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Facia nailing?

blownonfuel | Posted in Construction Techniques on February 2, 2009 05:39am

What do you guys usually use to attached 1x fascia (pine) to 2x sub fascia? 6d,8d,galavanized,ss,etc.

Thank as usual.

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  1. RedfordHenry | Feb 02, 2009 06:03pm | #1

    If hand nailing, I use an 8P galvy box nail.  If using my Makita coil nailer, it's a 2 and 3/8th" galvanized ring-shank nail.  I think that the coil nails are a bit shorter than an 8p box nail, but I haven't had anything fall off yet. 

    1. blownonfuel | Feb 02, 2009 06:30pm | #2

      Thank you Sir. So galv. either way?

      1. Piffin | Feb 02, 2009 06:45pm | #3

        any exterior nail should always be galvy or SS 

         

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        1. blownonfuel | Feb 02, 2009 06:50pm | #4

          Thanks Guys.

        2. blownonfuel | Feb 20, 2009 10:59pm | #8

          Hey Piffin do you use full headed nails for the fascia on finish nails?

          1. theslateman | Feb 20, 2009 11:01pm | #9

            Always use headed nails for exterior trim fastening.

          2. blownonfuel | Feb 20, 2009 11:02pm | #10

            Thanks. What about the scarf joints on the fascia? Do you just nail close to the joint?

          3. theslateman | Feb 20, 2009 11:06pm | #11

            If you're nailing by hand -blunt the point of the nail before using so it's less likely to split your piece, then nail within an inch and a half to two inched from the scarf joint.

          4. blownonfuel | Feb 20, 2009 11:08pm | #12

            Thanks.

          5. MikeSmith | Feb 20, 2009 11:29pm | #13

            we   use  8d  ss  siding  nails  for  our  trim...

             the  head  is  just  a little smaller  than  a framing  nail

            sometimes  we hand-nail.. some times  we  use  a coil  sider

            ring  shank  is  usual  too...

             Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

          6. frammer52 | Feb 20, 2009 11:37pm | #14

            We use 16guage finish nails and never had a problem.

            If hand nailing always liked Maze 8's galv.

          7. MikeSmith | Feb 21, 2009 12:50am | #16

            i've  replaced  a  lot  of  exterior  trim that  was  fastened  with finish  nails... either  the  nails  pull  out .....   or  the trim  pulls  off and  leaves   the  nail  behindMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

          8. Piffin | Feb 21, 2009 12:51am | #18

            or the nails rust off. 

             

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          9. Piffin | Feb 21, 2009 12:51am | #17

            "We use 16guage finish nails and never had a problem."Are you sure there is no problem?I get to repair a lot of loose trim that others have installed 8-12 years ago put on with finish nails. Maybe the callbacks just go to someone else. 

             

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          10. frammer52 | Feb 21, 2009 02:05am | #19

            Havedone on my own house and shed.  Never a problem yet!

          11. tomstruble | Feb 21, 2009 09:41pm | #23

            i have to agree headed nail always outside unless im using pvc trim then ill use the 15 ga trim gun

          12. frammer52 | Feb 21, 2009 09:54pm | #24

            I will tell all of you again.  I have had no trouble with 16guage finish gun on exterior trim.  I have had to remove this upon occassion, and I can tell you, it is hard to do.  Of course I use plenty of nails.  By the way these are galvanized with no chance of corroding.

          13. Piffin | Feb 21, 2009 10:02pm | #25

            "galvanized with no chance of corroding."Guess again!Finish nails out of a gun are elctro plated only and they do regularly rust. Just the friction of the gun driving them can scratch that minimal zinc off.
            Don't kid yourself. 

             

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          14. frammer52 | Feb 21, 2009 10:09pm | #26

            Well, I will again make the statement, I have never had a problem.  Probably run in excess of a mile of cedar, vinyl and pine facia, still waiting for the first problem relating from using the 16guage finish nails.

          15. Piffin | Feb 21, 2009 10:14pm | #28

            You're telling me that you run vinyl with a finish gun?!!!! 

             

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          16. frammer52 | Feb 21, 2009 10:23pm | #29

            azek

          17. Piffin | Feb 21, 2009 12:42am | #15

            I have never lived in a climate where a headless nail will hold exterior finish on. Fascia is the hardest.We use mostly ring shank stainless steel trimheaded nails. They are smaller heads and shanks than a framing 8d, but enough head to hold the wood on. 

             

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      2. RedfordHenry | Feb 02, 2009 07:18pm | #5

        Definitely galvy. If your budget allows, an 8p ss ring shank would be even better.

        1. blownonfuel | Feb 02, 2009 07:19pm | #6

          Thanks again.

          1. arcflash | Feb 03, 2009 02:29am | #7

            Second galvy 8Ds. You could get by with 15 gauge trim nails as well, the stainless flavors dont cost as much as stainless framing nails (but expensive either way--fastenerusa.com is a good source for pneumatic nails in all types of finishes for all types of guns), also, less likely to split butt ends. I've only personaly hung Miratec which requires a framing nail.

            Edited 2/2/2009 6:30 pm ET by arcflash

  2. ptp | Feb 21, 2009 03:38am | #20

    Maze ring shank splitless 8d nails.

  3. LIVEONSAWDUST | Feb 21, 2009 04:03am | #21

    Pine for exterior trim? In my area, I'm not sure it would last long enough to warrant any special nail like stainless.

    1. blownonfuel | Feb 21, 2009 06:05pm | #22

      Probably not in Michigan. But here in Texas it should do fine. What do you use for exterior trim btw?

      1. LIVEONSAWDUST | Feb 22, 2009 08:34am | #39

        I like either cedar or smart trim

  4. oops | Feb 21, 2009 10:12pm | #27

    This is to ALL. I'm not smart enough to Post it to ALL.

    It's been a while since I have  driven any nails, (just design um and draw um now days) but we used what we called an 8d casing head nail for 3/4" fascia and 16d casing head nail for 1&1/2" fascia. ( always galvanized of course). Although it looks similar to a finish nail,  it seemed to be a bit heftier than a finish nail. The head seemed a bit larger than a true finish nail. I don't know if this is because of the galvanizing or not. This may be what you are calling a finish nail. A finish nail is what we used for interior trim.

    I looked in one of my old reference books and it showed both casing nails and firnish nails as different and distinct nails, but did not note their specific differences as to diamenters, head size etc. It showed finish nails sizes 2d thru 20d and casing nails 2d thru 40d.

    Can you imagine what the interior trim would look like that required a 40d finish nail.

    It shows 48 different styles/types of nails with 20 different heads and 10 different points. This was an old 1980 publication of "Architectural Graphic Standards".

    I doubt that all of these type nails are still available. Did not even mention gun nails.

    1. Piffin | Feb 21, 2009 10:37pm | #30

      Not your imagination. The heads on a casing nail are larger than a finish nail. I used to hang a lot of doors with casing 16d 

       

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      1. oops | Feb 22, 2009 01:09am | #33

        Piffin. What do you use now? Oops

        1. MikeSmith | Feb 22, 2009 01:12am | #34

          what's  the  current  edition ?

          wonder  if  it's   worth  having  with  all  the  stuff  we  have  on -line  now Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

          1. oops | Feb 22, 2009 01:53am | #35

            The edition I am currently use is the 9th edition published in 1994. I paid $210.00 for it. I'm sure that there is more up to date info. in the newer additions. I don't remember what the cost of a more current edition is, but the last time I thought about getting one, I just remember that when I saw the price, I had a fainting spell.

            Depending on just what you do (couldn't tell by your profile) can't say if it would be worth it or not. I know that in my design build business, I gotten my money's worth many times over. The amount of information is great. I was even able to used it to do a Little League Baseball field for my Optimist Club.

          2. MikeSmith | Feb 22, 2009 02:00am | #36

            i  have  the  6th  edition and  the 7th  edition....  and  Time Saver Standards (4th  ed.)

            but   almost  all the   information is  pretty  much   the  same 

            and  the  codes  are  usually  prescriptive......

             Mike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

        2. Piffin | Feb 22, 2009 05:31am | #37

          Which graphics standards?There is this guy named Palladio...Oops - SS siding nails, ringers 

           

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        3. Piffin | Feb 22, 2009 05:33am | #38

          Boy did I get lost on that sidecar....For hanging ext doors now I use trimhead screws from GRK 

           

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    2. MikeSmith | Feb 22, 2009 12:08am | #31

      heck....

      <<<This was an old 1980 publication of "Architectural Graphic Standards".>>>

      that's  not old.....my  6th  edition  is  from  1970

      when  i  started  we   could  still   buy nails in  wooden  kegsMike Hussein Smith Rhode Island : Design / Build / Repair / Restore

      1. oops | Feb 22, 2009 01:07am | #32

        MikeSmith. I had a 1954 edition. Unfortunately, in a careless non-thinking moment, I gave it away about four years ago. Regretted ever since.  Oops

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