HAs anyone seen this Festool mortiser before?
Pretty cool, huh?
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The DOMINO Joining System DF 500: More Versatile, More Stable, Faster. The DOMINO Joining System combines exceptional versatility with simple handling and maximum precision. The DOMINO mortiser demonstrates this in every detail. | ||
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1. Efficient dust extraction. Extracts up to 95% of chips generated.1) | 5. Retractable stop pins. For quick and precise positioning of the first DOMINO dowel on both work pieces. | 9. Correct position. Precise positioning and accurate routing with the viewing window. |
2. Depth stop. Quick, precise adjustment for five different routing depths. | 6. Refined technology. High-quality, robust inner mechanism for consistently accurate routing results. | 10. Hole width selection. |
3. Routing height adjuster with scale. Simple, precise routing height adjustment. | 7. Patented routing principle. Route long holes in an instant thanks to the simultaneous turning and oscillating movement. No kickbacks. | View Image Download Brochure PDF |
4. Movable stepped stop. Height adjuster for central hole in material thicknesses: 16, 20, 22, 25, 28, 40 mm. | 8. Miter routing. Catch positions at 0°, 22.5°, 45°, 67.5° and 90° as well as infinitely variable routing angles from 0 to 90°. |
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100% rotation-proof. Right from the first DOMINO dowel. | Rack joints. Suitable for work pieces with dimensions greater than 15 x 22 mm. | Frame joints. Insertion of several DOMINO dowels provides maximum stability for heavily loaded frame components. | |||||||||||
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DOMINO PRICIPALS View Image | Unique among handheld machines: the routing movement. The routing tool turns and oscillates simultaneously – a patented principle that up to now has only been available on expensive stationary machines The result is accurately cut mortises for solid, rotation-proof joints Manufacturing mortises with a handheld machine is currently a unique concept. With the DOMINO Joining System, conventional systems such as biscuit and dowels or the manufacture of mortise and tenon joints can now be phased out | |
Domino Joining System Applications
PANEL JOINT, MITERED View Image | End join panels with bevel joints quickly and accurately. Release the clamp lever Adjust the tilting base for the positioning angle:
Tighten lever clamp Rout mortises along the scribe line on the bevel cut in the board User Tip: | |||
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PANEL JOINT, EDGELESS | Flush panel joints are easy to make: Position the DOMINO Joining Machine on the edge of the workpiece using the stop pin. Rout the first mortise accurately in relation to the DOMINO – without clearance The remaining mortises can be routed (with clearance) either:
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FRAME JOINT, MITERED View Image | Stable mitered frame joints in hardwood are also easy to make. Draw a scribe line over both frame sections Select a suitable sized DOMINO and set the routing depth. Pay special attention to the routing height when arranging two rows of DOMINOs, one above the other Secure the frame sections e.g. on the multifunction table, rout the mortises and glue the sections together | |||
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FRAME JOINT, EDGELESS | Create sturdy frame joints in an instant: Select a suitably sized DOMINO and set the routing width. Measure the rails and adjust the routing depth via the stepped stop The rails can be aligned perfectly central to the machine using the trim stop (accessory) After routing all the rails, simply remove the trim stop and rout the remaining mortises width the same height setting It’s as simple as that! Then glue the frame and you’re done! | |||
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ATTACHED FRAME View Image | Create a shell with integrated frame (flush joint): Rout panel joints along the scribe line and glue the shell. The first DOMINO makes sure that the panel joint is flush Rout mortises for locating the frame in the shell: the first hole is routed precisely to the size of the DOMINO. The remaining mortises are made with a slight clearance, to compensate for minor positioning inaccuracies and to allow for expansion and contraction of the material Dry fit the assembly before gluing: simply insert the DOMINOS into the mortises and then place the frame in position | |||
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BALUSTRADE | Balustrade and handrail assembly is easy with the DOMINO Joining System: Stable glued joints are easy to make, especially in frame assembly. Designed for material widths of 22mm and above The special shape and large gluing area of the DOMINO produces a solid joint that’s as stable as a mortise and tenon joint The elongated shape of the DOMINO makes the rails and balusters 100% rotation-proof | |||
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DOOR FRAME View Image | Creating door frames is extremely easy with the DOMINO Joining System. You can even rout mortises in the rebate of a door frame with DOMINOs flat design The routed mortises are perfectly sized to the width of the DOMINO. The edges of the door frame sections fit together perfectly and straightaway Solid rack joints are easy to manufacture. | |||
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GARDEN SUNBED View Image | Small batch production with the DOMINO DF 500 Joining Machine. Small production runs can be produced economically using the trim stop Simply adjust the trim stop to the required dimension and get started. All the slats are routed centrally The DOMINO Joining System can even rout mortises in frame rebates – the frame fits together perfectly Assemble all the components and your new garden sunbed is done User Tip: | |||
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GLUING View Image | Standard gluing procedure. Apply glue, making sure that the mortises have a sufficient coating on both sides The glue settles in the grooves and expands the glue slots on the DOMINO Completely coating both sides of the mortises increases stability User Tip: | |||
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Edited 1/11/2007 11:08 pm ET by andybuildz
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mmmmm, I want one!!!!!
james
Hi Andy,
Gene Davis posted a link about this the other week.
http://www.taunton.com/finewoodworking/ToolGuide/ToolGuideArticle.aspx?id=28038
It does look interesting, especially if you are doing a lot of cabinet work.
Best,
Steve
I will wait a couple of yrs. and see who has the best of them then.
Some pretty strong opinions about festool, mine is on the positive side.<!----><!----><!---->
I'm excited about the domino, looks to be easier and quicker than a mortise and tenon joint, a big step up over a bead lock and more flexibile than a biscuts. At $600, I'll likely pick this up; at $1100, I'm out. <!----><!---->
I began slowly accumulating the festool tool's for several years and have been very happy. The quality is amazing and many of the tools do serve dual purposes. I think they are great for cabinetry and furniture. The dust extraction is nice. They are great if you have a small shop. Down side…expensive!
As for the cost of the domino dowel, we’ll see. I feel festool has be reasonable with other consumables.<!----><!---->
craig,
Nothing against festool, good products.
I have learned though that I am better served to wait until a new style tool is out for a few years before buying one.
Lets them work the bugs out, see who improved on it etc.
I have one of the early Senco SFN1 oiless finish guns. Shoots nails up to only 1 /3/4" , after about 6 months Senco upped the same model to 2". Just seems to be my luck with new tools. I buy it, they figure out the problems and upgrade for the next round of manufacture.
dovetail, I got your point now... come to think of it, I'm victim of that a lot. hmmmmm. We'll see what they price this thing at, probabally won't learn from my past mistakes;) A marketing managers dream.
It is the tool addict in all of us .. ;-)
Does the work of a 200 dollar router for an unbeleivable price of 1199.99$
Get yours today
Suckah!!
be not spending my retirement $$ on festools
Peace
>>>>>>>>>>>>be not spending my retirement $$ on festoolsI just don't like the name. Fest-ool. Sounds like a party favor. Domino? You use it to ply a game. Fe-stool. Sounds like something you set on. Plus they won't cut metal worth a darn. Bosch - Now there's a name that means business. One rough syllable.Milwaukee - Makes you wanna work hard so you can get to beer-thirty.DeWalt - Sounds like a tool that'll whack the walt right off something.Festool - let's have a party and play dominoes setting on a stool.http://logancustomcopper.com
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It's like the whole world's walking pretty and you can't find no room to move. - the Boss
I married my cousin in Arkansas - I married two more when I got to Utah. - the Gourds
if you bought every fecestool that promised to do the work of three other tools...
you would replace your $10,000 shop of functioning stationary tools with a 25,000shop full of Portable stuf that does almost everything almost as well as the tools you replaced for more than twice the price.
but you could load it all up in your van and do substandard work ON-the-job!!!
Shopsmith lives!!!Peace
T,
How many Festool tools have you actually used on a regular basis?
Yes they are quite expensive, however on the flip side they have been some of the highest quality tools I have used.
Wow. You've never actually touched one then, have you? I like Bosch and Milwaukee too but comparison wise, there isnt.
Real trucks dont have sparkplugs
I am a blasphemer I have commented negatively about the Holy Festools
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This tool has been available in Australia for about 6 months now and everyone I know who has bought one absolutely raves about how good it is.Festool have come up with another innovative product.Have heard that they will also be releasing a SCMS sometime this Year.The price in Oz for the tool and a box of dominoes is $1180.00US. about $200.00 more than what it will cost when available in the US.For more discussions about this tool from Domino owners go to http://www.woodworkforumsubeaut.com.au and go to the festool forum.
Cheers
Thomas
Does the work of a 200 dollar router for an unbeleivable price of 1199.99$>>>>>>I didn't go through the entire article myself...is that really how much it costs???
Yikes!!
No wonder why the only Festool I have is the ROS I bought offa ebay for $100January 20, 2009 Duhhhbya's last day in office : )
http://WWW.CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
The intro price is $660
I guess if you can afford Festool, the cost of the dominoes may be of no concern. Single source from festool, they will not be cheap like dowels and biscuits. May be something good for the right person, but I'm not in the market.
I'm sure it's a real nice piece of work though.
I can see talking a friend into buying one so I could borrow it.
I saw that advertised in the latest magazines. Went to the festool site and they had links to some pre-release reviews. http://www.festoolusa.com/pages.aspx?docid=537
Gary Katz seemed pretty impressed. Most of the reviews thought it would run around $800 with a systainer full of 1000 dominoes. Sure like to see it in person.
http://www.garymkatz.com/jlc/domino.htm
Once again...I still think its kinda cool... but worth $800??
Spose' we'll just have to wait and see how long it'd take to pay for itself compared to something comperable.
PO "I dunno guys. Methinks some people have way too much extra time on their hands". Jer
http://WWW.CLIFFORDRENOVATIONS.COM
deskguy
I'm currious, what is it about Gary Katz recomedation of this tool that impresses you?
He's a carpenter just like Tom, Dick and Harry, why not their opinions on the tool.
Dont get me wrong, I got nothing against Katz, just wonder why his opinion of a tool has any value.
Doug
I didn't mean to come across as overly impressed by him, I just thought his review, laid out with the multitude of pictures, and the project he used it on we're done very well. It showed a use that I might never have thought of, and the usefullness of the dominoes over a biscuit or doweling. In the fence gate project he described, the dominoes are a far superior solution to either.
As far as the man himself, what most impresses me is his ability to market his talents as a carpenter to magazines, internet, books, and shows. He has used a proffesion he loves and expanded his reach to make himself a much better living. He's a very good carp, by no means great.
probably because he's one of those guys manufacturers ask to test "drive" their tools. Thus, he has MORE hands-on experience than most. Your avg. "Tom Dick and Henry" are in the business of working their trade(s). Gary does that and more. That's just one reason his opinion is sought."The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a governmental program" -Ronald Reagan
That's just one reason his opinion is sought.
Maybe I'm a bit more jaded but I'm not convinced that all these guys and there opinions arent being bought and paid for.
Did Bob Vila really believe that Craftsman was the best tool for the job before he became a spokesmen for them or was it after he recieved a check.
I dont mind that they get paid to do it either, hell I'd like to get a check just for offering up my opinion or for using certain tools, and I do believe that they are.
I've always maintained that Katz is a great marketer, nothing wrong with that.
Doug
im sure it is a great tool to use but buscuts and pocket jigs take care of my needs and i dont see the value in replacing mortise and tenon or loose tenon joints when a stationary mortiser costs less______________________________________________
--> measure once / scribble several lines / spend some time figuring out wich scribble / cut the wrong line / get mad
actually in thinking about it one big advantage is it could allow one to do the same or similar joint as a stationary mortiser but later in the process. I guess that might be worth it for some folks.______________________________________________
--> measure once / scribble several lines / spend some time figuring out wich scribble / cut the wrong line / get mad
It's the cult of personality.
Yea, I know.
I'm just blown away by the guys that goo-goo over someone like Katz when they probably have someone equally as good or perhaps dare I say, BETTER, right next to them and they dont even give em a second look.
Jeff Buck made a comment on here once upon a time...... something like this.......All kinds of great carpenters out there that have never heard of Katz, some doing as good as Katz, some way ahead of him.
I couldnt agree more, he's just another carp that happens to be able to market himself better then others. His opinion has about as much berring on my choice of tools or tricks as any other carpenter.
Doug
I've always felt that professional marketers (those who have received the blessing of the manufacturers) have perhaps a bit of an inside edge and can possibly offer an angle on a product that might not otherwise be obvious. The flip side of that coin is that their recommendations and opinions can get to be slightly tainted by their relationship with magazines and manufacturers. (Not that that would happen with our favorite magazine!)
I've always felt that professional marketers (those who have received the blessing of the manufacturers) have perhaps a bit of an inside edge and can possibly offer an angle on a product that might not otherwise be obvious.
Why? Do they somehow know how to use a tool better then other people that do the same job as them.
I disagree, I'd say it has more to do with money then anything else. Of course thats my opinion.
Today at work I asked everybody there if they knew who Gary Katz was, not a single yes amoung the shop workers, the owner said that he'd seen his name in FWW or FHB, couldnt recall which.
I dont want this to sound like a Katz slam, not at all - he's just the personality I picked.
Send me all the festools free and I'll write a glowing report and tell everybody to use them - I can be bought too!
Doug
I have strong opinions about tools that no person, Katz or otherwise, can change. These are the things I have learned on my own. I still enjoy hearing another point of view now and then. I often chuckle when somebody says something about a tool or a method that I believe to be untrue. Sometimes I do change my mind.
Sometimes, I find out about a feature in a review, although I have successfully used a tool for years. To show just how stupid I can be, I will say that I used my DeWalt Dual SCMS for about two years before I figured out why there was a scale on each side of the tool. I had just gone on using the same method of turning wood over to get the bevel on the other side, as I did with my previous Delta Miter Saw. I didn't find out from a review, though. One day, while making a table, I looked at the back of the saw and thought - What is that funny-shaped thing for? It did not look like any button I had ever seen before. I pushed it and a light went on. Then I realized why they called it "Dual"!
I think that when you have five tools from different manufacturers in your shop and you can take the time to focus and compare, you are possibly in the best position to make a judgment. I am not saying that judgment can't be tainted. It is up to the reader to separate the wheat from the chaff, to use the well-worn biblical phrase. A little leaning toward a particular manufacturer by a reviewer does not take away from all the good information. All of us do that anyway, whether it be with tools or vehicles. I happen to prefer Dodge.
Edited 2/3/2007 9:57 am ET by Sasquatch
Sas
I dont know what this thread is about anymore!!!
I've never read a tool review that I thought was worth the paper that it was written on. I know that sounds like a "shot from the hip" responce but..... for the most part when FWW, FHB, AW or any other mag does a review I scan the pictures and move right on past it. Its a total waste of print as far as I'm concerned. I think the pages could be better spent showing more "how to's", but maybe I'm unique enough that I'm alone in this thinking.
Andy Engle (again, not picking on this particular person, he just happens to be the guy that did the article) did a review on jigsaws in the last year or so, he found the Bosch to be the best jigsaw of the bunch........I find the Festool jigsaw to be so much above and beyond the Bosch that to me its like comparing the Bosch to the Firestorm.
I own both the Festool and the Bosch.
I would guess that I use my jigsaw at least as much as Andy uses his. Why is his review of the tool held in such high regard - because its in print! He's one person that used all the tools in his review, that's it, one persons opinion. Why would anybody use that as their criteria for buying a tool?
I've been out to job sites where there are several differnt brands of a particular tool in use, people share there goods and bads about tools, I take that as a real world review. I think that FHB, FWW is just pandering to the DIY with these reviews cause I cant imagine a skilled tradesmen reading them and using them, of course thats my opinion.
Oh, BTW, I prefer Chevy's!
Doug
Now you have me interested in the Festool. I have the Bosch and am completely satisfied with it. It is far above and beyond anything I have used, including the DeWalt 18V which preceded it and which sees very little use.
Ahhhh, the Festool jigsaw, sweet piece of machinery!
Doug
DougU,
I just found this thread and find it interesting. I agree with a lot of what you are saying.
I've written a few tool reviews for JLC and I can tell you they will not let me talk to a manufacturer. I have to send the tools back when I'm done (which was a bummer when I tested the Max high pressure system). It is not easy writing a review, but it is fun using the tools.
I completely understand you questioning the validity. When I read a tool review, I'm looking for information about that tool that isn't in the brochure. How did the author use it, what did he notice about it after using it that I wouldn't see about that tool in the store . . ..etc things like that.
What is important for everyone here to understand, is that the guys who write for the magazines are NOT at the top of their profession. But they are very serious about improving themselves and helping others. What it is, is that they've been given the opportunity to be published, and they take it and work at it.
What I've been told at JLC, is that most people who submit articles or are approached to write, never follow through. In my case, I know that I'm not even in the middle of the pack when it comes to framing, BUT I was given the opportunity to work with JLC and I'm doing that. Why? Not for any attention, I'm a very shy person (except on the forums :-) no one can see me) its because I've learned so much off the forums, tricks, techniques, about new tools, skils that I couldn't have learned in the small town I frame in. I feel a responsibility to share what others, guys here and JLC forums, have been patient enough to teach me.
So I work really hard to take pictures, I take on avg about 200-500 pictures per article. For the article I'm working on right now, I have over 2 gigs of pictures. I'm not the best at what that article will talk about, BUT I want people to enjoy framing, and if I can help them learn something they didn't know before, then great.
Plus, I expect and would love to demand, that guys then post new, better or tweaked ways of doing things after reading something I write. This is all an evolution anyway of progressing at something.
I've spent some time with Gary, he is devoted to teaching. You know why? Because no one does it on a large scale anymore. You must have had a good teacher and you worked hard at your craft and we are all impressed by your ability. Most anymore aren't taught. He spends a lot of time crafting his articles, including the pictures. He doesn't just submit chicken scratched articles with illustrations that were drawn by a third grader, he takes his priviledge seriously.
Anyone here who has attended any of Gary's classes knows that he is passionate about carpentry and his enthusiasm is infecious. JLC LIVE is one of the fastest growing tradeshows. Why? Because many of us have a desire to learn and there isn't a good formal program anymore for us in the trades.
So to wrap this up, when someone asks Who is Gary Katz? He is someone who has worked really really hard as a carpenter, and is devoted to helping others learn, progress and get into carpentry. It is a great career, just look at how many posts there are here and at JLC. Carpentry is a great profession to be apart of with a long long long history of craftsmanship and pride and a heritage we can all be proud of.
That isn't the case so much anymore and Gary is just trying to do his part to change that. As is everyone here and at other forums who spend time learning and helping others learn. Gary is just one of those guys.
Tim
I'm not looking for someone to change my mind on tool reviews and I know your not trying to do that. Why is it that everybody thinks they have to get me to see it the way they do? I've stated here at least 10 times that I dont like tool reviews, I think they are a waste of space and most importantly, I'm in the minority on that subject!
So to wrap this up, when someone asks Who is Gary Katz? He is someone who has worked really really hard as a carpenter, and is devoted to helping others learn, progress and get into carpentry.
I have no reason to think anything less then what you said regarding Gary Katz. I believe you and others when they say that he is very passionate about what he does. Do I have to indorse him/his books/articles for him to reach the pinicle of his career? I'm glad that Gary is passionate about his position in life.
I'm just doing this carpentry thing until something better comes along so maybe I'm not the guy to be making any of these comments.
People are missing the point that I made regarding Katz and his books/articles. I feel I have the right to criticise his teachings. I dont want to bring up the "no shims" article because I think Gary may wish he'd never writtin the damn thing. But that article was in my simple opinion a disservice to this industry, hack work. I've trimed track homes, never in all the times that I hung split jamb doors did I even consider not shimming them, to do so would have been hack work. Sometimes you dont make as much money but you dont resort to inferior work. I and a whole slew of others criticised Katz for the article, did we not have the right to do it? According to Gary we did not.
I'm not dissing anybody that writes articles for these mag's, not you, not Gary Katz, not Andy Engle, nobody. I have my opinions on tool reviews and on techniques that are published in these magazines and sometimes I mention them, why am I wrong for that but you guys arnt for questioning me?
Dont aswer that, its purely retorical.
I'm going to go kick the dog or something constructive.
Please PITA people, I dont have a dog!
Doug
That's ok, you can have your opinions. I was just giving some background info. I don't want to change your mind.
You can be critical. That's human and a necessary part of the process. I was just letting you know that tool reviews aren't easy to write and in my opinion are a good thing.
We can disagree that's ok.
Your tool reviews have been some of the more beneficial, IMO
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Thanks Piffin. To be honest, they aren't very fun to write, but its fun to use somone elses tools :-)
Hey Doug.....
You need a dog." If I were a carpenter"
Soon as I get out of this rental I'm gonna go get me the meanest one I can find - Something to accent my sunny disposition!
Doug
Tim,
There must be some misunderstanding between you and JLC editors about contacting manufacturers when doing a tool review. Speaking with manufacturers is a requisite part of researching and writing a thorough tool review; learning how to separate marketing fluff from operational fact is also part of the reviewer's job. Both Fine Homebuidling and JLC encourage thorugh tool reviews.
Sometimes I contact manufacturers multiple times during a reveiw, to check on the information I receive from other manufacturers. The time I spent reseraching cordless battery technology a few years ago is a good example. Companies tend to stress what is best about their products, which is natural. Larger voltage cordless tools, at the time, were seen as the future of the industry. Few companies wanted to talk about greater heat generated by larger voltage cells and the affect on life cycles, because it could be viewed by some as negative news. I had to call several companies back three or four times to be sure I had the information straight. My intention wasn't to bash anyone, but to 'inform' other carpenters that you pay a price by using higher-than-necessary-voltage cordless tools. Like most people, tool company representatives will open up to you more once they learn to trust you, once they know you're not out there to bash them for your own benefit but to inform readers so that they can make wiser choices. With the articles and reviews you've already written, you shouldn't have any problem on that count!
There are more than 300,000 subscribers to FHB and probably a half-million readers, when you count one-time purchases and people who share the magazine with others (I've met many carpenters and employers who do that). There are nearly 50,000 subscribers to JLC. These numbers don't even count online readers. The fact that so many people are interested in quality information, both tool reviews and how-to articles, is encouraging to anyone who wants to write, to anyone who wants to share techniques, to anyone who want to have a positive impact on our industry.
Gary
Hey Gary, while you're here, how hard is to get the domino registered on two mating tight mortices? That little bit of slop in biscuit slots do them easy to get edges flush. Seems like I'd have to pretty precise with the festool? Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
Hey Doug, Festool must be reading this, when I went to the mailbox this morning (I forgot to pick up the mail last night), lo and behold there was a Domino cd...it's worth at least checking out<G> Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
Hey Doug, Festool must be reading this,
I probably wont get one! <G>
Doug
One thing the Festool rep was pointing out at JLC was that the Domino cutter had an adjustment for slop - er did I just say glue viscosity?;)I just posted another thread with you name in it.
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At the risk of mentioning a tool review, or sounding like one, take a look at this page on my site:
http://www.garymkatz.com/ToolReviews/festool_domino.htm
Funny that you mention the 'slop' in biscuit joints. And funny that you prefer to have that slop. Some carpenters don't. Just goes to show how different techniques work for different carpenters. Another reason I'm always reluctant to demonize the way a guy works--if it works. Shims or no shims. :>)
If you use a high-end biscuit joiner, like a Lamello, you'll find there is no slop because there's no runout in the blade. The biscuits fit snug in the slots and register two pieces perfectly flush...if you position the tool properly on the work surface. Personally, I prefer perfect registration. I've had problems with slop when I'm doing long glue-ups and you can't reach the center boards with clamps. And I've had trouble with slop in casing miters, too, when the profiles have to be dead on.
There is no slop with the Domino, unless you want it. On the fly, you CAN increase the width of a mortise, which makes alignment a lot easier and doesn't affect registration--see, the Domino will INDEX your joinery end for end (line up your miters RIGHT ON, short point to long point) AND it will register your boards perfectly flush. The tool provides a suprising degree of accuracy and ease of use; it does twice the work of a biscuit jointer. I'm just learning some of the potential uses and in the process re-learning how I do things.
Thanks Gary, sounds good...I wasn't talking about horizontal slop, I meant the side slop created from the biscuit slot being a bit longer than the biscuits...surface flushatude is a major importance, I hate sanding<G> Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
Gary,
If I have questions, I give them to the editor and he passes them along. So no misunderstanding. But framing tools aren't as complicated as the tools you guys use :-)
funny U mention that ...
as your name was right around the top of my mental list when I typed that.
and don't sell yourself short ... Katz has been around here long enough ... I'd bet he knows of your work.
while we're on the subject ... another dude that popped into my mind was Beanbrisket .... or BrisketBean ... BB? Dude from Texas, I think ... groin vault ceilings.
Him too ... anyone seen of him?
and ... there's others ...
and like U mentioned ... local guys ... my best Bud Joe ... like when he showed me why it's called a circular saw ... when we were framing a barrel vault roof ...
'cause he made mine cut circles! Sounded bad ... but was quick and easy.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
BrisketBean
I think that is his name. Yea the barrel vaults!
I was going to head up to Salado (sp?) where he was working on a house one time but something came up and I never did get around to it. I really wanted to see it. Had some cool ceiling work and a nice stairway.
I think he posted a pic or two not all that long ago about some barrel vaulted ceiling work but never did come back, dont know what happened to him. He did some cool work though.
A lot of guys out there doing some fantastic stuff, guys that never read FHB, if you can imagine that!
Doug
>>>I couldnt agree more, he's just another carp that happens to be able to market himself better then others. His opinion has about as much berring on my choice of tools or tricks as any other carpenter.<<<<Does Mr.Katz act like an ego maniac or just someone passionate about building? So he makes a good living at it. Jealous are we...lol?
So what...why you and some others making such a stink about the fact some people respect his views? Cause he makes money? So don't listen to your favorite musical artist...they're not the only one that can sing..ya know?
So what...lighten' up bro?
There's room for everyone...we all have our place. Take it or leave it...or take a little piece of it. Or don't...so?
Be well dude
Namaste'
andy...
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Doug,
Actually....my opinion on a tool has no more value than yours. You should write some tool reviews the way you want them written. You're probably a far more accomplished carpenter than I am. I've never tried to say that I'm the King Kong of finish carpentry. The reason I'm teaching more than working in the field is probably because I'm a better teacher than I am a carpenter. I don't know, really. But I sure enjoy both, and I sure enjoy meeting carpenters around the country who appreciate the craft and appreciate learning more about it--we share a lot in common. I never thought of myself as a very good carpenter and still don't. I've met lots of carpenters who are better than me.
I make a lot of mistakes on the stuff I do, especially when I tackle new things--whether it's a mantelpiece, a pivot bookcase door, or a live presentation. Sometimes I have to do a job three times before I get it right, but I'm learning to enjoy each time, each mistake, knowing it's part of the process of getting something right, of understanding how to do something.
Thats also why I enjoy writing. It's a bit like Sketchup. You have to describe exactly how you do something, really think it through, draw every detail, so that it's easy to understand, easy for someone else to understand, and when you're finished, you can't leave any marks or blemishes that might distract a reader. Writing is a lot like finish work, but different, too.
I think the weird thing is that people see articles written by frequent contributors and they begin to get some idea in their mind of what those people are like. Let me be the first to tell you: you have no idea how humble Andy Engle is, or Mike Guertin or Rick Arnold or Myron Ferguson or any of the writers I've been lucky enough to meet. They all enjoy teaching, and they all enjoy learning. Don't we all?
As for the Festool Domino... Yes, Festool is a sponsor of the Katz Roadshow, but I can and have written poor reveiws on lots of sponsor's tools (Senco pin nailer comes to mind). My sponsors don't support these events with the intention of buying me...trust me, THAT would cost A WHOLE LOT MORE!! They sponsor the events because they're educational and people come to learn.
Email me your address and I'll lend you my Domino for a month. You'll find out yourself just what a revolutionary tool this is.
Gary
As for the Festool Domino... Yes, Festool is a sponsor of the Katz Roadshow,
Good job Gary.
david.
Mr Katz
You should probably have a little background on my thoughts regarding you, and people that do what you do.
I have no problem with what you do, how you make your living, for that matter, how you cut a piece of wood! Hell I might even be envious if I knew all the things that you do, but I'm not, I love what I'm doing and want to continue to do so. You mention that you like the teaching part of what you do. In that I'm different, I dont mind teaching but I dont think I'm good at it so I dont care to do it.
I never heard much about you prior to two years ago. Saw a couple of your articles, particularly the famous "no shims required" one but I didnt give you a whole lot of my "thought" time.
I lived down in Texas at one time - I took on a job here in Iowa to finish out a house for a guy I met here on BT.
First thing he does is pull out a Gary Katz book, thats all cool but I dont care about the book, I have 25 years of experience going for me plus the confidence to do what I do. I'm not suggesting that I cant learn something from your book, I know that I can but, if he wanted Gary Katz to finish out his house he should have gone to you not me! I found it a tad insulting but..........
My complaint, and its really not a complaint as much as it is an observation, is that because something is in writing all of a sudden its gospil and nobody elses thoughts/ideas/opinions/experiences mean anything. Its the writen word for Gods sake, it cant be wrong! After all I havent been published so how could I possibly know what someone that has written a book knows.
I know a lot of very good carpenters, some that just plain blow me away. I personally dont know any that have been published, not a single one. If I have a question I know exactly which one to go to for advice. Thats pretty much how I've handled problems that I've incountered. AS for tool reviews, I find these things to be a total waste of any magazines time and paper. Obviously I'm in a minority on that count and thats all cool, I dont tend to follow very well!
You probably wont see many post on here from me that celebrate your teachings/writings. I may be one of your biggest critics on here but not because I dont have any respect for what you do, more so for the checks and balances of what you do. I dont believe that someone that writes an article or a book should get a free pass, and I know that your not suggesting that you should get it, but others do.
I dont know Andy Engle, Myron Ferguson, Mike Gertin or any of the other guys that you mention but I know Randy Brinley, Walter Kraft, Leo Halverson, those are the guys that blow me away, guys that you will likely never have the privledge of knowing.
Your a magazine personality, is that anything like a TV personality? So I assume you've grown the thick skin that is needed to be out front and in person. None of what I say is meant as a personal dig.
I appreciate the offer on the Festool but every since I've seen the thing I've been trying to wrap my mind around how I would incorporate it into my way of doing things, something I wouldnt do if perhaps Black and Decker would have came out with it. So far though I'm not comming up with anything, but I dont give up that easy! After all, I'm a sucker for a new/better tool.
And pray tell what about my writing would make you think that I could even begin to write an article, sheesh.........
Doug
Doug,
It takes a lot of courage to write an aritcle for a national magazine and expose yourself to the criticism of thousands--courage, not thick skin. I take my hat off to all the carpenters who have braved that criticism in order to share lessons that they've learned. Though I often find fault with an author's techniques, I would never think to criticise a fellow carpenter for authoring an article or book. To me, that would be a sin. Those articles, those carpenter-authors form the true heart of carpentry, the brotherhood of our craft at work. All of those articles and books form a legacy of learning for people in our trade, from the pattern books of the 18th century to Fine Homebuiding today. That's the tradition that I aspired to when I published my first article in Fine Homebuilding, to be a part of something bigger than me, to help out, lend a hand, and hope that my participation provided someone with a valuable benefit. Having met thousands of carpenters all across America, I'm encouraged that so many share my opinion and so few seem to share yours.
Gary
For what it's worth, the photos I have seen of Doug's work are amoung the most impressive things I know of. I don't know much about his techniques, but the finished results blow my socks off. If you ever write that book on fireplace styles and surronds, his work is worthy of consideration.
I respect both of you - hope you continue to get along.
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It takes a lot of courage to write an aritcle for a national magazine and expose yourself to the criticism of thousands--courage, not thick skin.
I'll have to take your word for it that it takes courage to write an article, I can barely right a cohesive sentence on here! It does take a skill to do so though and you obviously have it. The thick skin comment was only meant as a suggested aquasition when you put yourself out there as an expert on any subject.
I'm encouraged that so many share my opinion and so few seem to share yours.
You may not get this but I'm just as encouraged by that as you are!
I dont want any followers, you can have em.
I would never think to criticise a fellow carpenter for authoring an article or book.
BTW, I never criticised you or anybody else for authoring a book/article, the content maybe but never the author himself. I keep that personal insult stuff for my friends, they've come to expect it. If you somehow feel that because you or anybody else are imune to criticism because you authored an article then somehow my preceptions on this subject are right on.
Doug
I would never think to criticise a fellow carpenter for authoring an article or book. To me, that would be a sin.
If the fellow carpenter is wrong ...The sin is to shut up.
...For the good of the trade.
david
Regarding tool reviews, I personally enjoy reading them and sometimes find them very helpful for an initial assesment of a tool I've not yet been able to put my hands on.We've all read puff pieces that give a bad name to the good reviews that are thourough and well thought out.In fact - puff reviews are probably the norm in the industry, especially in mags like TOOL of The Trade and some others.Even FHB's annual tool issue is just about useless as it pretty much just lines em all up, list their specs and types out a few lines of pros and cons - without maybe really any real-world rational or criticism.That's what I like about the independant reviews that FHB has from actuall carpenters and contractors like Gary and others much less well known. These reviews where, for instance a framer has his entire crew use and test 8 diff circ saws over the course of a house frame and over time a certain tool's fault is highlighted or the crew's prefence tends towards a specific model - these reviews are very helpful to me and I respect the opinions given.The Domino in particular, is a tool that I've tried to read as much as I could about to try and help to form an opinion on whether to invest in it - Gary's and a few other's initial impressions after owning theirs and using it for a period of time have been good reading and part of the decision making process that goes into the decision to spend the money or not.I won't claim to have 20 years under my belt and all the knowledge I need to do what I do... I actively try and learn as I go and figure out better ways to go about the jobs and projects I work on. Early in my career, I was actually enlightened enough about the possibilities of the router and the biscuit jointer from a couple of books showing their respective versatility that I immediately went out and bought them and was glad I did.If not for all the folks talking of all the uses for their MultiMaster, many would write it off as merely an expensive detail sander and never buy it. Take people's opinion with a grain of salt, but still look at it with an objective eye instead of considering it empty advice from the gitgo.I just recently purchased a set of Collin's clamps, the Collins copng foot, the Emyth book, the "What should I charge..." book - all based on other's folks reviews of them - not sure yet what I think of them just yet, but at least I know going into it what to maybe expect.Regards,Julian
Julian
I assume that Mr Katz was sincere in his offer to lend me his Domino machine for a month so how bout you take my place.
I'm just not sure where I would incorporate that tool into my way of doing things. And as I stated in my post to GK, becasue its a Festool and the're well known for there quility I really am trying to come up with a reason for it. I'm a sucker for new and better tools.
I've never questioned its ability to do what it says, I'm looking for someone to show me where to use it. Gary offered to let me use it but no mention of where I would use it!
Doug
I think you guys are missing his point there.I would criticise Gary for hanging doors with no shims, but I would not criticise him for writing an article about it.
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Hey Gary,I'm a nobody, want to send me that Domino for a month?...I'll write a review for Doug<G>Man, I can only think of about a 1000 uses I have for that thing, right now! Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
You keep me out of your review, do it in your name not mine!
Thats just what I need, a review with my name on it. I can see it now, "look the dickhead that criticises reviews has writen one" <G>
I've asked this on here at least 10 times; where would you use the domino? I dont question its ability. If I thought I had a use for one I would own one, I dont need anybody to lend it to me for a month. I'm just not sure where I'd use it. Enlighten me, please! Just give me maybe 10 to 20 of those 1000 uses.
I went to a woodworking store and seen the results of the domino but all they just did was used it on a 1 X and no real practical use. the cuts looked clean/crisp, tight fitting but where do you plan to use it?
I build some doors now and then but I dont think the domino is big enough to hold a man door together. I thought the biggest one was still a bit small for a floating tenon on a passage door.
I remember years ago seeing the guy that invented the Craig jig standing at shows doing his thing, making picture frames and craft type projects, figured I didnt need it but how wrong was I on that one? I didnt even put two and two together and figure out that if it held a picture frame together like it did then it would do an even better job on faceframes, Christs, how slow am I?
Hell I'm not all that bright, I need someone to tell me where its uses are and show me how it will do it better then the method that I already use. I'm always looking for ways of improving, if not I wouldnt be using a grinder to cope, I'd still be using that Collins coping foot and doing it like a cave man!
Doug
Hey Doug, I'd write one for you, not by you. I like reading anything about building and woodworking, whether I agree with it or not. Just seems like I come away a little further on up the road than I'd be if hadn't read it...what do you on the can, anyway?<G>As far as the Domino, my very first impression was holy crap 700 beans, no way! I have a Festool jigsaw, and think it's a POS, for the money. I expected a whole hell of a lot more...but that domino is growing on me the more I think about it.Did you see the stair rails that JRuss posted? There's a 1000 uses right there!I was sent a 1/2 round window casing on Friday. The legs are 12" short of reaching the stool. I'm going to have kreg jig extensions on that I think I could do in about two shakes with the dominoHow bout casings, face frames, hand rails, cabinet doors, mantle pieces, table tops, aprons into legs, chair rungs, tread returns, dang doode, nearly anywhere I'd use a biscuit.Jeeze, my back porch railing...I ran threaded rods through the vertical, lotta pain in the butt drilling...View Imageguid=C8A64621-1A37-4F76-90CD-6A865ACE1232&webtag=tp-breaktimeso, you gonna pass Gary's offer along to me? c'mon, I will tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth<G> Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
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Is there an online manual? I want to see how to use it to shoot down into a deck or floor without any edge in play to use the stop pins. I see there are two right-angle indexable surfaces.
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You're online, aren't ya? check it out...me, I'm waiting for my 30 test run<G> Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
Hey Holly
Remember I wuz looking to buy a new jig saw cause my DW crapped out on me for the 2nd time? A dw rep saw a neg review I left and sent me a brand new model along with a radio and 2 batteries FREE! Blew my mind.
I do have to say with no predjucice (really) the new jig saw model is really great.
The bevel has a little to be desired but not that bad. Its a really responsive saw!
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Hey Andy, great to hear you got some satisfaction. One of the reasons I got the festool, was because of talk here and Andy Engle's review. When I saw him at your place, I told him I was gonna have Sherry kick his butt<G> In his defense, the new bosch wasn't available for the review, and he said he had bought a festool and felt the same way I do, but he only a 100 bucks for his! Live and learn. I love DeWalt miter saws, but I've not been impressed by much of their other stuff, but that's just me. When are you coming by? Bring the dewalt, we'll do some cuttin' up LOL Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
Snort
I'd assume that if Gary was going to let me use it for a month that he would give it to you instead. Hell he may not get it back if he gives it to the likes of me!
Your take on the Festool jigsaw is exactly opposite of mine. I love it and I think my Bosch is a POS in comparison! So there, hows that for two different reviews. I catch myself abusing the crap out of my Bosch just to get it out of my arsenal. I think I'll give it to a friend that doesnt have either.
............nearly anywhere I'd use a biscuit.
So why not continue to use the biscuit jointer?
When I first got my biscuit jointer I thought, wow, this is going to make faceframes really nice. Wrong! Hell I dont want to wait for something thats gotta be clamped up and glue to set. Faceframes are done when the pocket screw is in.
Approns into legs would be a good example of where I could see using it(domino). I have some pretty cool jigs that I made for my plunge router that handles all of my floating tenon stuff. If the domino deal is faster and better I'd switch in a NY minute but I cant see how it could. I should correct that last statement, maybe it'd be faster but since I'm not making tables all day long I'm not convinced that it'd be money well spent.
I moved back her to Iowa 6 months ago and have yet to unpack those jigs so that tells you how much I use them.
so, you gonna pass Gary's offer along to me? c'mon, I will tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth<G>
If you can get Gary to send it to you go ahead. I'm not interested in writing any review. If I thought I could use the domino I'd buy one. If you write a review I'll break my rule and read it. <G>
I have no doubt that the tool is very good and does what it claims. You dont see me slamming Festool equipment, matter of fact I doubt that I've ever made a negative comment about Festool stuff. I'm sure there are craftsmen that can and will use it very effectively. Maybe I'll be one of them someday, who knows.
Good luck getting Gary to send it out to you. Or, just e-mail him using my name and your address!
Doug
Good luck getting Gary to send it out to you. Or, just e-mail him using my name and your address!I should try that with my credit card company!My old DeWalt biscuit joiner is going south. Fence doesn't like to stay parallel to the blade with shimming in the opposite direction every time I pull it out. It's had a very hard life. I'd been thinking about a Lamello, but that domino's not much more, and other than sliding stuff over a biscuit, I can't see much a bj can do over the domino...okay, maybe cut off door jambsHave you got a new Bosch jigsaw, or an old one? I'm thinking of trading someone straight up for the festool. No variable speed trigger, doesn't give me the love, and that dumazzed box, can't stand it up and grab it, what's with that? Nobody on the crew even wants to use it...gotta say though, their blades are the best out there, they make my kinda new Bosch cut like a dream. Maybe I can use the festool to vibrate concrete<G> Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
Have you got the barrel grip or the D-handle version?I sold my Bosch 1587 after getting the 18volt version. The cordless does pretty much what I need for jigsaw uses. But, much like the 1587 - it's kindof crappy around curves and thicker stock. I haven't tried the new Bosch, but figured if I was going to get another corded model, I'd get the Festool.If your's is a barrel grip - I'd buy it from you if the price is decent.Regarding the Domino - I could see that tool really opening up the range of projects that I could complete in an efficient manner. I have the PC 557 Biscuit jointer and it's good for the limited uses a bisuit jointer is good for, but the Domino opens up a whole new world for those of us who have not already invested in other jigs and machines.Regards,JT
Julian, it's a d handle, dang. I really like the cordless bosch, too, but the new corded bosch has the blade adjustment like festool, and's 100 bucks cheaper. Try the thick festool blades, can't recall the number, a world of difference. Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
I picked up some blades at a local kicthen installer supply house - they were made in France or something - yellow packages, yellow logo on the blades.Can't tell you what they are cause I can't read the lanquage printed on them - but these blades are the best blades I've ever used. Perfectly smooth cuts, no chipout, etc.The Bosch blades I've used in general don't seem any better than any other crappy blade I've ever used.Never tried the Festool blades - are they reasonable?How much you want for your Dhandle FS saw? JT
Julian, I'd have to at least get a Bosch 1590<G> I paid $280 for the festool and the bosch is around $160. Hmmmm, you pick up the shipping?Gotta tell ya, though, I don't think you'd be happy with the trion...the no variable speed trigger control is a major aggravation, at least for what I do. Don't want you going for a pig in a poke...I also cut the line obstructing guard off...sheesh.Like I told Andy Cliifford, I think the bosch is a better saw, and a hell of a lot cheaper!The festool blades I use are the S 75/2.5, they do have some yellow on the tee part. They cost about 50 bucks for 25 (I think it was including shipping?), I'd be keeping those<G>Oh, yeah, I'll throw in the systainer thing for free. LOL Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
I would criticise Gary for hanging doors with no shims, but I would not criticise him for writing an article about it.
I think thats what I said/did but Gary turns it into "I would never do that, thats a sin", BS, if his poor little ego has been bruised then maybe he should go back to full time carpentry and leave the writing to the big boys!
If your going to write an article, be it Hints from Heloese or How to hang a door without shims you better be prepared for the critisim, If not then maybe you've chosen the wrong profesion. Thats all part of the baggage that goes along with being well known. If you dont want that then stay home. Jesus didnt get a unanamous vote, where does Mr Katz come off thinking that he should because he had the courage to write an article?
NOt to you Piffin but after the two E-mails I got and Tracys post before yours I feel compeled to add this; I've stated on here(in different threads) several times that I think tool reviews are a big waste of time, thats my opinion and I'm not trying to sway anybody over to my side, I could barely work up the strength to give a good rats azz weather or not anybody agrees with me, even stated that I'm in the minority on the subject. I've never stated that I know it all after doing this for 25 years or that theres no more for me to learn. Quite the contrary, I even mentioned that i could learn something from Katz and his books. So people need to get off this sh!t that somehow I have no respect for what Gary does or his abilities. Freaking cry babies that need their leaders to be eccepted by one and all!
Doug
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I dunno, maybe you see more in Katz's reply than I do. Oh well...On tool reviews, Ihalf agree with you. Most lineups are piss poor and tests are inadequate to the way they are used in real life. The ones that really do me some good is when they are in the hands of a tradesman on the job, and especially when the comment is something like, "I liked the style and price of XX but when it comes to really using it on the jobsite, everybody on the crew wanted to be the one using the YY instead.I don't think the guys on the crew want to use a YY because of the colour or how easier it is to store away. They want it because it is good to use and productive and comfortable to handle, etc - real world stuff.That is why I wait to jump into a new tool usually until it has been on the market for awhile and forums like this give us ala chance to kick it around.
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Hey Gary, I kind of missed the beginning of the thread and don't really have the time to read all the posts. But I just wanted to say that when I was first learning the trade, I devoured books and articles (still do). I found them to be knowledgable, mostly accurate but more importantly many were inspiring. I wish more people in the trades where I live were inspired enough to put their heart into it. for most it's a paycheck, which is fine. But for anyone who takes the time to write an article , book, video, etc., I have great respect for regardless of the articles content because it shows you care enough to pass on your knowledge and inspire your peers and the upcoming generations. It's easy to say you didn't get much from an article when you are in a place of having worked 20 years in the profession but for a newcomer, everything is helpful. Keep writing gary. Perhaps someday I can reach a point of filling those shoes."it aint the work I mind,
It's the feeling of falling further behind."Bozini Latini
Gary, Have you thought of trying that Domino for Soss hinges? I had some to install today and I thought about that! at JLC Live, that was the one tool that made the biggest impression on me. I could have used it for a fence and railing job last fall and for lots of things over the years. It is one tool that I KNOW I will be buying someday, but I'm stil reeling from sticker shock.I enjoyed your presentation there too. Wife comented that you were a good teacher. You kept it flowing well in spite of your mistakes.;)
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Anyone notice how many guys/gals on the tv shows use Festool? Must be great product placement, because we saw Amy Devers (FreeForm Furniture) and everything she used was FESTOOL, making comments about her "crosscut system". they're growing on ya..! I see Tommy use their drills on TOH. and I'm sure there are others I haven't seen yet."The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a governmental program" -Ronald Reagan
I have noticed Tom on TOH and Hometime have been Little Giant (or one of the knockoffs) the last year or so.I usually try to catch the credits for the "Special Thanks", but never saw them by name..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
with all the infomercials the Little Giant people run, Tom probably had to pay real $$! No credits in THAT case!!"The nearest thing to eternal life we will ever see on this earth is a governmental program" -Ronald Reagan
I was all over this Feb 28, nobody cared then.
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Well...I started this thread 1/11 and wasn't that people didn't care...it was the price...still is.
Seemed over priced to me as well then and still does..doesn't mean we don't like it...just seems like its too much dough.
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This may seem unfair to ask, but I think it is a fair question. Do you have any financial relationship with this company?
Congresspeople, stockbrokers, and others are required to disclose their fiduciary relationships (although some would say it does not always happen).
I love to hear strong recommendations from longtime BT gurus. I just want to make sure these recommendations are free and clear before I take them at their face value. A Domino costs quite a bit of change, and before I consider seriously dropping that kind of cash, I would like to have the assurance that the recommendation of a respected BTer is beyond that kind of thing.
If this is a simple advertisement, I think we all have a right to know - you know, like when they do those full-page stories in magazines that have the word "advertisement" in small letters at the top of the page.
Your answer will be appreciated and forever recorded on the internet.
I loved it for the little I used it but I think its over priced...but how many things aren't? If its something you'd use a lot it'd probably pay for itself pretty quickly. I doubt it would for me right now.
You know, not to generalize, but the 29% of people who still support President Bush are the ones who love to pronounce themselves more patriotic than the rest of us. But just saying you're patriotic is like saying you have a big one. If you have to say it, chances are it's not true.
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Fair enough.
Breaktime guru?
Respected BTer?
Andybuildz?
What is this.........Breaktime II?
{G, D & R}
Democrats.The other white meat.