FALL PROTECTION – harness that work?
FALL PROTECTION – harness that work?
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The world of fall protection has caught up with me – a bunch of roofs.
Any recommendations on harnesses that you can work comfortably in?
Don’t really like the doggy leash attached to the back. Climbers tie on on the front and have for decades.
The ToolBear
“Never met a man who couldn’t teach me something.” Anon.
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Petzl makes some nice harnesses...light and comfy:
http://www.bartlettman.com/index2.html
Petzl makes some nice harnesses...light and comfy:@@@Tree guys have all sorts of neat stuff. I am trying to find the Samson Rope arborist catalog. Round here somewhere. It was full of interesting stuff.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
Here is a harness made by Guardian that is gaining popularity. It is similar to the Miller Revolution. But the Guardian Harness comes with a Hydration Pouch. It is located inside the back pad of the harnesse. You can put a cool pack in for the summer and a heat pack in for the winter.
http://www.snugharness.com/Harnesses/Universal-Harnesses/Guardian-Edge-Series-Construction-Harness/
Luke, I don't know about the harness but the writer for the ad could have replaced the gag writers in Hollywood during the recent strike. Funny stuff there! (Harness does look good though.)
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
Ha. Yeah. I actually work for the website so he is my co-worker. He is a stand up comedian/marketer. The videos on the website are all of him. Never a dull moment at work!
The harness comes in 5 different color variations as well.
-Luke-
Ha. Yeah. I actually work for the website so he is my co-worker. He is a stand up comedian/marketer. The videos on the website are all of him. Never a dull moment at work!@@@Tell him I enjoyed the compliance in a can video. Will have to look for more.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
Take a look at our harness video as well. Always good for a laugh!
http://www.snugharness.com/pg-13-harness-video.php/
RE - harness video...Yes, saw that. Seems based on true life experiences. I drug one home tonight so the wife could assist in sorting out the straps. At least this one is my size - the butt strap goes under the butt, not the small of the back. A smaller member of the crew now has that one.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
also might want to look at sail boat harnesses, I used one and they are not that bad
It takes studs to build a house
Not on an OSHA inspected job site you won't. Harnesses for construction have to meet the OSHA guide lines and be tagged as such.
They can't get your Goat if you don't tell them where it is hidden.
I found this site.Their movie on the bucket of compliance is a hoot and worth a look.<http://www.snugharness.com/Roofing-Kits/Guardian-Roofers-Bucket-of-Safety/>The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
I have to wear what is provided, usually Miller, but you may as well read this while you are waiting for other replies
http://www.cdc.gov/eLCOSH/docs/d0500/d000568/d000568.html
it covers dying while suspended in a harness
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I have to wear what is provided, usually Miller, but you may as well read this while you are waiting for other replies@@@Yes, I saw that. Climbers have the same problem. They have a stirrup of webbing. Put foot in, stand up.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
that stirrup is not provided probably because there is all sorts of things to get snagged on anyway.
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that stirrup is not provided probably because there is all sorts of things to get snagged on anyway@@@Can I just tie a nice bowline? Probably not. OSHA have hissy fit.Looking at my colleagues' knots... it would seem most cannot tie a knot worth a damn. Starts at the shoe level.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
" Can I just tie a nice bowline?"sounds like a new thread topic !!!!!!I don't think tying something to the harness would fly on the jobs I work on.
but that's not to say it wouldn't work.
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A bowline is very safe and eliminates another component in the rigging. Less chance for a failure or mistake.The bowline can also be tied in about one second and with just one hand, if you are practiced.
A sailor friend showed me the one handed version , but I've forgotten it. I'll have to ask for a refreher course when I see him again.
It seems like you have to be a contortionist the first few times you attempt the one-handed bowline. Then with practice, it becomes rather easy. Getting the proper size loop that you pull your hand back through is the key.
Thank you very much, I'm going to practice and master this!
Walter
Here's an animated version that shows how easy it really is:http://www.animatedknots.com/bowlineonehand/index.php?LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.comThis is a great web site, by the way.Rebeccah
That is cool.My method is slightly different, but the result is the same.
That is a neat site. Will recommend it to the boys. (Meanwhile, that one handed bowline they show was ended in an overhand knot, not the half hitch promised.)The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
making a bowline is not the problem..it's attaching it to a full body harness..I was trying to point out that the mfrs. would have supplied one if they needed it.kinda like drilling holes in your hard hat for ventilationI have to go through a safety briefing/ video on every job ...and there has never been ANY discussion about what to do if somebody should fall or the danger in letting them dangleI will say that I have never heard of anyone falling WITH a harness...but there have been many serious falls in the past.
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The bowline can easily tie in to any harness, nothing to it.
you altering the function of the harness... since there is NO point of attachment for a makeshift stirrup.
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Several companies make foot loops to take the strain if you fnd yourself suspended. Here's a link to one.
http://www.millerfallprotection.com/fall-protection-products/accessories/relief-step-safety-device
Of course, a a small self-retracting lifeline (inertia reel) usually stops you before you fall far enough that you end up suspended.
The total fall distance when you are using a shock-absorbing lanyard can be huge.Amateurs talk strategy, Generals talk logistics.
Long as we're on the subject, I bought one a couple years ago and never took it out of the can.Cost about $150 new - anyone want it for $85 shipped?Here's a pic - I just don't see myself being up on many roofs and it's overkill for standing on a 6' ladder.Julian
that's it, a product specific for the purpose...and if a shock absorbing lanyard is used the max distance FROM the point of attachment TO the anchorage point is the length of the lanyard plus 12.5 feet, if you don't have that distance, then a SR lifeline must be used..and the achorage point must be able to hole 5000#
unless you're in Michigan, then it is 5400#.
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--" you altering the function of the harness... since there is NO point of attachment for a makeshift stirrup"That is just silly. In the event of a fall, or other precarious situation, I would not hesitate to tie a stirrup into a harness, or better yet into the safety line with a prusik knot for ascending.I always keep a small pouch with a webbing sling or two and a 20' piece of 5.5 mm Spectra line. Whip that stuff out and tie my way out of all kinds of binds.I used to teach rock climbing and was a licensed tree climbing arborist. I don't view a harness as just fall protection...it is a tool. There are plenty of ways to safely tie into a harness.
it may be silly to you bass, and I see your point but the safety folks in the steel mills, refineries and powerhouses. take a dim view of "altering" safety equipment to suit an individuals tastes.. about the only thing we can do is cut the ear plugs off of the little plastic cord, and write our names on glovesI personally have no problem adhering to plant policy .....or I can go look for another job.
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I have to go through a safety briefing/ video on every job ...and there has never been ANY discussion about what to do if somebody should fall or the danger in letting them dangle
I will say that I have never heard of anyone falling WITH a harness...but there have been many serious falls in the past
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Rescue and Retrieval is going to be one of OSHA's main focuses in '08'. I recently attended and OSHA training class and they pointed out that if a person were to fall with the proper fall protection on. You may only have a total of 15 minutes to save the fall victim. And that is if the individual is in fairly good shape. Fall Protection manufacturers are going to have a section in their catalogs dedicated to Rescue & Retrieval if they don't already. SafeWaze has manufactured a retractable that in the event of a fall will lower you to the ground at a rate of 3ft per second. Therefore saving yourself.
well that is very good news, I have asked about "intolerance" and retrieval on past jobs, only to be told....... " it has not been a problem""our ER will respond quickly enough"
"don't know what you're talking about"the last two answers were at a nuke..I have had to wear a lifeline only twice, those things usually go to erectors.....carps or the ironheads.
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Yeah. You hear that all the time. Its Human Nature to wait to fix something until it is broken instead of doing all you can to prevent it from breaking in the first place.
Thanks for the Heads Up....and Welcome to Breaktime glad to have you here , I hope you stick around, if you do perhaps you would fill out your profile ?.
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I don't think tying something to the harness would fly on the jobs I work on.
but that's not to say it wouldn't work@@@ It would be OSHA-Naughty, but it would work. Climbed enough things with bowlines.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
I found the best I could deal with is the Miller Revolution. It has snap on and off bags, both Bull bags and tool/nail bags, hammer holder loop, cellphone, water bottle, and utilty pouch.
3 d-rings..BUT if you use the side rings, you must use BOTH OSHA won't allow a side connection to the bungee.
I also have some spare connectors to modify any other tool holder to work with thier snap on system. and the belt will also acccept any brand of pouch , and can be mounted more or less permanently.
Orr Safty is where I ordered mine, kinda hard to find elsewhere.
all told, maybe 400.00 spent. beats a 10K fine all to hell tho'. Or life in a diaper.
Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"
3 d-rings..BUT if you use the side rings, you must use BOTH OSHA won't allow a side connection to the bungee.@@@Makes sense. There is probably a yoke for that. I'll look.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
Save yerself a world of headaches and getthe retractable reel for the life line, if yer into this for the long haul....esp if more than one guy is on the roof and yer moving around...twisted up LL is a real nightmare.Spheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"
Save yerself a world of headaches and getthe retractable reel for the life line, if yer into this for the long haul.@@@Boss has five of the yo-yos. We have a pair of them on this job.Harnesses - new guy is a head smaller than moi and swapping harnesses is downtime of fiddling with buckles, adjustments, etc. I want something I can put on and go.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
The revolution has fast buckles, I like them over the cheapy cinch adjusters.
Oh..it is a BIG harness I am 6'4 and slim and have it about as small as it will go...tails of the webs flapping and all that. Not bad in winter gear, but kinda doofy looking in summer attire.
Black=hot, moderatly heavy even with empty bags. I've started calling it the 100.oo$ an hour belt..if I haveta wear it, I want 100.00 an hour..LOLSpheramid Enterprises Architectural Woodworks
"Success is not spontaneous combustion, you have to set yourself on Fire"
I also have some spare connectors to modify any other tool holder to work with thier snap on system. and the belt will also acccept any brand of pouch , and can be mounted more or less permanently.@@@I was wondering which of my Oxy bags could work here. I think the barrel bags might get a try-out.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
What goes thru my mind on this sort of Q or subject is that I have known a lot of guys who have survived falls with no protection and have stories to tell.
But I've never heard from anyone who has spent time danglng or been stopped juust short of the edge. that is where the rubber meets the road
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But I've never heard from anyone who has spent time danglng or been stopped juust short of the edge. that is where the rubber meets the road.@@@Had a number of falls in my rock climbing days. These often are more interesting as you start above your protection - which you really, really hope remains in place and working. Done the dangle. Step one - stand in the stirrup, which removes pressure on chest. If need be, prussik or Jumar back up.We tried to get away from the rock on the way down. Easier on a top rope. If it's not working, you tell the belayer (Falling!!!) and depart under somewhat controlled conditions, then get back on the route and try again.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
Are you an employee or a sole prop. ?
I own my own show so I can wear a sit harness like Basswood's link shows- but I couldn't let an employee wear it. Something like Sphere showed would be something they would wear
Are you an employee or a sole prop. ? A loyal worker of MGC.Have to look at the sit harness for the boat. Doing the mast in a bosun's chair has positives and negatives.The ToolBear
"Never met a man who couldn't teach me something." Anon.
That doggy leash is an itegral part of the fall protection system. The tether is sewn together in such a way that if you do fall, it will tear out and arrest your fall slowly--so you don't get jerked badly.
Also, it's got a clasp at each end that makes it easy to clip in and out of when you're headed up and down the ladder. The whole system will also come with a rope and a rope grab--the thing that lets you set the length of your tether easily--just slide it up as you go.
I think it's a lot better to have it behind you also; it's not in your way. I got a whole setup last summer and wouldn't do it any other way.