SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EZ Smart Guide 100″ system with 4 cutting inserts and two low profile clamps, and saw base.
Since the saw base is attached to the saw already, and I purchased the saw exclusively for use with the EZ and it’s already dialed in, I am including the saw in the sale too.
The rails and saw are used, but barely. I bought the system for one project and haven’t really used it since.
SOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PayPal is preferred. [email protected]
Edited 2/16/2007 9:34 pm ET by GregDi
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that's a great deal greg.... i'm tempted myself... i've only got three sets so far.. and none of them are set up with a mag
someone ought snap this up fast...
good luck
<Yesterday, I used my EZsmart for the last time. The thing just aggravated me one too many times AND every other thread here lately has been about Festool.><Geez, I was going to put my EZ on eBay too...So much competition!I might just post it on Breaktime!!!>GregDi on JLCOnline
Greg, how bout the rest of the story. What did you find aggravating about its use?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
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Typical ez bashing by "The Club"
Greg wants to be certified.
Dino. U just lost the last claim on your box.
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< The EZ is gone! I sold it on Breaktime in under 1 hour today. I feel so clean.>GregDi on JLCOnlineI've never used either setup, so I really can't comment.But when he starts a thread bashing it and throwing himself a party for buying the Festool, then brags that he'll unload to someone here-ugh!He implies that the people here aren't smart eneough to know better.And Gary Katz, who I have not seen but have read his books, tells Dino to keep quiet while the others continue to bash him and his product.They claim that Dino and his crew do backstabbing online to Festool. Don't know, can't say.I'm not trying to defend Dino or EZ, never met nor usedbut Greg is being very deceptive coming here and acting like he's doing someone a favor by giving up a great tool.I'm just kind of disgusted knowing what he says over on JLC.
Greg didn't say anything about Festool here.
It's pretty obvious that Festool is the preferred system on JLC. EZ seems to be a more popular choice here. So what? Both message boards have clearly different members. I'm not saying one is better than the other, just different.
He posted what he was selling, why he was selling it, and how much he wanted. What else do you want? On top of that he sold it at a fair price.
How can that be bad?
I wish I had a reason; my flaws are open season
"I bought the system for one project and haven't really used it since."
I guess that the only thing that seems deceptive is giving the impression that he won't need it anymore because he will not be doing more projects.
The actual reason appears to be that he is moving on to Festool. But how many of us tell the whole truth when we sell something? The buyer never wants to hear that you are selling to go to something better.
I think he omitted his Festool purchase to avoid the flame war that usually starts when the EZ and Festool streams cross.I wish I had a reason; my flaws are open season
No Greg is being two faced about the deal. They've got a cute little Dino bashing clique over there and he's playing it for all it's worth. I was a little put off by Gary making it one sided. He should have deleted the thread because it turned into nothing but an insult to Dino.
He's here telling one story and then he's over there telling another story. That's allright as long as we know he has two faces that's all we need to know.
The person that bought the EZ guide got a good tool, and Greg got to pose with his buddies. Everyones happy I guess. It would have been nicer if Greg hadn't handled it with two faces.
Edited to add: I originaly called Greg a dick. That's not really fair. Sorry about that Greg. It's been changed.
Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?
Edited 2/17/2007 9:50 am ET by Gunner
I have the Festool.
Trust me, it's better.
TPToolpig (a.k.a. The man formerly known as "Toolfreak" and "Toolfanatic")
Toolpig
I have the EZ and trust me its better!
Gee, somehow that must make me right, simple.
Doug
And Gary Katz, who I have not seen but have read his books, tells Dino to keep quiet while the others continue to bash him and his product.
They claim that Dino and his crew do backstabbing online to Festool. Don't know, can't say.
Backstabbing? NO.
Standing up to bullies? YES.
Gary Katz and his followers started the backstabbing and name calling.
EZ is a VW and the Festool is more like a Porsche (Gary Katz)
Dino challenged Gary and his followers to a test/ez challenge.
Gary and his followers got upset with Dino and
started the ez/Dino bashing parties.
david
the domino effect to peer pressure ?
Edited 2/18/2007 1:09 pm ET by davidwood
Gary Katz, everybody seams to think his word somehow means something.
Just another personallity hawking merchandise.
My guess is that he's getting paid to say what he does about the Festool system and I'd guess he's never even givin the compition a try. Course he can always refute it but I wouldnt believe much of what he says, and if Festool or any other tool manufacturer pays me I'll do the same thing!
He's got ideas on his web site that implies that he came up with them when its simply not the case.
I'd give his word the same value as I would Bob Vilas, both trying to sell you something.
Doug
Doug.
I know Dino and I know tools.
The FEBE gallery First Ever By Eurekazone. at the ez site shows some of the ez inventions. . I say some because Dino believes that we just started... when GK and others can't imagine anything better...for whatever reason.
david
My guess is that he's getting paid to say what he does about the Festool system and I'd guess he's never even givin the compition a try. Course he can always refute it but I wouldnt believe much of what he says, and if Festool or any other tool manufacturer pays me I'll do the same thing!
My guess is you didn't read the November 2005 JLC where Gary Katz tested the EZ Guide and table. He gave a positive review of both.
Personally I don't care that much about either the EZ or Festool. If I absolutely needed one I'd probably buy the Festool because the saw has dust collection and I do work on occupied houses.
But the first reason I would buy the Festool is that the owner hasn't spammed any forum I read. I do understand that Dino is a small-time guy trying to make it, but his aggressive style just turns me off.
I do like the Hilti 267 and rail and will probably buy that instead.
DG
dg.. i read that article... and it was obvious to me that Gary didn't test them
or he would have had more positive things to say about the EZ-Guide.. basically, it wound up as the ugly step-sister
and other posters .. like " trust me, Festool is better".... they haven't tried both either
before i bought EZ.. i tried both at a JLC show.. it was pretty obvious that EZ could do a better job at half the price.. and i went to the show to buy the FestoolMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
and other posters .. like " trust me, Festool is better".... they haven't tried both either
Can't speak for others, but in my case I want dust collection, so I don't need to try anything to tell the Eureka product is not even in the running.
As far as Gary's article, it wasn't at all obvious to me that he (allegedly) didn't test the tools. I rather thought he liked them. Perhaps you know Gary better, I've never met the man.
DG
dg.. most of the time i don't want dust collection. because i don't want to be tethered
however.. my EZ is set up on a PC saw with a dust port.. and we hook it up to our Fein auto-vac.. the same vac we use with our PC wall sander
so... we have dust collection when we want or need it Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
I'm the one who bought it...
After all this controversy, I felt so smarmy...
The pressure was too great...
I sold it to my buddy...
The wicked thing is gone...
;)
PJ
Everything will be okay in the end. If it's not okay, it's not the end.
I have been following this debate all over the place for quite some time,and I have yet to comment on it.It is interesting to me to see the positions and the response of everyone.
I will add this to the dialogue. "Aporetic clusters"
The philosopher Nicholas Rescher has argued that disagreement arises in philosophy because of “aporetic clustersâ€. An aporetic cluster is a set of related theses, each of which we have good reason to accept, but which are mutually exclusive when taken together. To return to the free will example, Rescher provides the following example of an aporetic cluster:1) All events are caused.2) If an action issues from free choice, then it is causally unconstrained3) Free will exists – people can and do make, and act upon, free choices.Rescher argues that there are good reasons to accept each of 1, 2, and 3, but one cannot consistently accept all three. The common reaction is therefore to accept two of the three premises and reject the third. Compatibilists accept 1 and 3, but deny 2; libertarians accept 2 and 3, but deny 1; and those who reject both positions may accept 1 and/or 2 but deny 3.According to Rescher, most philosophical debates fit the model of the aporetic cluster; philosophical problems arise because commonsense fundamental beliefs are inconsistent.Are we doomed, then, to endlessly debate philosophical problems without any hope of resolution? Well, perhaps we are, but so what?This is one possible reply, anyway; that consensus is not the point of philosophy. The journey is more important than the finish line, in contrast to science, where the finish line is clearly the goal – discovering a new elementary particle or finding a cure for some debilitating disease – no matter how fascinating the journey.But surely there must be at least a hope of reaching a consensus of some sort? Progress must be seen to be made to some extent otherwise how can we differentiate between professional philosophy and playground chatter of the “my dad is bigger than your dad!†sort? Scientists can answer the dispute empirically – get the two dads side by side and let's see who is bigger.But philosophy does not have this option (unless it utilises science, of course). How, then, do we decide who has the bigger dad? Is there in fact a way to decide or is philosophy doomed to eternal debate, always travelling, never reaching the finish line, except in those rare cases when it is helped across the line by science?Suggested reading
Philosophical Reasoning: A Study in the Methodology of Philosophizing , Nicholas Rescher (Blackwell) I think dialogue is good ,we can build a better mouse trap or saw guide.We are the ones who use the things (tools)or not if we choose.
Every time the conversation comes up many have a feminine response(emotinal) "Oh God here we go again..." Rather than a male response (logical) Can this help me be a better ,more efficent carpenter.or something like that .I have only personaly used or seen the EZ system,and I like it a lot.
I have just ordered additional rails and the square.I would not be opposed to trying the festool.I think Dino is missunderstood.I have had several dealings with him and he has proven himself to me to be a person who believes in what he is doing and he is passionate about it.I think for a guy to keep coming up whith new ideas and products he has to be that way.
I think if through this dialogue we can communicate clearly what works and what does not work so well ,we can inspire someone like Dino who is personaly acsessable to talk to.(I have never had a problem getting a hold of him once.Never had to wait on hold to talk to him once.)Dino I believe is continualy looking for ways to make his customers jobs easier and more efficent which for me = profitable.Flame On
Rick Sheehan
Friend NERi
pro,
exactly what I was thinking.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
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yes, my thoughts exactly.
Except for the line 'male response (logical)' which I have learned to alter after having the presentday feminist movement attempt to impact my day-to-day routine. Thus I find it much easier to glide along without comment near those lines lest I invite additional trial and tribulation unnecessarily.
every court needs a jester
Edited 3/3/2007 12:40 pm ET by rez
Again, it couldn't have been put any better.
You got a frontal shot of that?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
not on yer life! Roar!
every court needs a jester
as an aside.
Last year, I had a job in the home of a(nother) pretty darn good looking woman.
More to the point. She was a body builder previous to this meeting. I didn't know this. Anyway, on the first morning while walking through the kitchen I see this photo mag'd to the frig. Yikes, there's this cute woman in her posing gear. Every, EVERY sinew,every vein, every-everything was in rigid detail. Yuck.
Never quite thought again of the hotness of this woman.
That and her license plate- HI M8NTS or something to that effect.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
lucey, you got some 'splainin to do..
i don't get the license plate Mike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
High maintenance?
Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?
old guy.A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
hi ? hi? ???? m8 ....?????
yeah , i'd still be stuck at the traffic light with all the people honking their horns behind meMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
say it along with me.
High (hi) Maint (M8 <eight>) enance.
A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Come on, they've got a boatload of vanity plates in R.I.
What is that,
Phonix?
A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Edited 3/3/2007 1:51 pm ET by calvin
Gunner's got it.
I knew it right away. My daughters buddies from long ago used that letters make more than words lingo. Complete sentences using 5-6 letters (and numbers).
You've got some background in using 5-6 words to make a paragraph.
SK8GRT
A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Hey Rez
I am going to check into RE Hab and sign up for classes on sensitivity training.;}.Honestly I don't know for a fact about the Men Logical women emotional.Maybe this Gal is right:http://headrush.typepad.com/creating_passionate_users/2005/07/youre_emotional.htmlThe point I was trying to make is several people are just waiting to be offended everytime this topic for one comes up.Its like ...Oh no here we go again ...,Like that other guy said:..."According to Rescher, most philosophical debates fit the model of the aporetic cluster; philosophical problems arise because commonsense fundamental beliefs are inconsistent.Are we doomed, then, to endlessly debate philosophical problems without any hope of resolution? Well, perhaps we are, but so what?"...Several people don't constructively join the dialogue ,they say all he does is start trouble ...etc...or the Rodney King school of philosophy..."can't we all just get along" Like the Wise Man said:
Prov 27:1717 As iron sharpens iron,
so one man sharpens another.
(from New International Version)He also said:Eccl 10:1010 If the iron be blunt, and he do not whet the edge, then must he put to more strength: but wisdom is profitable to direct.
KJV
Good Lord. Your dad IS bigger than my dad!
Hey your alive! I can stop spreading rumors now.
Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?
Does spreading roomers cost more on weekends? Is there a sliding scale?Missed you, too. It appears the Shed expulsion is permanent, but i so far have free rein in the 'public' area. How odd is that?
It doesn't cost me anymore. I bought a membership. :)
Maybe you have to be readmitted to the shed. Meaning a mod might have re grant you access like you were a newbie.
Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?
grant you access like you were a newbie
Oddly, Justin's form letter said i was bounced from the Tavern and the Cafe for two weeks. After the two weeks were up, the Cafe folder appeared again promptly, but not the Shed. It appears i am supposed to lean over and kiss his....ring.
Interestingly, Justin's punished at least 3 women from BT; the only one permanently banned is the one who makes her living in the trades. Unlikley odds, but it could be just co-incidence, of course.
I need names please.
Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?
You need names of the punished? Carole, Shredder, and me.
Hey woman, equal is as equal does.
be equalall points considering
every court needs a jester
I get the "equal" part, but the proportion of posters to banned is a little skewed in regard to gender. What other women post regularly? Square Peg, Kate, SWC, Plantlust...and that's stretching it. If Justin banned approx half the men on the board, what would be the reaction? No biggie, just something i notice from time to time on the boards. There was a guy on Knots in a bad way, quite a while back, talking about blowing his wife's head off. I asked the moderator about it, but his appraisal was that the poster was just venting. be boys'll be boys
Gotcha now. I knew about those, I just brain cramped for a minute.
Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?
one strike and its a permanent? Goldilock permanent or just wavy?
Musta been a doozy!
Sorry I missed it?
Did you win at least?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFexyK8J1Iw
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No nudity, no profanity, but it was anti-military, the third post i've had deleted that was anti-military, so maybe that's the call...who can tell? Oddly, actual veterans told me they didn't have a problem with the pic.
Did you win at least? I just might have. With all the extra time gained from being banned, LOL, i've begun responding to people who need handyman stuff done and can't find good help. I quoted $25/hour and no one's flinched so far. It's not much for NYC standards, but about 2- 1/2 times what women in construction make in MT. I was actually here researching a quiet portable compressor i can use indoors when this thread caught my eye....search function still sucks, unfortunately.
I'm thinking of calling my new business "Miss Handymanners". What do you think? <G>
I'm thinking of calling my new business "Miss Handymanners". What do you think? <G> <<<Is this the same SPINTERGROUPIE ????? lol
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I'm aim to do business with only refined individuals, so i'm working on the uniform. French-maid-with-nail-apron is about where i'd like to hit. I'm hung up for the moment trying to locate rough-service fishnets.
Hello again,--"I was actually here researching a quiet portable compressor i can use indoors."Here is a summary of some stuff I pulled together on small compressors:I've done some research on some popular trim compressors mentioned here (Thomas 617HDN, Dewalt/Emglo D55140, Bostitch Trim Air CAP1516, Senco PC1010, Makita MAC700, & Campbell Hausfeld FP2040). They can all do the job (most around 1.0 CFM @ 100 psi)...so it comes down to these criteria:Weight, Noise, Price and Longevity/Reliability.Weight (range from 18 lbs. to 52 lbs.):CH is the lightest at 18#, followed closely by Bostitch & Senco (20#), then Dewalt (24#), Thomas (26#), and Makita dead last (twice as heavy as the others).Noise (range from 60 db to 80 db)Thomas is the winner here @ 60 db with CH FP2040 a close 2nd (FP2048 is 10 db louder), then DeWalt and Senco @ 69 db, Bostitch @ 75 db and Makita last again @ 80 dbPrice (range $99 to $316):CH is cheapest ($99), then Senco ($130), Makita ($156), Dewalt ($179), Bostitch ($182), and Thomas is most expensive ($316). The factory recon Bostitch is $120.On longevity, Most of these are new on the market...so we shall see. Thomas has a good pedigree (made in WI even), Makita is an oiled unit, and Dewalt/Emglo looks well built. Bostitch is available reconditioned already (is that a bad sign?), and Senco has been bashed here already. At $99 the CH is almost disposable.My conclusions:Top tool...Thomas (super quiet, light, & good quality with price to match).Best Buy...CH FP2040 (cheapest, lightest, and only Thomas is quieter)Dewalt & Bostitch & Senco are in the middle (all are light & fairly quiet at low prices). Dewalt looks more rugged and well designed compared to the others...worth a look.Worst (IMO)...Makita (twice as heavy and many x's louder).All of these are much quieter than my old PC pancake (noisy beast @ 87 db) and only the Makita is heavier.Since the decibel scale is a logrithmic measure of sound energy, I have read that a 10 dB increase is 10x's the sound energy (this may be innacurate)...Wikipedia suggets we hear a 10 dB as a 2 fold increase in noise level. It follows that the MAC700 would then sound half as noisy as "most compressors." It also means the Dewalt and Senco trim compressors sound half as loud as the Makita...the Thomas and CH half as loud again.Here is a scale for comparison:dB (SPL) Source (with distance)
194 Theoretical limit for a sound wave at 1 atmosphere environmental pressure; pressure waves with a greater intensity behave as shock waves.
180 Krakatoa volcano explosion at 1 mile (1.6 km) in air [1]
160 M1 Garand being fired at 1 meter (3 ft)
150 Jet engine at 30 m (100 ft)
140 Low Calibre Rifle being fired at 1m (3 ft); the engine of a Formula One car at 1 meter (3 ft)
130 Threshold of pain; civil defense siren at 100 ft (30 m)
120 Train horn at 1 m (3 ft). Perforation of eardrums. Many foghorns produce around this volume.
110 Football stadium during kickoff at 50 yard line; chainsaw at 1 m (3 ft)
100 Jackhammer at 2 m (7 ft); inside discothèque
90 Loud factory, heavy truck at 1 m (3 ft), kitchen blender
80 Vacuum cleaner at 1 m (3 ft), curbside of busy street, PLVI of City
70 Busy traffic at 5 m (16 ft)
60 Office or restaurant inside
50 Quiet restaurant inside
40 Residential area at night
30 Theatre, no talking
20 Whispering
10 Human breathing at 3 m (10 ft)
0 Threshold of human hearing (with healthy ears); sound of a mosquito flying 3 m (10 ft) awayÂ
Well, aren't you just the bee's knees! Thanks for pulling that all together, you trim expert you. I'd been thinking of yanking your electrons before deciding once and for all.I've been looking at those, except for the Thomas bec of price. I had a previous rotten experience with a CH oil-less (replacement piston: $80), so i'm steering toward the MAC700. I can carry that easily enough, but i was only hesitant about the shape since it looks top-heavy, esp compared to the Dewalt or Senco. One review noted that the Dewalt air discharge - angled upwards - makes putting on a filter trickier. The MAC700 got a plethora of satisfied customer ratings on Amazon and those folks were remarking how quiet it is, so maybe i won't need the absolute quietest one. Have you seen the MAC up close and personal? Maybe i can just encase it in Great Stuff...anything'll better than having to roll my I-R into the Toyota!
Well, aren't you just the bee's knees! <<<
I knew this wasn't you!! HA!
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I used to be schizophrenic, but we're OK now.
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Makes sense.
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I used to be schizophrenic, but we're OK now.
Thanky darlin'! Nice to see y'all, too.
we got the little Senco... it's the one everyone wants to take with them when they have to go upstairs to trim a room.. or jump in the truck to do a small job..
it's a nice PORTABLE ( as in one hand ) compressor.. with lot's of power for one gun at a time
one of my guys even went out and ordered the same one for his home workshopMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
and Gunner: thanks for the strong vote on the Senco. That makes it stand out from the rest of the oil-less ones.
I just went over and picked up my #50 dog and realized i wouldn't want to have to carry him up a flight of stairs. I also wouldn't want him to tip over if i pulled his hose too hard.
I've got the little Senco too. I bought it after watching a Gary Katz demo at JLC. The compressor never interupted hs lecture. You could hear it running but it wasn't loud enough too interupt him or even cause him to raise his voice even though he was standing over it.
It will run one finsh gun fine. That's all I ever use it for.
Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?
Most of the compressors get mixed reviews among BTer's. I have heard glowing and damning testimonies here on CH, Senco, and Thomas. You mention the Amazon rating of the MAC, 4-star IIRC, funny...but the Bostitch is rated even higher (5-star). The trouble with those ratings is that I would venture to say that more pros bought the MAC and are a demanding crowd who use and abuse the thing and are more critical than the hobby users who are more likely to have bought the Bostitch. Also, those who were impressed by how quiet the MAC is are used to 90 dB beasts and are already hard of hearing. ;o) That said, I used the Bostitch for a year and it was fine (my apprentice owns it).Personally, I lean towards models lighter and quieter than the MAC for inside work. The MAC does have the highest output so (3.3 SCFM @ 90 psi), if I did more framing or roofing or had a crew running several trim guns at once...the MAC would be great. For mostly inside, solo, trim work...Senco, Bostitch, and Dewalt would all be good. As I mentioned, I favor the design of the Dewalt (it won't tip over if you take a hard corner or hit a bump on some MT back road...or tug on the hose while working. I have never bothered with a filter and have never needed service on any of my air tools (except a POS PC 23 ga. with a bad driver). I am still dragging around a PC Pancake (it has been running hard for a dozen years--no problems)...however, I can't wait to go light and quiet and soon! For now, I keep the noisy PC as far away from me as possible and use a long hose and ear plugs.
I knew you were going to snipe about my reading the reviews in Amazon!
The difference between the MAC and Bostitch ratings was the MAC has 67 reviews, and the Bostitch has just 1. (Senco has 19, 4 stars like the MAC.) I don't just look at star numbers, though, i read all the reviews and many are from pros.
If i need to do any framing - that can't be done with Piffin screws - i'll load up the big one. And the ramp. And the tie-downs.
But the Senco sounds like it'll be sufficient for trim. I nailed just a bit of base last week, but i don't want to do it the old-fashioned way on any crown. Nice little feet, too.
Thanks, everybody!
Didn't mean to snipe...was just speculating about why the Bostitch would have a better rating when I would guess the MAC is a better gadget.Sounds like the Senco is a good choice for you. Let us know how you like it if you get one.
Snipe? Not at all...just a little goose. (Here we go again with our biological punning...)I just ordered the Senco from ToolUp, $125 delivered. I have the trim on my own solarium and entryway to do soon, so i'll file the report when i break it in on that.Thanks oodles for the help. Glad i hijacked this thread!
25 an hour for a handy(wo)men in NY?
You really ought to just double that right off the bat
Good thing i'm living in Montana, where we can eat the scenery, eh?
I picked the $25 number bec two women i know paid that for handymen to come to their houses. One person is happy with hers; the other one fired her alcoholic bum. I don't really need the work, so it's a high number for here, where "flag-girl" on a road crew is one of the better-paying gigs in the summertime for a woman.
I'm now working for a woman who pre-paid a guy over $2000 to pour a couple small pads in front of the doorways. He did one 4x4, lopsided and terrribly rough, and skedaddled, leaving his shovels and wheelbarrow, months ago. She thought the fact that he left his shiny-cheap tools meant he would come back to finish. Hmmm...
When i told this last woman my hourly pric and said i would work T&M, she thought it was god-awful high, but said if that's what it cost, that's what it cost. Now i've spent three days working on her place, she's got a list of other work for me. I'm laying carpet this next week!
If my area is any indication, there would be a pretty enormous market for working in women's homes. I get a lot of feedback from women who are so out of their depth, and so often taken by a con. The common factor has been that the tradesman wishes to be paid up front, before work starts. The women don't know any better, and then they have no leverage.
I've always avoided working inside other people's homes, but as long as i can do this by word of mouth and don't have to go in cold...this isn't so bad.
dg.. most of the time i don't want dust collection. because i don't want to be tethered
Most of my power tools have dust collection and I've never had a problem "untethering" the hose :)
however.. my EZ is set up on a PC saw with a dust port.. and we hook it up to our Fein auto-vac.. the same vac we use with our PC wall sander
We've tried the PC and found that it makes a very poor dust collector. We're going to try the Hilti 267 next. But if the PC is sufficient for your needs, nothing wrong with that. Everybody has different needs.
DG
Don't worry Dino...when I get my hands on that Gary Katz I'll take him by the ears like this and I'll shake the saw dust outta his eyes...bite me Gary Katz!
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Luckily, I my face is hidden behind some red flowers. I'd hate to get beat up by the Festooligans.I wish I had a reason; my flaws are open season
You hadn't discovered the garage at that point.
Think ya used enough dynamite there, Butch?
But the first reason I would buy the Festool is that the owner hasn't spammed any forum I read. I do understand that Dino is a small-time guy trying to make it, but his aggressive style just turns me off.
Dino was defending his product from a devoted festoolian
david
Edited 3/2/2007 10:30 pm ET by davidwood
My guess is you didn't read the November 2005 JLC where Gary Katz tested the EZ Guide and table. He gave a positive review of both.
Your right, I didnt read it, didnt know about it. If I had known about it I still wouldnt have read it.
I question someone like Katz because he's hawking tools all the time, seems like a salesmen for the tools that he recomends. My guess is he's a paid advertiser, not that he would acknowledge it nor does he need to but thats why his word on tools has no value to me. He can say anything he wants to about the tools but my guess is that if brand X is paying you, you dont diss brand X! I'd do the same damn thing, if I could only get one of these companies to shell over the dough.
I put very little, actually no value in tool reviews. I dont need one guy to tell me that a tool is either good or bad, I have 100 carpenters around me that I can find out that info.
I've been maintaining for years that FWW, FHB, AmWW, and any other mag get rid of the tool reviews. My opinion and obviously its not in the majority, is that the only thing good about a tool review in these mags is the nice pictures. You have one person test 7 different jigsaws and because he doesnt like the feel in his hand or the tool changing mechanism then the tool gets relegated to second string. But maybe John Doe does like the feel? Then what, his opinion doesnt matter? How can anybody read a review by one person and make a decision based on that. Why dont you just go down to the local Lowes and ask the guy in the tool department? Same damn thing in my opinion.
If I absolutely needed one I'd probably buy the Festool because the saw has dust collection and I do work on occupied houses.
There is no question that the Festool has an excellent dust collection system. I work in occupied houses as well and even if I could gaurantee that each and every particle of dust was going to be picked up I would never cut in someones house. I wouldnt put up with anybody working for me doing it either. But I do take notice of the dust collection system, and it is certainly something to consider.
I run the Hilti 167 on my EZ, I have a 267 but I need to send it to Dino to have him mount it on a base. The two saws are very different. I think the 167 is a copy of or made by PC and although its a good saw its not the 267. I wasnt even aware that Hilti had a system.
I wont get into the war on these tools cause it always ends the same way. The only reason that I even got into this discussion is because of the tool review thing. Katz is a salesmen, plain and simple.
Doug
I wasnt even aware that Hilti had a system.
The Hilti 267 has a slot on the bottom. It runs on the Hilti track, which is identical to the Festool track. You can run the 267 on the Festool track and the Festool on the Hilti track. That according to my Hilti rep. Have not verified it.
DG
Yea I see the slot but never made a conection to it being part of a guide system.
I know that Dino has something that he does to the 267 to make it work on the EZ but I just havent gotten it out in the mail, should of had it delivered to him in the first place but that would have been thinking ahead!
Doug
Doug.
Bosch worm drive with dust collection on the ez Bridge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3I4bg4jjtz8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKmIxFNhIN8&mode=related&search=
Enjoy.
david
Edited 3/3/2007 12:04 am ET by davidwood
I hate worm drives!
I use a 167 Hilti now but I went out and bought the 267, I just need to get it to Dino to upgrade/modify it.
Doug
Doug,I do think Bosch sponsors some of Gary Katz JLC Live sessions and he may have other sponsors that furnish tools he uses in his sessions (Kreg Pocket Hole stuff, Collins Coping Foot) or provide "give aways" he hands out to the audience (Stabila levels, etc.).That said, Katz does not seem to give too much attention to his sponsors (other than using their stuff in his demos), Most of the tools he uses seem to sell themselves. If anything he is selling his own books and DVD's, but he is pretty low key about even that.I dislike pushy sales people, but I like Katz. I think his seminars, articles, books, etc. are generally helpful to trim carpenters, especially those new the the trades (but who want to learn better ways of doing things).I really don't think he pushes Festool (he used a Bosch table saw in the seminars I attended).OK...full disclosure...I really like Katz because he gave me a Stabila level. :o)
Edited 3/3/2007 12:03 am ET by basswood
I'm sorry but you'll never see me praying at the alter of Katz. I just dont see it!
There are a lot of ways to push a tool/product without making it obvious, its called a good salesmen.
(but who want to learn better ways of doing things).
I do that everyday with people that have never heard of Gary Katz!
I really don't think he pushes....
A lot of ways to push a product without actually looking like it, I respectfully disagree with you.
Doug
hey ... com'mon Doug ...
but Gary can write lotsa articles in fancy magazines on how to hang a door ...
really quickly!
and that's gotta be better!
who cares if they swing right a year later!
dammit man ... straighten up!
or how to run crown ... wrong! (that may be a fair statement, but I forget what he said that pissed me off once, so I can't back it up .. but he did piss me off!)
anyhoo ... I don't have either system.
and I'm still pretty sure I'm buying the Festool deal.
talk me out of it.
seriously ...
I looked at both ...
have no hand-on with either ...
but I like the fact the festool has a dedicated saw.
and fater reading that crap from JLC ... well ... cutting a door is kinda important.
but mostly it'll be cab stock and such ... 3/4 ....
on the flip side ... could care less how hard Dino pushes ... if it's better ... I'll buy.
Jeff
btw ... Katz annoys me as much as any other "author" ... no more, no less
wouldn't have Larry Haun frame anything for me either. Not impressed by speed.
Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Jeff
My use of the festool is very limited.
I've built a couple sets of cabinets out of the EZ now.
The dedicated saw is one of the reasons that I dont like Festool, try using that thing by itself. I know you have others saws so that may not be of importance to you.
The cost is another thing, I can do everything the Festool does with my system and do it for less. I guess thats another reason. I'm looking to buy the best that I can but not necessarily pay the most.
Doug
the dedicated saw and dust control are actually two big sellers for me.
I have a big trim job coming up soon ... and may finally have the excuse to go ahead and buy one. Probably would use it for triming doors ... but so far a sharp new blade and freehand-following the utility knife mark has got me thru life ... I over came door-cutting anxiety long ago ... not sure I'd wanna go back to over complicating things.
for me and my limited/nonshop/on site work spaces ... making cabs would be the usual project. I'll be sure to review it if and when.
Jeff Buck Construction
Artistry In Carpentry
Pittsburgh Pa
Doug,I tell people about tools and techniques I use and like all the time...I'm sure it annoys some people (and I don't have any sponsors--waitaminute!--maybe we should get paid for endorsing products. ;o) )I could go to work in a NASCAR style jump suit with Logos and Brand names all over it. That could be an idea for another thread: What sponsors names would you be wearing?Anyway, I do think Katz helps to improve trim carpentry as a profession. IMO he has become a prominent figure because there has been a demand for "continuing education" for trim carps. It is a big void to fill with few good votech programs and apprenticeship almost a thing of the past. Taunton and JLC publications and forums are still very valuable to me (and I'm a "know-it-all").You are at or beyond most of what Katz is teaching and certainly have many ways of doing things that are different or even better...so I'm not suprised that you have little use for what he offers. On sponsosrship...it really is doubtful that he has any link to Festool...his shows are sooo heavy on Bosch tools (direct competition with Festool). In fact, if he says good things about Festool (and who wouldn't), it means the Bosch support has not required a gag order with respect to other vendors.Have a good weekend--nice to argue with you <g>,Bass
Whoever started the name calling, Dino could be an adult. I do not own either set up but I know I would really have a very difficult time buying anything from Dino because of his attitude and sales approach. If someone says his system is ok but they think the festool is better Dino gets very pushy and starts with the stuff about they don't know what they are talking about, etc. People have different opinions but Dino only is happy if it is his. He needs to relax and stop ticking people off if they disagree with him.
If someone says his system is ok but they think the festool is better Dino gets very pushy and starts with the stuff about they don't know what they are talking about, etc
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And The Beat Goes On
There are a few things that come into play when festool begins to roll out a new product; the banter picks up its pace, the club flies its flag a little higher and the drooling starts. We see it each time.Well, one time in recent history, a band of unruly free thinking types did not bow to the green hype. They did not bend under the green club peer pressure. They actually stood up and proclaimed, "There's an EZ'r way".Club green refuted any attempt of anybody being able to do the same things they were offering unless you had your membership card.EZ people began to say, "We don't need no stinkin' cards". This is when the war started. Not because we wanted to start a fight, but because we would not back down from a fight. The ongoing result looks different to every observer and each will have at least one opinion.And that's the way it EEZ.RB
Your point?I don't own any festool products. What fight? That's what Dino is about. If you don't agree then its a fight rather than a difference in opinion. I can call your wife fat and she'll be less sensitive than Dino with his products. He needs to relax and take a deep breath.
I know I would really have a very difficult time buying anything from Dino because of his attitude and sales approach.
Then dont! Very simple
I see you make the same comments every time the subject comes up. Its obvious that you dont care for Dinos "tactics" and you vocalized it.
I like Dino, have talked to him a dozen or so times when I've had concerns/questions about the product, he's always givin his time freely and I appreciate that. He's different then Festools top man and I like that.
Doug
Best of luck to you."I see you make the same comments every time the subject comes up. Its obvious that you dont care for Dinos "tactics" and you vocalized it."I think your confusing me with someone else, I get bored by the ez festool arguements and find them waste of time, so I tend to avoid the threads. I probably would never buy the ez because of Dino and his tactics. Dino is just hyper sensitive and it really turns people off. Your experience has been fine with him but look at how many people who do not own festool products who say similar things about Dino as I have. He does not just turn off the festool buyers, he turns off quite a few people.
Perhaps i should apologize.I didn't want to start or re-ignite an arguement. My sole purpose was to point out what was what I thought was deception on Greg DiBernardo's part. I felt like he was acting like he had to part with his best girl, and he wanted to give the users of this forum the first opportunity.I think it is safe to say that he thinks the users here aren't as 'something' as those at JLCOnline. However, I do go there as often as here, but I don't contribute much to either. I'm more here to learn, and you gentlemen are far superior to me in the quality and quantity of work, so I would rather look and read than proving myself the fool that I am.DDay posted the link for the JLC thread for last years debate of EZ vs. Festool. In it, near the begining, Greg DiBerbardo was all over the EZ, like a dog humping a leg. Yet, this year, it's a piece of crap he could only get rid of to the suckers at Breaktime.I've never used either system but, it seems to me that if the EZ doesn't cut through a 1-3/8 door, it has a distinct disadvantage in my purchasing decision. But I will check that out personally when I have the money to buy one of them.I really wanted to go to JLC Live this month, but my friends don't think it is worthwhile, so no one to go with, and I really shouldn't spend the money right now. However, if I haven't pissed everyone off by turning this thread into a small war, I would be thrill to have drinks or dinner with some of you when I do make it to Rhode Island.Perhaps next year.And no, I did not say I was buying.Glenn
but my friends don't think it is worthwhile
They've been to one?A great place for Information, Comraderie, and a sucker punch.
Remodeling Contractor just outside the Glass City.
http://www.quittintime.com/
Of course not!How could that possibly pertain to the discussion at hand?Yes, Calvin, that odor is the distinct smell of sarcasm.Glenn
With a 7 1/4" blade, you can cut a 1 3/8" door with the EZ, an exterior 1 3/4" door needs 2 passes... Outside of the gates the trucks were unloadin',
The weather was hot, a-nearly 90 degrees.
The man standin' next to me, his head was exploding,
Well, I was prayin' the pieces wouldn't fall on me.
I like to use 7-1/4" blades. Better selection for less$$$.
One of the ez features is that it can be use as an edge guide
for deeper cuts with antichip protection.
If you only trim exterior doors for living, the 8-1/4" saw is the better choice.
A 15 amp crcular saw with 1500- 2200 amps can trim solid hardwood 1-3/4"doors very ez. I like to see the same door trimmed with a 10 amp saw.
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Remember the thread started at JLC by Lou? It was an F- Con
Read between the lines. From the F-Club.
I got a chance to use a Hilti 267 not that long ago. One of my subs was actually given one why by the Hilti rep he deals with (he spends tons of money on Hilti fasteners every year). Make no mistake, its an excellent saw. Certainly a big step up from the typical Bosch, Dewalt, Milwaukee, PC versions that are sold by the truck load here in the US. It lacks the refinement of the Festool saw though. The Hilti is more powerful, but like I said above, its probably overkill. The better DC, the plunge feature, the variable speed and constant speed under load make the Festool an overall better saw IMO. FWIW, my sub likes my Festool better too.
The Hilti E 267 offers all that and more. takes regular7-1/4" US blades and it was designed for dual use. On and Off the rails. Try to use the Festool of the rails.
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The TS55 is certainly a good bit less powerful than the typical circular saws sold in the US. Most of the ones worth buying, are 13 amps or more, while the TS55 is only 10 amps. Having said that, the TS55 really doesn't lack power (keep in mind I've been using a 13 amp worm drive for most of my adult life). It may seem that way to someone that is used to using a 13 amp saw. Keep in mind, the TS55 is not a tool that was intended to be used for rough framing (though you could do that if you really wanted to). For sheet goods, 4/4 hardwood etc. its all you'll ever need. If you want to rip thick hardwood with it, you're better off putting a Panther blade (or the General Purpose blade) on it for that purpose. With the correct blade, it'll cut anything you want it to. I use mine almost every day for lots of different tasks. I've never had an issue where I felt it needed more power. That includes cutting down 1-3/4" oak and mahogany doors (IMO, that's the thing where it really shines the most, blows the competition away). You do have to slow down your cut rate just a little bit, but any time that is lost in slowing down the saw is easily recovered in setup time and cleanup time. I think most people that say the TS55 is underpowered just don't have a lot of experience with the saw. There's a small adjustment period involved with using it, that's it.
david.
"crcular saw with 1500- 2200 amps "WOW!!!!!!Even the 2 man, 3 phase 22" timberframing circual saw does not use that much power..
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A-holes. Hey every group has to have one. And I have been elected to be the one. I should make that my tagline.
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Amps
15.0 Amps
Max Watts Out
2,200 W
No Load Speed
5,800 rpm
Bevel Capacity
56 Degrees
Bevel Stops
45° / 22.5°
Rear Pivot
N/A
Electric Brake
Yes
Blade Diameter
7-1/4 "
Depth Of Cut At 90 Degrees
2-3/8 "
Depth Of Cut At 45 Degrees
1-3/4 "
Tool Weight
9.8 lbs
Correction. 15 Amps. 2200 Watts
david
glen..... couple things
where do you live ?
2d thing.. EZ will cut thru a 1 3/8 door with any saw , while mounted on the rail..
here it is ripping thru a 1 3/4 exterior French door.. ($800 ).. in this setup we have an 8 1/4 Bosch saw for the setup
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3d.. you oughta come to JLC anyways.. you will see a lot of guys from BT wandering around dazed and confused
i'll be there with my crew... and you're welcome to join us for lunch at Angelo'sMike Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore
Mike,Over at JLC they badger about filling out profiles. Here a fair amount, also.Did mine the first day. Just having fun.Wanaque, NJ.I would love to go , mainly to take some seminars and learn something. But I don't think I can swing the $$ at this point.I do appreciate the offer and look forward to meeting some of you gentlemen someday.Glenn
Here's the link to the thread where Dino ticked people off. His sales approach is quite heavy handed and I think Gary was more than fair to him and others in the thread.http://forums.jlconline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30053&highlight=festool
Hello Greg, I'll take it. I'm sending you an email.
Thanks, Kimball
SOLD TO PETER RAWLINGS. HE ALREADY PAID.
Please no one else send money.
Thanks
Greg