David-- Have you considered using Soss hidden hinges? I've used them on a couple of jobs, and while they're a little fussy to install [ you really need to make a jig ] they eliminate the barrell problem. Plus, they just look cool! Woodworker's Supply [www.woodworker.com] carries them. They're not cheap and you might need more than three per door, but they work . Good luck!                              

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   DavidxDoud | Mar 16, 2003 11:00pm | #13

   Thanks Shep,  - - this owner has definate vision on how he wants it - 3 brass hinges per door - (he's made all the calls so far and hasn't made an error,  except for involving the original builder) - I will check them out for reference tho,  and keep in mind for future - -

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   Snort | Mar 16, 2003 11:18pm | #14

   Hey David, can't you get overnight shipping up there?

   http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000224KW/qid=1047848123/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1_etk-tools/103-1041249-5806256?v=glance&s=hi&n=228013

   I couldn't get into Seven Corners site, but you might try them, too

   Good luck EliphIno!

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   bkhy | Mar 16, 2003 04:27am | #4

   lawrence makes long leaf hinges, i thought all manufactures did--

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   DavidxDoud | Mar 16, 2003 10:55pm | #12

   i thought all manufactures did--

   Well,  you would think so,  but this is the hardest part of the job so far - locally, (in the sticks) everyone opens up their 'National'  catalog and nothing - did a google on 'Lawrence' and their website is not intereactive and the suppliers do not list any long leafs in their online catalogs - will give a couple a call tomorrow - thanks,  DOUD

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   bkhy | Mar 17, 2003 04:51am | #21

   i dont know where  you are --you could try gardner hardware in minneapolis--i have gotten similar hinges from them 612-333-3393

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   brianspages | Mar 16, 2003 09:33am | #5

   Here's a link to an eBay auction for the MOABJs ("mother of all boring jigs").  Don't delay, because the auction ends tomorrow at around 11:30 PST.  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2514734118&category=26197

   If your not a member, here's a link to an online seller: http://www.kwiklocks.com/kwiklocks/k-installation_tools.html

   You can do your own search for the best price: (kwikset jig 138).  You will never regret the day you obtain one of these.

   The hinge mortissing jigs are not currently available on eBay.  I have purchaced 2 (Stanley) there for under $50 ea.  in the past.

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   DavidxDoud | Mar 16, 2003 10:36pm | #9

   thanks brian - I watched the auction go - reserve was not met @$177.50 - new from QLs is $229 - think I'll order a new one tomorrow - this job will pay for it -

   I'll keep searching ebay for the stanley jig,  altho it'll be too late for this job - I've dealt there for 3 years or so - do you have a suggestion for search words?  'Stanley' turns up 5000+ hits - 'Stanley tool' gets a managable number but may miss some -

   best regards,  DOUD

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   UncleDunc | Mar 16, 2003 11:24pm | #15

   >> The hinge mortissing jigs are not currently available on eBay.

   You mean like these?

   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2312244367&category=11704

   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2514837365&category=26198

   The search string I used was

   stanley (butt,hinge)

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   JeffBuck | Mar 17, 2003 02:07am | #16

   for a quick cheap to free site jig....

   I just clamp a short 2x..usually about 18"..to each side of the door. Tap it till it's level with the door across the top......

   and just free hand the router up to the cut line. Then get the corners square with a chisel. Works great...fast..and as accurate as you and your router are.

   JeffBuck Construction   Pittsburgh,PA

    Fine Carpentery.....While U Waite                  

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   brianspages | Mar 17, 2003 07:13am | #23

   fair enough.  i was doing quick and simple searches.  what's true about finding good prices for these jigs on eBay is to spell template as "templet"  and use "butt" in place of hinge.  people like myself who search as "hinge template" will never find these auctions, which was a good thing in this thread...

   the first one you passed on is not the type of jig that i was recommending.  The second one is the older model (in and of itself very adequate), but notice that it's missing the little swing arm to set against the top of the door and header jamb. that's the other caveat about buying on eBay.  Examine the photo.  Well.  Very well...

   brian

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   UncleDunc | Mar 17, 2003 08:37am | #24

   Just be glad there are no Beanie Babies named Stanley or Hinge. Searching for some kinds of products on eBay is a nightmare.

   Edited 3/17/2003 2:03:04 AM ET by Uncle Dunc

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   TrimButcher | Mar 16, 2003 04:18pm | #6

   Lee Valley sells a 3-hinge template for routing hinges.  I suspect not as robust as others mentioned in this thread, but a lot cheaper.  American made, if that spins your crank.

   http://www.leevalley.com

   Regards,

   Tim

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   Snort | Mar 16, 2003 07:36pm | #7

   I like the Bosch the best of the commercial jigs, especially for new work. The PorterCable is more cumbersome, but works. I've also used a plastic thing made by Carey...POS.

   I've been using a homemade rig since my Bosch got legs, it's great for replacement work. EliphIno!

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   joeh | Mar 16, 2003 08:56pm | #8

   Old B&D kit for $80.

   http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2312088103&category=20593

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   DavidxDoud | Mar 16, 2003 10:48pm | #11

   thanks Joe - got 6 hours to consider - if it were the stanley I'd do it - this seller has 116 auctions ending today - gotta wonder about expidited shipping - he's batting 99%+ - - may do it - thanks again- DOUD

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   DavidxDoud | Mar 16, 2003 10:43pm | #10

   Thanks bb - P-C is the one on the shelf locally - (we are in the sticks,  and serious tool shopping is hours away or catalog/internet) - gotta get something on the way tomorrow - doors are here weds,  stain and hang befor the end of the week - should have master bed/bath finished this week and Dale is going to move in - so sad to see the illness sap him - nice old cuss/character - "Da-vid.....  you're do-ing a great - - job..."  etc - we lay walnut t&g tomorrow -

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   finishcarp | Mar 17, 2003 02:43am | #17

   I just finished a job like yours for a guy who won a lottery- I had the same type of doors to hang-  I just built a custom 1/2" thick jig (birch VC) by 3" by 6'8" and put the hinges exactly where the architect wanted them.  I spent about 1 hour constructing the jig for a tight fit all around and it worked flawlessly for the duration of the job.  Use the jig tight to the header when doing the jamb and give yourself the amount of relief needed when doing the door (1/8" to 3/16") by overhanging the jig on the top of the door.  By the way I have used a jig like this for many years and occasionally make a new one- it doesn't owe me a lot and if I ever touch the jig it won't ruin my router bit-  I just make a new jig. 

   The door lock jig I use is made by Weslock and it worked fine for the job but I  did sharpen the carbide insert for the 1" backset drill before starting and it cut the oak smoothly. I have had this jig for 5 years with no problems.

   Other problem is tough because the door will bind using conventional hinges.  Try a commercial supplier for 4" hinges.  The above jig can be easily changed if you go that rout (no pun intended!)

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   DavidxDoud | Mar 17, 2003 02:50am | #18

   I spent about 1 hour constructing the jig for a tight fit all around

   could you expand on how you held the jig to the door and to the Jamb? -- seems almost too simple -

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   finishcarp | Mar 17, 2003 03:00am | #19

   Just used 3   11/2" pins from my nail gun- it doesn't go anywhere especially in the oak jamb BUT you need to take care getting the jig OFF the jamb and door ( I used side cutters to pull the nails through the jig..

   Hope this helps

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   GJR | Mar 17, 2003 03:07am | #20

   Making home made jigs work great and do the job very well.  I did that for years, but recently I invested in the Bosch Door and Jamb Hinge Templet Kit and the Templaco Deluxe Bore Master Kit.  I do a lot of doos and it was worth every penny.  "Don't take life too seriously, you are not getting out of it alive"

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   brianspages | Mar 17, 2003 07:00am | #22

   nothing like investing in the right equipment when it comes to this work, especially when you do alot of doors and doorways, don't you think Gary...