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Electrical Wiring – Flickering Lights

kaorisdad | Posted in Construction Techniques on March 17, 2009 05:25am

I installed a new in-wall programmable light timer switch and I noticed in the ‘off’ position, the light it was controlling would constantly flicker.  Upon checking the switch with a current tester, everything on the switch was hot – all three wires, the ground, and the metal bracket.  Did I wire this correctly?  Am I missing something or is the timer defective?  (When I wired it, I only used two wires (black and blue) per the instructions.)

I have replaced it temporarily with a single pole switch and it works fine.  Checked it with a tester and in the open (off) position, only the single wire leading in is hot, and the light is off – no flickering.  In the closed (on) position, the wire in and out are both hot and the light is on.

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    rjw | Mar 17, 2009 05:59pm | #1

    Pending someone here who knows, try the manufacturers website -more and more they carry tech info/FAQs


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    1. kaorisdad | Mar 17, 2009 06:23pm | #2

      After checking the manufacturer's website, I cannot use compact fluorescents with the timer switch.  Something about the ballast in the circuit.  I had used two CFLs.  Wierd though - everyone is using CFLs now, especially for outdoor lighting.

      1. DanH | Mar 17, 2009 08:21pm | #4

        Yeah, you cannot dim CFLs, except special "dimmable" units. Attempting to dim them will cause flaky operation and may damage the dimmer, the CFLs, or both. A fire is actually a slight possibility.
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        1. kaorisdad | Mar 17, 2009 08:57pm | #5

          This wasn't actually a dimmer - just on/off.  But the timer I purchased I guess said that it cannot be used with CFLs.

          I was just using one of those beeping testers to detect current.  But while the timer was in the off position, everything metal I touched with it gave off a beep, including the ground.

          I guess I could just switch to incandescent bulbs and test again.  I'm not so sure, that from a future safety standpoint, I like the idea of that though.  Somebody may inadvertently put CFLs in there and cause an unsafe condition.  I still don't get how they can even make or sell a product like that.

          1. DaveRicheson | Mar 17, 2009 09:35pm | #6

            was just using one of those beeping testers to detect current

            Test it with a VOM.

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            PaulBinCT | Mar 17, 2009 10:21pm | #7

            With no disrespect intended to the OP, if he's using "one of those beeping testers", I think it unlikely he will know what a VOM is ;)

            (To the OP, go to Radio Shack and purchase an inexpensive analog volt meter, as well as a simple book on using it.  If you intend to do any electrical work in your home, it's vastly more useful than any digital gizmo.  Or if you insist on gizmos, go to Home Despot or an electrical supplier and get what's called a "shakey" or solenoidal tester)PaulB

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            Dam_inspector | Mar 18, 2009 01:24am | #8

            As we say, when in doubt - VOM it.

          4. DaveRicheson | Mar 18, 2009 02:18pm | #11

            Yep!

            I've let the smoke outa enough stuff over the years to being living proff for that one.

          5. DonCanDo | Mar 18, 2009 03:54am | #10

            Was it the Intermatic EJ500C?

            If so, not only will it not work with CFL's, but it won't even work with long-life incandescent.  I had to replace several of these with the Intermatic ST01C because the instructions weren't clear that long-life bulbs aren't "standard" bulbs (at least according to Intermatic).

            And yeah, they should really discontinue the EJ500C if they actually gave a fig about their customers.

          6. kaorisdad | Mar 23, 2009 10:51pm | #12

            Yes, it was a EJ500C.  I'll replace it with the ST01C.

  2. DanH | Mar 17, 2009 08:19pm | #3

    Well, certainly the ground shouldn't be "hot", but I suspect it was the tester you were using, or the way you did the testing.

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  3. sungod | Mar 18, 2009 02:06am | #9

    CFL's will flicker with electronic switches, timers and senors. If there is more than one bulb, sometimes install adding one that is incandescent or led will stop the flickering.

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