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Doors and windows count.

frenchy | Posted in General Discussion on March 19, 2009 01:56am

Just curious about the average  number of doors and windows in houses.  Would you count them in your house and other houses you may know about?    

 I define windows as something to look outside from not those on kitchens cabinets etc..  Whole windows not just panes of glass.  and doors I define as something people enter in and out of, not doggy doors or garage doors etc..

 For the record. I have 97 windows  (I’ll be adding 3-5  more in a few weeks)  and I have 31 doors..  Probably a little on the high side but the house is 5500 sq.ft.

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  1. theslateman | Mar 19, 2009 02:00am | #1

    So you haven't got a pot to pi** in but a hundred windows to throw it out of !!! <G>

  2. DanH | Mar 19, 2009 02:02am | #2

    12 windows and 3 exterior doors in a hair under 2000 sq ft. Of course, one of those windows is 3 mulled and one is 2 mulled.

    The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith
  3. LIVEONSAWDUST | Mar 19, 2009 02:41am | #3

    Thats a lot of windows, Glad i dont have to wash them

    I've Built houses with as few as 5 windows in a 3 bed. spec (3 in bedrms, 1 in kit., 1 double mulled in LR) 4 exterior doors (front w/sideglass, french door in DR, exit to garage, and garage service door) and 11 interior doors

    total 5 windows and 15 doors

     

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    McDesign | Mar 19, 2009 02:49am | #4

    You count.  I'll see your 5500, an' rise you 200.

    View Image

    Forrest



    Edited 3/18/2009 7:49 pm ET by McDesign

    1. tom21769 | Mar 19, 2009 05:52pm | #24

      McDesign,  I'm curious. What makes one room a "summer parlor" and another a "winter parlor"?  Is one on the south side and the other on the north? 

      I'm imagining these rooms are really, really big, and the whole family does a nomad migration twice a year.   Shots are fired to get the dogs moving, there are cries of "Head 'em up, Move 'em out!" , and little clouds of dust go up as the seasonal trek across the foyer begins. 

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        McDesign | Mar 19, 2009 06:14pm | #26

        LOL! 

        Winter Parlor (otherwise known as the "Gentlemen's Parlor", is on the south side of the house; it's heavy and dark in its decor (wood and paint and fabrics) - where you go with your brandy and cigars in the winter.

        Summer (Ladies') is on the north (cooler) side of the house; decor is light and airy - perfect for cucumber sandwiches and eggshell-thin teacups.

        Forrest - fixin' to move back north with the brood an' the livestock

        1. frenchy | Mar 19, 2009 08:18pm | #28

          Thanks for helping out.. and please keep numbers coming..

            So far the only consitant pattern coming  seems to be location.. places with a view have far more windows than suburban homes..

           I'm going to count windows in my neighborhood this weekend and then count them in a bedroom community nearby..

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    bambam | Mar 19, 2009 03:08am | #5

    2400' 12 windows, three ext. doors and 12 int. doors. The great room is 30 x 30 with no doors and one of the ext doors is a french door into the master bdrm so one less window was needed.

    Now my (future this summer) greenhouse is another story. If you didnt live so far away I could rent some of your space to grow my tomatos.

    Due to the recent state of the economy, the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off

    1. JohnCujie | Mar 19, 2009 05:26am | #13

      2000 square feet, 2 bedroom, 2 bath21 windows, some mulled together, 11 total openings2 sliders, one entry door, one house to garage door10 interior door openings, two with double doorsJohn

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    Sphere | Mar 19, 2009 03:16am | #6

    20 windows, 5 doors at 3/0-6/8 and 1 french at 5/0-6/8.

    2400 Sqft.

    Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks

    Repairs, Remodeling, Restorations

     

    They kill Prophets, for Profits.

     

     

  7. levelone | Mar 19, 2009 03:17am | #7

    3800 sq. feet

    Exterior:  27 windows, 6 skylights, 2 sliding glass doors, 2 entry doors

    Interior: 10 lite french doors with matching side lites, 24 bedroom/closet doors

  8. ptp | Mar 19, 2009 04:11am | #8

    Eight windows, two doors. 948 square feet.

  9. pino | Mar 19, 2009 04:19am | #9

    34 windows, 3 exterior doors, 1840 sq. ft., story and a half, all single glazed, all leak like a sieve.

    Adding 120 sq ft, 7 windows, and two more exterior doors this year, if all goes well. Hoping to finally start work on making new wood windows by fall.



    Edited 3/18/2009 9:25 pm by pino

  10. sisyphus | Mar 19, 2009 04:22am | #10

    24 windows, 3 doors and 2400+/- sq. ft.

    In the  house I'm renoing its 9 windows and 2 doors and just under 1000 sq ft.



    Edited 3/18/2009 9:25 pm ET by sisyphus

    1. Snort | Mar 19, 2009 04:51am | #12

      37 windows, all but 1 are aluminum sliders, trés energy efficient, ha.4 full glass exterior doors, 11 interior 2100sq'http://www.tvwsolar.com

      I went down to the lobby

      To make a small call out.

      A pretty dancing girl was there,

      And she began to shout,

      "Go on back to see the gypsy.

      He can move you from the rear,

      Drive you from your fear,

      Bring you through the mirror.

      He did it in Las Vegas,

      And he can do it here."

  11. susiekitchen | Mar 19, 2009 04:47am | #11

    I think you have more square footage in windows and doors than I have in my entire house!!

    We have 12 windows (not counting the weensie on in the master bath), 3 exterior doors, and 6 interior doors (excluding a pantry and linen closet door).

  12. PASSIN | Mar 19, 2009 05:33am | #14

    interior doors : Pass through=3  french=2  pocket=3

    exterior doors: french=2 garage exit=2

    windows=15

    2000 sqf  2 story

    Didnt include closet doors



    Edited 3/18/2009 10:35 pm ET by PASSIN

  13. tom21769 | Mar 19, 2009 11:49am | #15

    >>For the record. I have 97 windows (I'll be adding 3-5 more in a few weeks) and I have 31 doors.. Probably a little on the high side but the house is 5500 sq.ft.

    Wow! That is a LOT of doors and windows.

    I've always thought our house had too many doors. 5 of them, 4 on the first floor and one to a porch on the second. That does not count the exterior bilco-type double door to the root cellar, or the doors on our separate garage. The house is about 2000 ft2.

    1. Hazlett | Mar 19, 2009 12:56pm | #16

      3700 sq. ft.
      37 doors
      31 windows i am counting closet doors because they are walk in closets( 2 of the bedrooms have 2 walk in closets each0approx. 6 of the ground floor windows are maybe 54x76 dual casements and maybe should be counted as 2 doors apiece? did not count storm doors---only door ways with doors
      2 interior archways could have been styled a bit different and included interior french doors---which i may do atsome point to better "zone" the heating.
      stephen

  14. andybuildz | Mar 19, 2009 01:09pm | #17

    52 windows mostly 12 over 12 and I reglazed em' all..ugh

    12 doors and most of em are dbl doors (French doors)

    5000 sq ft (way too big for two little people)

     

     

     

    http://www.cliffordrenovations.com

    http://www.ramdass.org

     

    1. Hazlett | Mar 19, 2009 01:21pm | #18

      I feel your "pane" andy--a lot of my windows have 36 panes of glass---it's a never ending process keeping them remotely ship shape Ostensibly 4 of us live here-----but really more like 2-1/2 to 5 plus people It's absurdly waaaaay to large for my wife and I--- but also way cool-- the basement alone has 5 rooms---and I had lived here for months before my wife mentioned that we had a walk in cedar closet at the end of a hallway I knew nothing about! yours is1200-1300 feet bigger than mine---- are you sure you know how many rooms you REALLY have?, LOL
      stephen

      1. andybuildz | Mar 19, 2009 01:56pm | #19

        Well if you wanna add my shop here...thats another 900 sq ft making it 6000sq ft.

        I don't even see most of the house. I never use most of the rooms. I keep the heat shut wayyyy down in most of it during the winter. Thank god I have it zoned right allowing me to do that. My wife has to put her coat on when she goes into the kitchen though...really...lol. Downstairs is unfortunatly all on one zone.

        I never built onto this house to stay here...never was my intention. I figured someone with 3-4 kids would buy this dump.

        I think it's just plain piggy for people to live in houses that are way too big for their real needs.

        House gets relisted in another month or so not that that'll do anything. NOTHING is selling around here. Hopefully it'll pick up.

         

         

         

        http://www.cliffordrenovations.com

        http://www.ramdass.org

         

        1. Hazlett | Mar 19, 2009 02:07pm | #20

          while i primarily agree with you--- i bought this place primarily for the challenge of restoring it over 20 years--and my wife was the "moving factor"--she envisioned using the place as a "Bed & Breakfast" for my sons friends----- I go to bed each night never knowing who will be staying here in the morning.- also have various extended family members who live with us on a sort of rotating basis from time to time.
          got to run
          stephen

  15. Hiker | Mar 19, 2009 02:34pm | #21

    Six recent houses

    2200 sf     38 Windows     4 doors

    3200 sf     59 windows      7 doors

    3300 sf      42  windows     7 doors

    520 sf        6 windows      3 doors

    2800 sf       22 windows     4 doors

    940sf       16 windows     2 doors

  16. Piffin | Mar 19, 2009 03:37pm | #22

    about 25 in just under 3000sf

    But that brings questions...

    Do roof windows or skylights count?

    A bay window is called a bay window but is made up of three window units. Do your rules count that as one or three?

    glad to help your ego out here

     

     

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    1. Snort | Mar 19, 2009 03:52pm | #23

      He's tryin' to get a job with the Fenestration Council... of course, it will have to be the just right position... no washing windows from a Lull<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com

      I went down to the lobby

      To make a small call out.

      A pretty dancing girl was there,

      And she began to shout,

      "Go on back to see the gypsy.

      He can move you from the rear,

      Drive you from your fear,

      Bring you through the mirror.

      He did it in Las Vegas,

      And he can do it here."

      1. Piffin | Mar 20, 2009 01:47am | #46

        I figured he was after bragging rights for having the most holes in his walls 

         

        Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

    2. frenchy | Mar 19, 2009 08:15pm | #27

      I counted mine.and yes a bay/bow  window could be 3 or 5 or whatever windows. However a double hung window is only one window. 

        It's not about ego we're trying to find out through a back door what sort of windows/doors per sq.ft. is practical and realistic.. 

       Naturally homes where View is more important have far more windows  than suburban communities where privacy and cost has a priority. 

        This all came about as a result of my brother in law's comment about energy efficency and houses.

        His is a stick built home with foamed walls and mine is SIP's On  per sq.ft. basis mine costs 33% less to heat than his and so we deteriorated to the windows and doors..

       He has a similar amount of doors  30 to my 31 but 1/2 of the windows..  (yes he has a lake front view as well).   Turns out my neighbor with stick built house and foamed walls slightly larger than mine spends $135 more per month on average than I do heating and cooling his place.  His window/door  count is 88/26. 

      1. sisyphus | Mar 19, 2009 09:30pm | #29

        I counted each openning as one window, some of the opennings have multiple units ganged together.

        Shouldn't sq ft of glazing and orientation factor into your calculations?

        1. frenchy | Mar 19, 2009 09:38pm | #30

          yes double glazed and low E also   but that gets too detailed and we're not trying for exact formula. 

            Openings is pretty subjective.. for example  I count the front view windows as three..   the main window is roughly a fixed 5'x5' while the 2 side  double hung windows  are roughly 3'x5' ( have two such openings but I counted them as six windows)

           I have twin  8 foot doors and the windows in them are roughly  7 feet high and three feet wide So I counted each door as a door and each window as a window

          1. sisyphus | Mar 21, 2009 05:24am | #56

            Would a 60" closet openning with a pair of 30" bifold doors count as two doors or four? Would an exterior openning with a main door and a storm door count as one door or two?

            Edited 3/20/2009 10:26 pm ET by sisyphus

          2. frenchy | Mar 21, 2009 05:55pm | #57

            I'm guessing the closet would be 2 doors but the entrance I count as one door..

      2. Piffin | Mar 20, 2009 01:50am | #47

        "we're trying to find out through a back door what sort of windows/doors per sq.ft. is practical and realistic.. "I see - bootstrap analysis rather than sq ft of windows to exterior wall surface ratios. 

         

        Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

        1. frenchy | Mar 20, 2009 02:15am | #48

          Yeh sorta.. the city has a complex formula it uses to calculate allowable windows to walls ,  other places have sq.ft rules etc..  there doesn't seem to be any corelation from one building district to the next..

           The doors thing is kinda an add on.   I note most people said 2 doors.. when I was trying to get a count on total number of doors (interior included). 

           It's my contention that most houses have a similar number of doors..   one  for each bedroom one for each closet, etc..

           I deliberately skipped stuff like window sizes and type of windows..

          1. Piffin | Mar 20, 2009 02:38am | #49

            I didn't count interior doors at all for you, just opennings in exterior surfaces. 

             

            Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

          2. frenchy | Mar 20, 2009 03:44pm | #54

            Yes I guess I wasn't clear on that.  I hope nobody thinks I've got 30 doors going outside  <grin>  

          3. DanH | Mar 20, 2009 07:43pm | #55

            I figured you had 30 going out and only 20 coming back.
            The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

          4. DanH | Mar 20, 2009 03:33am | #50

            Yeah, but half the guys here are only 15 years into building their own homes and haven't gotten around to the interior doors yet. There's a sheet across the bathroom door -- maybe.
            The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. -John Kenneth Galbraith

  17. frammer52 | Mar 19, 2009 06:04pm | #25

    28 windows, 3 exterior door

    2800 sq. feet

  18. MGMaxwell | Mar 19, 2009 10:08pm | #31

    Seven windows and two doors in 900 square feet.

    1. frenchy | Mar 19, 2009 10:13pm | #32

      Hmm my first house had 11 windows and three doors in a little over 900 sq.ft.  (not counting the boat house) 

         I suspect the differance was because of the lake frontage   

      1. JHOLE | Mar 19, 2009 10:29pm | #34

        Couldn't be anything as trivial as, say , floorplan or elevation huh.

        You're probably right, probably was the water.Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

      2. MGMaxwell | Mar 20, 2009 12:51am | #44

        Well maybe mine shouldn't count. I live in a trailer at a stable I bought when I got divorced. I make a comfortable living and most people in my circumstance live in houses, but I'm fixing this up and am pleasantly surprised how little space a single 59 year old guy needs. Kind of like a club house or fort when you were a kid.

        1. frenchy | Mar 20, 2009 01:13am | #45

          Why not? I lived in a 16 foot travel trailer through much of my Naval career..  thought that was plenty.. (first wife didn't) 

    2. JHOLE | Mar 19, 2009 10:20pm | #33

      I have to admit that I first thought that this was a retorical exercise in ego stroke.

      Now that I know it is an effort to advance science...

      38 / 5   3500

      I can hardly wait to see what comes out of this....

       Remodeling Contractor just on the other side of the Glass City

      1. Snort | Mar 19, 2009 10:31pm | #36

        "I can hardly wait to see what comes out of this...."like where's frenchy's train gonna wreck this time? I can totally understand all the other "information" he's shoveled if this is his idea of a scientific study... driving around counting windows is gonna be real akurit<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com

        I went down to the lobby

        To make a small call out.

        A pretty dancing girl was there,

        And she began to shout,

        "Go on back to see the gypsy.

        He can move you from the rear,

        Drive you from your fear,

        Bring you through the mirror.

        He did it in Las Vegas,

        And he can do it here."

        1. frammer52 | Mar 19, 2009 10:51pm | #37

          Keeps the unemployed happy!>G<

          1. Snort | Mar 19, 2009 10:58pm | #39

            Shut up, the Heels are playing<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com

            I went down to the lobby

            To make a small call out.

            A pretty dancing girl was there,

            And she began to shout,

            "Go on back to see the gypsy.

            He can move you from the rear,

            Drive you from your fear,

            Bring you through the mirror.

            He did it in Las Vegas,

            And he can do it here."

          2. frammer52 | Mar 19, 2009 11:05pm | #40

            sorry

          3. Snort | Mar 20, 2009 12:02am | #41

            S'ok, I was a little worried without Lawson... LSU will be tougher.http://www.tvwsolar.com

            I went down to the lobby

            To make a small call out.

            A pretty dancing girl was there,

            And she began to shout,

            "Go on back to see the gypsy.

            He can move you from the rear,

            Drive you from your fear,

            Bring you through the mirror.

            He did it in Las Vegas,

            And he can do it here."

          4. frammer52 | Mar 20, 2009 12:13am | #42

            What in Gods' name were you worried about today?

            LSU looked awfully good, not to get you nervous.

            Lawsin going to play sat?

          5. Snort | Mar 20, 2009 12:32am | #43

            They played like kids the past two games<G> Things were clicking today.The way LSU looked today, it'll be a real tough game without Lawson... we need to recruit some better docs<G>http://www.tvwsolar.com

            I went down to the lobby

            To make a small call out.

            A pretty dancing girl was there,

            And she began to shout,

            "Go on back to see the gypsy.

            He can move you from the rear,

            Drive you from your fear,

            Bring you through the mirror.

            He did it in Las Vegas,

            And he can do it here."

  19. webted | Mar 19, 2009 10:29pm | #35

    All right, I'm in:

    Existing suburban home ("territorial" views - real estate agent speak for "you can see your lawn from inside if you want") a classic dark, mid 70's rambler:

    ~1650 sf 13 windows, 3 doors

    after remodel:

    ~2500 sf 21 windows (2 are skylights), 5 doors

    I haven't broken down any of the mulled together units, and I'm considering sidelights as windows rather than doors. I'm not counting any relights or internal doors.

    Funny thing is, if I would have just taken our designers plan, the remodel would have at least 6 additional windows.

    I love the "light and airy feeling" home as much as the next guy, but if you can't cover them up, windows turn into black holes at night, sucking heat and light away from the living space. I see that a lot in places where people have "great rooms" with a massive wall of windows. It feels like you're standing in a cold field under a street light at night.

    -t

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    jonblakemore | Mar 19, 2009 10:55pm | #38

    Counting double mulled units as two, 26 windows and 361.8 SF of windows (RO size, not actual glass).

     

    Jon Blakemore

    RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA

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    Jeff_Clarke | Mar 20, 2009 05:57am | #51

    house

    bsmt - 2 windows

    1stflr - 27 windows 6 exterior doors most LowE II argon

    2ndflr - 13 windows 1 exterior door most LowE II argon

    total 42 windows 7 exterior doors on 5700 SF

    garage/workshop (heated)

    4 windows (2 LowE II argon)

    1 exterior door

    2 insulated garage doors (R-8 I think)

    tractor palace (shed, heated)

    3 windows (1930s restored with original metal weatherstripping and glazing)

    3 exterior doors

    Jeff



    Edited 3/19/2009 11:26 pm ET by Jeff_Clarke

  22. Vwright | Mar 20, 2009 06:26am | #52

    675 sq. ft. , nice views.

    23 windows

    3 doors, two that could be counted as windows.

    Most are single pane, slowly to get changed out for thermal units.

    Some of the windows are going to be replaced with larger units which will cut down on the count but sq. ft. of windows will stay the same.

    How about square footage of windows to floor space? A quick guestimate gives me 320 sq.ft. windows : 675 sq.ft. floor.

    Vern.

  23. jej | Mar 20, 2009 08:18am | #53

    664 sq.ft. 2 windows ,2ft by 3ft  one door  . 

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    CapnMac | Mar 21, 2009 08:35pm | #58

    Windows:  16; 14 3046 6/6 DH, 2 3020 3/3 DH

    Doors: 2; 1 3068 entry, 1 5068 center-hinge french

    Occupational hazard of my occupation not being around (sorry Bubba)
  25. john7g | Mar 21, 2009 09:26pm | #59

    no windows

    120ft²

    1 door (actuall it's 2 doors, one big one and one little one they slide the food through).

     

    and they let me out for 1 hour/day. 

    1. frenchy | Mar 21, 2009 09:42pm | #60

      they have computer lines in Jails? 

      1. john7g | Mar 21, 2009 10:51pm | #65

        yep, the fastest.

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      jonblakemore | Mar 21, 2009 10:20pm | #63

      How's the property taxes? 

      Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA

      1. john7g | Mar 21, 2009 10:50pm | #64

        I dunno, you fine citizens are paying for it. :)

    3. User avater
      jonblakemore | Mar 21, 2009 11:45pm | #66

      How long have you been in? 

      Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA

      1. john7g | Mar 22, 2009 01:41am | #67

        since I got married

        :)

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          Jeff_Clarke | Mar 22, 2009 07:27am | #68

          Run!

           

          Jeff

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          jonblakemore | Mar 23, 2009 06:13am | #69

          Ahh...Life sentence, huh? 

          Jon Blakemore RappahannockINC.com Fredericksburg, VA

          1. john7g | Mar 23, 2009 01:35pm | #70

            I do...

            ...sentence thee to life without parole.

            and some other muble-jumble about 'til death do us part.

            :)

  26. excaliber32 | Mar 21, 2009 09:47pm | #61

    my windows are bigger than yours.

    1. frenchy | Mar 21, 2009 09:49pm | #62

      OK

      1. sisyphus | Mar 26, 2009 05:47am | #71

        I've revised my earlier response in accordance with your explanations and have 14 windows and 15 doors and just under 1000 sq ft in the house I'm renovating. The other building has 33 windows and 26 doors and is about 2400 sq ft.

        1. dude | Mar 27, 2009 11:37am | #72

          Home: 3 exterior doors , 29 interior doors 

          13 windows  taller and wider than a person standing on the window sill ( 30" thick walls , stone )  2nd floor : 8 skylights , 7 open for air

          attached wood shed : 1 garage door with windows on top & i mandoor

          Free standing garage : 2 8 x 9 garage doors with windows at top plus a man door , 2 octagon windows in loft , 4 windows in lower part

          Shop , office , storage building : ! man door & 2 8 x 9 garage doors with windows accross top , 10 windows + 2 in loft & 4 interior doors

          i did not count windows in exterior doors which they all have

          Know i know why it has taken me so long to renovate and build on this property over the years

          Frenchy i think you have too much time on your hands and should get a job yo keep you busy instead of playing in a tower & hanging out at Knots

          Just pulling your leg ! cheers

           

           

          1. frenchy | Mar 27, 2009 03:28pm | #73

            My job right now is finding a job.. That's what I devote the majority of my time to.  Considering that unemployment is increasing not decresing and even partners in architectual firms are being laid off Things aren't going well right now..

              At the start of this year about 80% of those that I network with seeking new employment were laid off.  Since then it's increased to about 95%

              Even those not in industrial or construction industry have been getting pink notices or are under threat of them. 

          2. dude | Mar 28, 2009 03:52am | #74

            being in probally the most stable area of canada for employment its hard to feel the pain one suffers elsewhere but i have been on the other end before

            this area is totally influenced by the federal govt  of Can  and it is hiring big time these days ( where my wife works ) 

            my main job these days is renovations , lot sales in my subdivision are a side line & buying lumber  is a hobby

            Met up today with a old buddy & went to town and looked at tools & had a chinese lunch all in all a rough day at the office ( drove over 300 miles weds & thrs picking up lumber )  some other days im half bored to death ( short attention span problem )

            no work or demand for my services drives me crazy  thats why i couldent hack it when i first semiretired at 50 wintering at fla home and summers in canada

            unemployment bothers men a lot more than women i find

            if i were to win the lottery here (its tax free) i would start some new projects where i wouldent need the services of a banker ( im sitting on 32 acres accross from my current developement )  im just trierd of hassels from bankers , my current one hasent called me in the last 3 years & i like it that way

            I think the economy is going to start getting better soon in north america but their will be a lot of  new rules and adjustments for all

            i lost practically nothing in the stockmarket as i have very little invested in it and i tell the brokers to write their shares on toilet paper so i can get some use out of them when they are next to worthless and they dont seem to appreciate my humour

            try to cheer up you have lots to be proud of & many things to be thankful for this is no bs cheers

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