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Depends on size of roof, type and number of connections and flashings for penetrations, time of year, weight of membrane, access to job.
I've had to pay close to a grand for a little PIA job and I've had it done for a little over 250/
Excellence is its own reward!
FWIW, just heard a quote yesterday for torch down, 3 sq, fairly simple shape, at $870, including tear off of 2 layers of rolled mineral.
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10 .... I have laid the foundation like an expert builder. Now others are building on it. But whoever is building on this foundation must be very careful.
11 For no one can lay any other foundation than the one we already have--Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:10-11
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Depending on the flashing connections, that sounds cheap to include the tar off. I did one like that about two years ago with parapet walls on three sides, two storeys up in the air and around the back side a nicely manicured place for about that much per square..
Excellence is its own reward!
One story, right next to the driveway, easy access in many ways. Not a perfect rectangle, but close enough. I don't recall flashing particulars, but nothing too complx, I think - vinyl siding, etc.
Prices in NW Ohio are usually pretty reasonable.
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10 .... I have laid the foundation like an expert builder. Now others are building on it. But whoever is building on this foundation must be very careful.
11 For no one can lay any other foundation than the one we already have--Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:10-11
Edited 7/26/2003 8:40:36 PM ET by Bob Walker
With the whole point of this comparison being that with the wwide range of pricing possible that it is not fair to the contractor under scrutiny to be compared to a price gleaned off the internet.
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Excellence is its own reward!
Indeed!
I avoid strenuously giving roofing estimates -= I tell my clients that as far as I can tell, roofers use the phase of tyhe moon as part of their estimating process!_______________________
10 .... I have laid the foundation like an expert builder. Now others are building on it. But whoever is building on this foundation must be very careful.
11 For no one can lay any other foundation than the one we already have--Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:10-11
Real funny Bob.
And interesting that you consider the accumulation of years of experience or lack thereoff on par with the phases of the moon.
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I tell my clients that as far as I can tell, roofers use the phase of tyhe moon as part of their estimating process!
can only be construed as and insult to roofers and their ability to estimate. When in actuality, its just like bids for any other type of work. It depends on who you are talking to.
As far as epdm pricing goes, ditto what the others have said. Commercial volume rates may go 250/sq but smaller jobs depend on the detailing and tie in, thats where the time is.
So if its a relatively easy small job, maybe 350/sq would be appropriate. We did a 4 sq job on friday that would fall into that range. Early in the year we did one square of cricket/valley work with dormer and wall tie in that went into the second day for one guy. That one would go over maybe 800, wich had it been a few more square of easy laying would have driven up the square rate substantially.
I think with epdm, I'd be more concerned with reputation than price for a few square.Tom
Tom, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to be disrespectful, and I should have noted that I say quite a bit more and explained the context.
I have a laugh in my voice when I use the "phases of the moon" line (and I only do it where the clients have shown that they have a sense of humor,) and I go on to explain that because every company has its own way of detailing such work and of costs to consider in bidding, there can be a very wide range of bids for any one job.
I tell my clients that because of the variables and the dollar amounts involved, they should get actual bids; if I overestimate such a large job, I might scare them away from a house; if I underestimate it they're gonna be ticked at me when they get the actual bids.
If I'm off by 100% on a $250 job, it's not the end of the world; when I'm off that much on a potential roofing job, it can have pretty significant impact, "so to best serve your needs, I recommend you get estimates."
(And, BTW, I take it easy on roofers - a lot of my clients are critically looking at a roof for the first time in their lives, and some tend to get worked up if the roof planes aren't as flat as a pool table. If appropriate, I'll tell 'em: "I don't see anything to be concerned about with this roof - remember, framing lumber is never perfectly straight. [Dramatic pause ....] Come to think of, neither are framers!")
Tom, I think the honest and qualified roofing contractors realize that there is a surplus of hacks that fall into roofing. They shoot from the hip and work areas where labor is short and price with a shotgfun approach. After spending years bidding against some of these, and learning to sell myself ahead of pricing, I don't question Bob's statement or get insulted by it..
Excellence is its own reward!
Piffin, you're both right - my message was too short and could have been taken as insulting, for which I again apologize, and there are some hacks out there. (Schoolteachers on summer break are a major source of roofer hacks in my area.)
learning to sell myself ahead of pricing,
Great wisdom there!
(Although let's remember the marketeer's credo - sell benefits to the buyer - not features of the product!)_______________________
10 .... I have laid the foundation like an expert builder. Now others are building on it. But whoever is building on this foundation must be very careful.
11 For no one can lay any other foundation than the one we already have--Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 3:10-11