FHB Logo Facebook LinkedIn Email Pinterest Twitter X Instagram Tiktok YouTube Plus Icon Close Icon Navigation Search Icon Navigation Search Icon Arrow Down Icon Video Guide Icon Article Guide Icon Modal Close Icon Guide Search Icon Skip to content
Subscribe
Log In
  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Restoration
  • Videos
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House
  • Podcast
Log In

Discussion Forum

Discussion Forum

Extremely horrible area of lawn

davidmeiland | Posted in General Discussion on April 20, 2009 05:43am

There’s a part of our lawn… area maybe 30×50 or so. It’s where the drainfield is and has been for 20 years. When they installed the drainfield they didn’t bother to grade-rake the soil. There’s a very motley grade of grass growing, and it’s acceptable, but the underlying soil is corrugated, crennulated, full of rivulets and miniature chockholes, and it’s miserable to mow in addition to looking heinous. Now, it is fairly flat–all of the personality is below a pretty decent looking flat plane, and there aren’t any hills or humps. It’s just that the mower wheels fall in every few seconds as you push along.

So, to fix this, I’m thinking two or three things. One, get a load of soil and do some hands and knees labor, filling all the low spots, then broadcast some grass seed. Two, get 2-3 loads of soil and top dress the whole thing, using a grade rake and maybe a water drum to flatten and compact a little bit. Three, get someone with a small tractor to plow the damn thing up, break up the turf clods, and reseed it. Running a tractor on the drainfield is probably a no-no.

I don’t know what it is about things like this. Lived here 5 years now and never got a bee under my bonnet about this particular problem. Now I need to fix it, but I know jack about grass.

Reply
  • X
  • facebook
  • linkedin
  • pinterest
  • email
  • add to favorites Log in or Sign up to save your favorite articles

Replies

  1. davidmeiland | Apr 20, 2009 05:48am | #1

    Got off my chair and shot a photo:

    1. User avater
      coonass | Apr 20, 2009 06:08am | #2

      David,Till it, add fertilizer, lime if needed and sod it.KK

      1. Scott | Apr 20, 2009 06:31am | #3

        I wouldn't till over a drain field. No?Scott.

        1. [email protected] | Apr 20, 2009 06:51am | #4

          The drain field should be down far enough it will be safe from surface tillage. I would however, just get some top soil, and start spreading and raking it every month, until the surface is leveled up. The idea is to add a little bit of soil at a time, so as to not kill the grass. Also every time you dump the soil, you could over-seed with a grass seed for what you want. It might take all this summer and part of the next, if the problem is really bad though.

          1. Theodora | Apr 20, 2009 06:56am | #5

            Grass...as the extension agent said the other day..."the hardest crop you will ever grow."

          2. Scott | Apr 20, 2009 07:27am | #7

            Ok, you're lucky. My health dept. made me put no more than 1" of dirt over the drain rock which has prevented anything from growing above. I've got six strips of dirt in the middle of a lawn.How deep are your drainage tiles? I'd like to know if I can safely heap some soil on top of the field now that inspection is over.Thanks,Scott.

          3. Piffin | Apr 20, 2009 01:20pm | #11

            strange. They require a minimum or 2" topsoil here to get seeded. 

             

            Welcome to the Taunton University of Knowledge FHB Campus at Breaktime. where ... Excellence is its own reward!

          4. Scott | Apr 20, 2009 07:58pm | #15

            >>>strange.Yup. Needless to say, the health dept. people around here don't have many friends or much respect. The old adage about "grass growing greenest over the septic system" just doesn't happen here. Nothing grows on 16" of drain rock covered with a skiff of soil. Bummmer.....Scott.

          5. MgGuy | Apr 20, 2009 08:45pm | #16

            I seen no need to till, and I would go with a whole lawn aeration and overseed with a top notch fescue, with maybe 3-4 passes with the aerator in the problem area. Top dress that area after seeding with a loose organic blend out of a bag,(trucked in topsoil varies too much and generally has too much weed seed.) Starter fertilizer and water. I agree that lawns require a little work, and some parts of the country aren't lawn-friendly at all, but with a little attention they can be a treat for the eyes. my front lawn this am....

            Edited 4/20/2009 1:59 pm ET by MgGuy

            Edited 4/20/2009 2:00 pm ET by MgGuy

          6. [email protected] | Apr 21, 2009 03:58am | #18

            They might have been requiring the minimal overfill to promote aeration in the leach field. There are methods using physical vent systems to provide the same aeration, that allow backfill over the top.Mine has about 6 to 8-feet of cover over the leach field. It is an older system, but seems to be working well thus far.

    2. levelone | Apr 20, 2009 08:41am | #9

      I feel your pain!  I've paid big bucks to get grass to grow--top soil, hydro seed, sod, blah, blah, blah.  It all turns to weeds eventually for me, so take what I say for what it's worth.

      Last week I was told the key to a healthy lawn in this area is lime.  Then, if you're into it and it's needed, fertilize and weed killer.

      As for your problem with unevenness, I was a super in a sub-division where a homeowner complained about the very same thing (though not nearly as noticeable as yours).  The landscaper said all he could do was fill in the low spots with top soil and reseed.  Either that or tear it all out and start over, which he wouldn't guaranty to be perfect either.

      Maybe you should just hire a neighbor kid to mow it...

      1. johnharkins | Apr 20, 2009 09:30am | #10

        very interesting approach just filling w/ sand
        I'd throw at least 1/3 "top soil" mulch in there for diversity if you can find it up there
        both the roller & the extra wide maybe 36" wide rake are invaluable and yes some rain in between to help in settling
        two or three applications of the fill rolling & raking w/ some rain mixed in & you are ready for some seed / sooner than later better

  2. timby | Apr 20, 2009 07:02am | #6

    You think you have problems....

    I've spent over $3500 in the last 2 years trying to get grass to grow in my front yard. I have several folks out and each one suggests something different. I feel it's a lost cause and am looking for other alternatives such as a low growing ground cover.

    I would recommend that you watch some of the TOH episodes and see what they did. I believe they tilled the area (no more than 3") with a mixture of soil types and put down sod.

    Just my 2 cents ....

    I've already tried this on my yard to no avail ....:<(

  3. User avater
    the country gardener | Apr 20, 2009 08:15am | #8

    Someone came over to Over the Fence and suggested we take a look at this thread. Actually the advice isn't too far off-base so far. What you do is really going to be based on what you want, how hard you want to work at getting it and how much you want to spend. The grass around the problem areas appears to be thick and healthy so, personally, I wouldn't want to till the whole thing up; and tilling just the leach line zones would make grading hard at best. Filling in with soil is also a bit difficult. The easiest solution is to fill with sand, no more than an inch at a time (the slow-fill method advised was sound), and let the grass grow up through it before adding more sand. Once it's up near finish grade, the sand will be really easy to grade out flat. If you have or can get some well-aged compost to add to the sand so much the better, but avoid topsoil. Remember, top-soil is simply the soil on top, which means it can be anything from a nice loam to heavy clay loaded with rock. The grass will grow through the sand much quicker and root through it much quicker too. Good luck! 

    Marty

    "The plants have been good to us."  Lester Hawkins

  4. Silly | Apr 20, 2009 05:03pm | #12

    Before you go and till the whole thing up, you might try renting an aerator and raking a 1-2 inch topdresing of loam or loam/compost over the area (after cutting the existing grass to about 2 inches).  Then overseed, apply starter fertilizer, and keep watered.  I have had decent luck with this approach for a similar problem, though I skipped the aerating and wish I hadn't. 

  5. RalphWicklund | Apr 20, 2009 05:23pm | #13

    In our area the accepted method of leveling pock marked lawn is to backfill with sand or soil, raking it in over several applications to allow the grass that is in the depressions to grow through. I don't think we ever rolled it, just let gravity do its work.

    In Daytona Beach we used what was called yellow sand. You could either buy it or go by the rural roadways and fill up several mud buckets at a time from the banks by the road.

  6. peteshlagor | Apr 20, 2009 05:33pm | #14

    Dave,  As one said, grass is hard to grow.  Although you're in a rainy area, I'm coming around (finally) to realize it may not be the right thing to do - try to grow such extensive and perfect monocultures.  Oh, it's certainly nice to look at, and I have too much myself, but really, the cost and effort that goes into the process should cause more of us to consider alternatives. 

    Nicely designed multch beds (wood chips, stone, whatever) can go a long ways towards keeping the nice look and less effort and cost.

    Depending upon the answers to several of the ?'s already (depth of tiles, etc.), as well as other hydrodynamic characteristics, perhaps this is a decent spot to grow some shallow rooting shrubs or vegatables.

    Maybe a paver patio.  Still keeping the drainage characteristics, but no further disturbance of the soil.

    But I agree with countrygardner, the sand is quick and easy.  Topsoil comes with it's own set of other problems.

    1. [email protected] | Apr 21, 2009 04:30am | #19

      I agree about lawns being a huge time and money pit. If I didn't know it would really piss off the neighbors, I would let mine die, and plant native species, like sage brush. I already started trying to reestablish the sage brush steppe ecosystem on my back acre. The old gal, (late seventies at least, probably in her eighties), on that side is all for the idea. She even had the grand-kids, and great grand-kids come help me gather seed off the ones growing back there now, and rake it in last fall. I should know in a few weeks if any of it took.

  7. webted | Apr 21, 2009 01:05am | #17

    Hi David:

    If you have a Pacific Topsoils near you, they sell a sand/topsoil/compost blend that's pretty good for seeding lawn. Better yet would be a 1:1 mix of sand and Cedar Grove compost (you would have to mix it) as a "top-shelf" option. Your timing is perfect: now is the time to seed a lawn out here.

    In my experience, getting a decent lawn out here is a multi-year effort, but only a little work at each time.

    Year 1: level (sand + compost), seed heavy, keep it moist all summer. Leave it on the long side, it holds more moisture in. It might be worth running an aerator over the area first (it's the rental tool that leaves the little "goose poop" pellets) before spreading the sand and compost.

    Year 2: top mulch with a little compost, reseed any failed patches, give it a drink during the real dry spells

    Year 3: Thatch, aerate and compost. Repeat every other year until the sun burns out and the mountains wear away...

    Skip the "Scott Lawn" garbage - it's like crack for lawns: they perk up for a little while, then they get burned out and useless.

    Make sure you pick up a lawn seed that's right for the area. Usually most of the nurserys have a "northwest blend" that's pretty forgiving. Make sure the seed is from this year - the viability goes downhill rapidly. With two year old seed you might as well just plant dandelions and moss and get it out of the way...

  8. Sbds | Apr 21, 2009 05:20am | #20

    I was filming at Yankee stadium and spoke to the grounds keeper about there well know lawn. He told me the base was sand (for drainage), then top soil and sod. Water every day in the morning and mow every other day a very high cut. So the best way to get a golf course lawn is to start over.

Log in or create an account to post a comment.

Sign up Log in

Become a member and get full access to FineHomebuilding.com

Video Shorts

Categories

  • Business
  • Code Questions
  • Construction Techniques
  • Energy, Heating & Insulation
  • General Discussion
  • Help/Work Wanted
  • Photo Gallery
  • Reader Classified
  • Tools for Home Building

Discussion Forum

Recent Posts and Replies

  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
  • |
View More Create Post

Up Next

Video Shorts

Featured Story

How Trump's “Big Beautiful Bill” Will Affect the Inflation Reduction Act

The Big Beautiful Bill could do away with much of the Inflation Reduction Act, including the 25C, 25D and 45L tax credits.

Featured Video

How to Install Cable Rail Around Wood-Post Corners

Use these tips to keep cables tight and straight for a professional-looking deck-railing job.

Related Stories

  • How Trump's “Big Beautiful Bill” Will Affect the Inflation Reduction Act
  • A Drip-Free, Through-Window Heat Pump
  • Podcast Episode 690: Sharpening, Wires Behind Baseboard, and Fixing Shingle Panels
  • FHB Podcast Segment: Hand Tool Sharpening Tips

Highlights

Fine Homebuilding All Access
Fine Homebuilding Podcast
Tool Tech
Plus, get an extra 20% off with code GIFT20

"I have learned so much thanks to the searchable articles on the FHB website. I can confidently say that I expect to be a life-long subscriber." - M.K.

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Fine Homebuilding Magazine

  • Issue 332 - July 2025
    • Custom Built-ins With Job-Site Tools
    • Fight House Fires Through Design
    • Making the Move to Multifamily
  • Issue 331 - June 2025
    • A More Resilient Roof
    • Tool Test: You Need a Drywall Sander
    • Ducted vs. Ductless Heat Pumps
  • Issue 330 - April/May 2025
    • Deck Details for Durability
    • FAQs on HPWHs
    • 10 Tips for a Long-Lasting Paint Job
  • Old House Journal – August 2025
    • Designing the Perfect Garden Gate
    • Old House Air-Sealing Basics
  • Issue 329 - Feb/Mar 2025
    • Smart Foundation for a Small Addition
    • A Kominka Comes West
    • Making Small Kitchens Work

Fine Home Building

Newsletter Sign-up

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox.

  • Green Building Advisor

    Building science and energy efficiency advice, plus special offers, in your inbox.

  • Old House Journal

    Repair, renovation, and restoration tips, plus special offers, in your inbox.

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters

Follow

  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
  • Fine Homebuilding

    Dig into cutting-edge approaches and decades of proven solutions with total access to our experts and tradespeople.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X
    • LinkedIn
  • GBA Prime

    Get instant access to the latest developments in green building, research, and reports from the field.

    Start Free Trial Now
    • Facebook
    • YouTube
  • Old House Journal

    Learn how to restore, repair, update, and decorate your home.

    Subscribe Now
    • Facebook
    • Instagram
    • X

Membership & Magazine

  • Online Archive
  • Start Free Trial
  • Magazine Subscription
  • Magazine Renewal
  • Gift a Subscription
  • Customer Support
  • Privacy Preferences
  • About
  • Contact
  • Advertise
  • Careers
  • Terms of Use
  • Site Map
  • Do not sell or share my information
  • Privacy Policy
  • Accessibility
  • California Privacy Rights

© 2025 Active Interest Media. All rights reserved.

Fine Homebuilding receives a commission for items purchased through links on this site, including Amazon Associates and other affiliate advertising programs.

  • Home Group
  • Antique Trader
  • Arts & Crafts Homes
  • Bank Note Reporter
  • Cabin Life
  • Cuisine at Home
  • Fine Gardening
  • Fine Woodworking
  • Green Building Advisor
  • Garden Gate
  • Horticulture
  • Keep Craft Alive
  • Log Home Living
  • Military Trader/Vehicles
  • Numismatic News
  • Numismaster
  • Old Cars Weekly
  • Old House Journal
  • Period Homes
  • Popular Woodworking
  • Script
  • ShopNotes
  • Sports Collectors Digest
  • Threads
  • Timber Home Living
  • Traditional Building
  • Woodsmith
  • World Coin News
  • Writer's Digest
Active Interest Media logo
X
X
This is a dialog window which overlays the main content of the page. The modal window is a 'site map' of the most critical areas of the site. Pressing the Escape (ESC) button will close the modal and bring you back to where you were on the page.

Main Menu

  • How-To
  • Design
  • Tools & Materials
  • Video
  • Blogs
  • Forum
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Magazine
  • Members
  • FHB House

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Podcasts

  • FHB Podcast
  • ProTalk

Webinars

  • Upcoming and On-Demand

Popular Topics

  • Kitchens
  • Business
  • Bedrooms
  • Roofs
  • Architecture and Design
  • Green Building
  • Decks
  • Framing
  • Safety
  • Remodeling
  • Bathrooms
  • Windows
  • Tilework
  • Ceilings
  • HVAC

Magazine

  • Current Issue
  • Past Issues
  • Magazine Index
  • Subscribe
  • Online Archive
  • Author Guidelines

All Access

  • Member Home
  • Start Free Trial
  • Gift Membership

Online Learning

  • Courses
  • Project Guides
  • Reader Projects
  • Podcast

More

  • FHB Ambassadors
  • FHB House
  • Customer Support

Account

  • Log In
  • Join

Newsletter

Get home building tips, offers, and expert advice in your inbox

Signing you up...

This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply.
See all newsletters
See all newsletters

Follow

  • X
  • YouTube
  • instagram
  • facebook
  • pinterest
  • Tiktok

Join All Access

Become a member and get instant access to thousands of videos, how-tos, tool reviews, and design features.

Start Your Free Trial

Subscribe

FHB Magazine

Start your subscription today and save up to 70%

Subscribe

Enjoy unlimited access to Fine Homebuilding. Join Now

Already a member? Log in

We hope you’ve enjoyed your free articles. To keep reading, become a member today.

Get complete site access to expert advice, how-to videos, Code Check, and more, plus the print magazine.

Start your FREE trial

Already a member? Log in

Privacy Policy Update

We use cookies, pixels, script and other tracking technologies to analyze and improve our service, to improve and personalize content, and for advertising to you. We also share information about your use of our site with third-party social media, advertising and analytics partners. You can view our Privacy Policy here and our Terms of Use here.

Cookies

Analytics

These cookies help us track site metrics to improve our sites and provide a better user experience.

Advertising/Social Media

These cookies are used to serve advertisements aligned with your interests.

Essential

These cookies are required to provide basic functions like page navigation and access to secure areas of the website.

Delete My Data

Delete all cookies and associated data